Re: Newbie trying again/position important?/flush for a child?

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave

Thanks for all the info and encouraging comments. It's a relief

(metaphorically and hopefully literally) to know I might not have to

take all the epsom salts. I will experiment to get the right

amount. My bowel tends to react in extremes - too much

diarrohea/irritation and it goes into 'shock' and doesn't move for

days - kind of a vicious cycle.

Can I ask you, or the others, another couple of questions please? Is

the position important? The different recipes say either lying on

your back, walking around, or on your front with your right leg drawn

up. What's your experience?

Has anyone done the flush for a child? My son, , is just 10

and has colitis and ADHD. I am sure the root of his problem is the

same as mine. (We have both been seeing improvements in our

digestion since doing small things to help the liver/gallbladder, eg

milk thsitle, dandelion, apple juice, tablespoon of olive oil + lemon

juice in the morning. This is in addition to doing the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet - no starch, no sugar basically).

I always use myself as a 'guinea pig' first, but am even more nervous

on Ben's account. Children aren't supposed to fast, are they? (plus

he's usually hungry!). Would I need to observe the same timings?

That would be difficult as he goes to bed at 7 and needs lots of

sleep. And would I need to say halve the amount of epsoms salts, oil

and juice, do you think?

I'd be grateful for any opinions even if you don't have personal

experience. I couldn't find anything on curezone about this.

THANK YOU!

W

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS. The

purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to the

actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free movement of

crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush. Any

form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great also

and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it for

fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated. In

terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You could

always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior, perform

another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis is

not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the risk

of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is also

a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action and

irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a crap

shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god point

with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <mailto:suju41@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> Subject: Newbie trying again

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one

knows

> whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY

> grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

>

> Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

mag

> malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

recommended?

>

> Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

cleanse, ie

> evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

the

> Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

tolerate

> much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

rested

> all night?

>

> W

> colitis/CFS

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:suju41@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:45 AM

Subject: Re: Newbie trying again/position important?/flush for a

child?

We are probably going to end up with a huge " discussion " on this one but here

goes... The lie on the left theory is to relieve physical pressure on the

gallbladder so that the flow cannot be impinged. The lie on the right is to put

pressure on the gallbladder to assist removal. The lie on the back is to just

leave it alone. They all seem to work at times. If you wake up on your head do

not feel guilty for being in the wrong position.

His " condition " will definitely be related to yours. It can be either

constitutional (hereditary), environmental (diet, lifestyle, emotional

environment), or sympathetic ( " spiritual " connection and concern), or most

likely some combination of the above. I would be very judicious about flushing

a 10 year old. The root of the colitis in both of you, ADHD, CFS are more

important to me. You are both very sensitive and emotional beings. " Grounding "

and calming down the sympathetic nervous system would be my first priority in

both. Are you both overweight? Do you both get plenty of exercise?

Because the other symptoms can be caused by or associated with

Gallbladder problems does not mean there is a direct cause and effect, though

they will all be related. Since gallbladder conditions can cause a myriad of

other symptoms it often gets blamed for them. More as we continue. -Dave

Hi Dave

Thanks for all the info and encouraging comments. It's a relief

(metaphorically and hopefully literally) to know I might not have to

take all the epsom salts. I will experiment to get the right

amount. My bowel tends to react in extremes - too much

diarrohea/irritation and it goes into 'shock' and doesn't move for

days - kind of a vicious cycle.

Can I ask you, or the others, another couple of questions please? Is

the position important? The different recipes say either lying on

your back, walking around, or on your front with your right leg drawn

up. What's your experience?

Has anyone done the flush for a child? My son, , is just 10

and has colitis and ADHD. I am sure the root of his problem is the

same as mine. (We have both been seeing improvements in our

digestion since doing small things to help the liver/gallbladder, eg

milk thsitle, dandelion, apple juice, tablespoon of olive oil + lemon

juice in the morning. This is in addition to doing the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet - no starch, no sugar basically).

I always use myself as a 'guinea pig' first, but am even more nervous

on Ben's account. Children aren't supposed to fast, are they? (plus

he's usually hungry!). Would I need to observe the same timings?

That would be difficult as he goes to bed at 7 and needs lots of

sleep. And would I need to say halve the amount of epsoms salts, oil

and juice, do you think?

I'd be grateful for any opinions even if you don't have personal

experience. I couldn't find anything on curezone about this.

THANK YOU!

W

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS. The

purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to the

actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free movement of

crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush. Any

form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great also

and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it for

fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated. In

terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You could

always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior, perform

another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis is

not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the risk

of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is also

a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action and

irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a crap

shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god point

with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <mailto:suju41@...>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> Subject: Newbie trying again

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one

knows

> whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY

> grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

>

> Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

mag

> malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

recommended?

