Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hi everyone I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't tolerate much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has rested all night? W colitis/CFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I'm sorry I missed your first message or I would have replied. I'm busy right now but give me some time and I'll try to write back later today. Amber I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. W colitis/CFS . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hi , In my years of experience with doing a GB flush I find the Epsom Salt to be the best because it activates the bile ducts to work in emptying the stones. I have done many flushes and have tried prune juice but I like the Epsom salt best. I find I move more stones with it. It is a aid to the cleanse. I dont know any thing about the Malate. Well, I hope this will help. > > Hi everyone > > I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows > whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY > grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an > opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. > > Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag > malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? > > Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie > evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the > Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't tolerate > much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has rested > all night? > > W > colitis/CFS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Quoting from a booklet by Nan Fuchs, PhD. " Basic Health Publications User's Guide to Calcium & Magnesium " page 3, " Some forms of calcium and magnesium are well absorbed, like calcium citrate and magnesium citrate-malate. " After my first and only GB attack on March 12, 2006, I did 3 flushes and I passed stones daily for a year! Then it slowed down and I passed them a few times a week. I haven't passed any for a few months now. My N.D. doesn't want me to do another flush now. She wants me to rest my GB. I have not had any further attacks and attribute that to taking A-F Betafood from Standard Process Labs daily. As to time of day to do a flush, I followed instructions and it was a daily routine until the final day of the 9 day flush where I took the olive oil and lemon juice before lying down. Amber I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't tolerate much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has rested all night? W colitis/CFS . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hi , I have not received your original post but it sounds like you want to use a lower dose of either epsom salts or preferably magnesium malate in order to perform a flush. I notice that you qualify yourself at the bottom as dealing with colitis and CFS. The purpose of the magnesium in whatever form is two-fold. The attraction of water to the bowel to flush out the bowel prior to the actual flush, and to relax the bile ducts to to keep them and the gallbladder from going into spasm and facilitate the free movement of crepitous from the liver/gallbladder at the moment of the flush. Any form of magnesium should be fine for both. Magnesium citrate in liquid form, available in any grocery or drug store works great also and seems to be the most palatable though I would not drink it for fun. As to lower doses, up until the flush this would be fine as long as your stool goes liquid and the bowel is fully evacuated. In terms of the moment of the actual flush I cannot say, the amount needed would be in terms of the organ/ductile relaxation. You could always try it and see what the results are, and if inferior, perform another flush with higher doses as soon as possible. Your colitis is not only common with gallbladder issues (related) but runs the risk of being irritated by the high doses of salts. The opposite is also a possibility; that the magnesium relaxes the peristaltic action and irritation relieving your colitis immediately. It is kind of a crap shoot. I would probably consider making sure you are at a god point with the colitis before attempting, but it may not pose a problem anyhow. All the best, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:suju41@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:03 AM Subject: Newbie trying again Hi everyone I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't tolerate much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has rested all night? W colitis/CFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 thanks a lot . that's really helpful. there wouldn't be much point in putting myself through the cleanse using something that wouldn't be effective W > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one > knows > > whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY > > grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an > > opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. > > > > Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag > > malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? > > > > Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie > > evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the > > Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't > tolerate > > much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has > rested > > all night? > > > > W > > colitis/CFS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 thanks Amber. I wonder if the citrate and malate might be better absorbed and therefore less laxative in effect. Since having CFS I had a magnesium injection which caused a racing pulse for a few minutes, so I don't want to absorbe too much magnesium quickly. W > > Quoting from a booklet by Nan Fuchs, PhD. " Basic Health Publications User's Guide to Calcium & Magnesium " page 3, " Some forms of calcium and magnesium are well absorbed, like calcium citrate and magnesium citrate-malate. " After my first and only GB attack on March 12, 2006, I did 3 flushes and I passed stones daily for a year! Then it slowed down and I passed them a few times a week. I haven't passed any for a few months now. My N.D. doesn't want me to do another flush now. She wants me to rest my GB. I have not had any further attacks and attribute that to taking A-F Betafood from Standard Process Labs daily. As to time of day to do a flush, I followed instructions and it was a daily routine until the final day of the 9 day flush where I took the olive oil and lemon juice before lying down. > > Amber > > > > I posted a few days ago and haven't had a reply so I guess no-one knows > whether magnesium malate would be ok. However, I would be REALLY > grateful if someone could respond to my questions, even it's an > opinion. I would like to do the liver flush but am SO nervous. > > Do you think it would be ok to use just enough epsom salts (or mag > malate) to cause diarrohea, rather than the vast amount recommended? > > Also, is it necessary to observe the time of day to do the cleanse, ie > evening? - I'm not sure I can cope with fasting all day (I'm on the > Specific Carbohydrate Diet - so could only eat veg and I don't tolerate > much of that). Could it be done in the morning as the liver has rested > all night? > > W > colitis/CFS > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 According to the booklet that I quoted from yesterday, it says there are many well-absorbed forms of magnesium including magnesium glycinate, magnesium citrate, magnesium aspartate, magnesium gluconate, magnesium lactate, and magnesium amino acid chelate. I've read somewhere that magnesium oxide is not as well absorbed, so you might try taking that a few times a day. I take it several times a day for my heart because I have Tachycardia and I'm doing well on that. Amber thanks Amber. I wonder if the citrate and malate might be better absorbed and therefore less laxative in effect. Since having CFS I had a magnesium injection which caused a racing pulse for a few minutes, so I don't want to absorbe too much magnesium quickly. W . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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