>

> Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

cleanse, ie

> evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

the

> Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

tolerate

> much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

rested

> all night?

>

> W

> colitis/CFS

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I read that people should lie on their right side with knees drawn up during the

last stage of a flush, so that's what I did. As to your son, it really sounds

like something is amiss in his (and maybe your) diet. I suggest you sign up for

that free newsletter I wrote about and learn more about how to help yourself.

Go to www.knowthecause.com and sign up. Read the website, watch the TV show if

you can get it. Or look at the archived shows on the site.

Amber

Can I ask you, or the others, another couple of questions please? Is

the position important? The different recipes say either lying on

your back, walking around, or on your front with your right leg drawn up.

What's your experience?

My son, , is just 10

and has colitis and ADHD.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I wouldn't try it on a 10 year old. Children need a healthy balanced diet in

order for the growth plates in the their bones to continue growing. Otherwise,

they could stop and fuse with the bone and he would be forever the height he is

now.

<suju41@...> wrote: Hi Dave

Thanks for all the info and encouraging comments. It's a relief

(metaphorically and hopefully literally) to know I might not have to

take all the epsom salts. I will experiment to get the right

amount. My bowel tends to react in extremes - too much

diarrohea/irritation and it goes into 'shock' and doesn't move for

days - kind of a vicious cycle.

Can I ask you, or the others, another couple of questions please? Is

the position important? The different recipes say either lying on

your back, walking around, or on your front with your right leg drawn

up. What's your experience?

Has anyone done the flush for a child? My son, , is just 10

and has colitis and ADHD. I am sure the root of his problem is the

same as mine. (We have both been seeing improvements in our

digestion since doing small things to help the liver/gallbladder, eg

milk thsitle, dandelion, apple juice, tablespoon of olive oil + lemon

juice in the morning. This is in addition to doing the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet - no starch, no sugar basically).

I always use myself as a 'guinea pig' first, but am even more nervous

on Ben's account. Children aren't supposed to fast, are they? (plus

he's usually hungry!). Would I need to observe the same timings?

That would be difficult as he goes to bed at 7 and needs lots of

sleep. And would I need to say halve the amount of epsoms salts, oil

and juice, do you think?

I'd be grateful for any opinions even if you don't have personal

experience. I couldn't find anything on curezone about this.

THANK YOU!

W

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS. The

purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to the

actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free movement of

crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush. Any

form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great also

and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it for

fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated. In

terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You could

always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior, perform

another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis is

not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the risk

of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is also

a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action and

irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a crap

shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god point

with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <mailto:suju41@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> Subject: Newbie trying again

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one

knows

> whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY

> grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

>

> Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

mag

> malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

recommended?

>

> Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

cleanse, ie

> evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

the

> Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

tolerate

> much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

rested

> all night?

>

> W

> colitis/CFS

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the science behind the position, Dave. I never mind doing

something if I know the reason, so I guess I'll see which works best

for me.

You're right about the temperament bit. We are both over-sensitive

(being musical can have its downsides!) and prone to being hyper. We

both struggle to keep weight on and my son is extremely sporty and

active - it's a real challenge trying to replace those calories! I

have been working myself quite hard at the calming thing over recent

months and resting particularly after meals. Persuading to

sit still during and after eating is a constant battle but one I am

committed to. My mother (also small and underweight) died of bile

duct cancer, so I think there's something hereditary in the liver

area, and I've been getting the upper right abdomen discomfort for a

couple of years, Which is why I think the liver flush might help us.

Thanks for the input. I'll let you know!

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

> want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

> magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

> qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS.

The

> purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

> attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to

the

> actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

> gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free

movement of

> crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush.

Any

> form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

> liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great

also

> and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it

for

> fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

> long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated.

In

> terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

> needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You

could

> always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior,

perform

> another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis

is

> not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the

risk

> of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is

also

> a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action

and

> irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a

crap

> shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god

point

> with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

> anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <mailto:suju41@>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:g

allstones <mailto:gallstones >>

> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> > Subject: Newbie trying again

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-

one

> knows

> > whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be

REALLY

> > grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> > opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

> >

> > Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

> mag

> > malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

> recommended?

> >

> > Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

> cleanse, ie

> > evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

> the

> > Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

> tolerate

> > much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

> rested

> > all night?

> >

> > W

> > colitis/CFS

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You are NOT over sensitive. There is no such thing. Just possess a gift

that is sometimes hard to live with. Your main constitution in Ayurveda would

be termed " vata " . You can check out books on this and it will give you an

insight to what your constitution is and how to live more comfortably with it.

You and your son must be very careful about any detox program. You do not have

it to give up. This is an issue with your constitution and you must be very

" grounded " in order to proceed. Any toxicity issues that you have will have to

do with being too " dry " . If the creek bed is dry, the leaves that fall cannot

be washed downstream. Yours is not the typical profile of gallbladder problems

and so the cause and cure for yopu is different than the typical gallbladder

type. I would consider delving further into your exact symptoms and situation

before performing any flush. You may find that flushing at this moment will wig

you out even further. Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:suju41@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 4:28 AM

Subject: Re: Newbie trying again/position important?/flush for a

child?

Thanks for the science behind the position, Dave. I never mind doing

something if I know the reason, so I guess I'll see which works best

for me.

You're right about the temperament bit. We are both over-sensitive

(being musical can have its downsides!) and prone to being hyper. We

both struggle to keep weight on and my son is extremely sporty and

active - it's a real challenge trying to replace those calories! I

have been working myself quite hard at the calming thing over recent

months and resting particularly after meals. Persuading to

sit still during and after eating is a constant battle but one I am

committed to. My mother (also small and underweight) died of bile

duct cancer, so I think there's something hereditary in the liver

area, and I've been getting the upper right abdomen discomfort for a

couple of years, Which is why I think the liver flush might help us.

Thanks for the input. I'll let you know!

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

> want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

> magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

> qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS.

The

> purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

> attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to

the

> actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

> gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free

movement of

> crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush.

Any

> form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

> liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great

also

> and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it

for

> fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

> long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated.

In

> terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

> needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You

could

> always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior,

perform

> another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis

is

> not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the

risk

> of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is

also

> a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action

and

> irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a

crap

> shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god

point

> with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

> anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <mailto:suju41@>

> > To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >><mailto:g

allstones <mailto:allstones ><mailto:gallstones@ya\

hoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>>

> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> > Subject: Newbie trying again

> >

> >

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-

one

> knows

> > whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be

REALLY

> > grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> > opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

> >

> > Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

> mag

> > malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

> recommended?

> >

> > Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

> cleanse, ie

> > evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

> the

> > Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

> tolerate

> > much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

> rested

> > all night?

> >

> > W

> > colitis/CFS

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I just wanted to say that we did a cleanse on my daughter when she was 11 it was

hard on her but cleared up her asthma and allergies. She is now 16 years old

and has grown to be 5'10 " Here is the link to the message when I posted about

it. gallstones/message/9743

Karma

----- Original Message -----

From: Marshall

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:15 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Newbie trying again/position important?/flush

for a child?

Hi ,

I wouldn't try it on a 10 year old. Children need a healthy balanced diet in

order for the growth plates in the their bones to continue growing. Otherwise,

they could stop and fuse with the bone and he would be forever the height he is

now.

<suju41@...> wrote: Hi Dave

Thanks for all the info and encouraging comments. It's a relief

(metaphorically and hopefully literally) to know I might not have to

take all the epsom salts. I will experiment to get the right

amount. My bowel tends to react in extremes - too much

diarrohea/irritation and it goes into 'shock' and doesn't move for

days - kind of a vicious cycle.

Can I ask you, or the others, another couple of questions please? Is

the position important? The different recipes say either lying on

your back, walking around, or on your front with your right leg drawn

up. What's your experience?

Has anyone done the flush for a child? My son, , is just 10

and has colitis and ADHD. I am sure the root of his problem is the

same as mine. (We have both been seeing improvements in our

digestion since doing small things to help the liver/gallbladder, eg

milk thsitle, dandelion, apple juice, tablespoon of olive oil + lemon

juice in the morning. This is in addition to doing the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet - no starch, no sugar basically).

I always use myself as a 'guinea pig' first, but am even more nervous

on Ben's account. Children aren't supposed to fast, are they? (plus

he's usually hungry!). Would I need to observe the same timings?

That would be difficult as he goes to bed at 7 and needs lots of

sleep. And would I need to say halve the amount of epsoms salts, oil

and juice, do you think?

I'd be grateful for any opinions even if you don't have personal

experience. I couldn't find anything on curezone about this.

THANK YOU!

W

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have not received your original post but it sounds like you

want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably

magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you

qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS. The

purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The

attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to the

actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the

gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free movement of

crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush. Any

form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in

liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great also

and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it for

fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as

long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated. In

terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount

needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You could

always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior, perform

another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis is

not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the risk

of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is also

a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action and

irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a crap

shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god point

with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem

anyhow. All the best, -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <mailto:suju41@...>

> gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM

> Subject: Newbie trying again

>

>

> Hi everyone

>

> I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one

knows

> whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY

> grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an

> opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous.

>

> Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or

mag

> malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount

recommended?

>

> Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the

cleanse, ie

> evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on

the

> Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't

tolerate

> much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has

rested

> all night?

>

> W

> colitis/CFS

>

>

>

>

>

>