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Carol,

You won't ever be thrown off the list! I'm behind too, and am slowly catching

up. You're welcome for the offer of a ride. You're really not that far if you

ever get stuck. It's great to have a mechanic in the family. I'm glad you're

back on the road again.

Take it from a cruse lover, the Cape May Ferry is nothing like a cruise ship.

They are so big that you don't feel the motion unless you're in high seas.

Lancaster is one of my most favorite places to go. I love to shop in the Amish

stores. There is so much to do and the buffets are so good. It sounds like

everyone had a great time. I hope the boxtox and trigger point injections help

Esther. The MRI report is great!

I hope Esther is as lucky at the casinos as she is at bingo! Maybe she will

win you a new car!

hugs,

a

----- Original Message -----

From: Esther & Carol

Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:56 PM

Subject: [ ] Reporting In

Hi all! Thought I would report in for Esther before we get thrown off

the list LOL. Right now we have over 400 posts to read, we just

can't seem to keep up.

First of all, thank you a for the offer to take us to the doctors.

That would be quite a trek for you to come all the way here then go

all the way to . Thanks for the offer, that was very sweet of you.

My brother-in-law is an auto mechanic which comes in very handy.

He fixed our old car and it's running again like new. , I was

surprised that you remembered Phil had a new car LOL. You are

so on-to everyone......... it just amazes me!

Esther had the botox injections both in the shoulder muscle and the

hamstrings behind her knee. Mike, the therapist says that the knee

is really loose and the shoulder is starting, so hopefully this will work.

Tomorrow we are going for trigger point injections (it is the closest

thing to accupunture and the insurance will pay for it too) The doctor

inserts dry needles into different muscles. It breaks up the knots. She

has had this done several times before.

Good news, her latest MRI showed no changed in her neck. The

doctor is keeping close tabs on it and she will have another MRI in

about 3 to 4 months.

On the lighter side, this past weekend she went to the Lancaster, Pa.

area to stay with Cathi, her handi-camp companion, (who also is a nurse) and

lives there.. Three other staffers were there also. They took her to

The Chocolate Factory in Hershey, Pa. and she loved the tour and

the chocolate LOL. She also was privilege to meet Ann Currey (spg?)

from The Today Show who happened to be visiting too. Ann

talked with them for about ten minutes and they said that she was

very very nice. She also enjoyed a very nice Easter Play that Cathi's

church presented.

Mom and Dad also stayed in the Lancaster area in a motel

We stayed in one shaped like a Steam Ship. It was very nice

and beautiful too. I told my husband,

who would love to go on a cruise, that this was the only type

cruise ship I would stay on LOL....... I got sea-sick riding on the

Cape May Ferry and have no desire to go on one.

We also enjoyed a comedy dinner theater.

Esther is at the Casinos tonight with Ruth our Respite Nurse. Ruth

takes her to Bingo and last time they went Esther won $375 which

she and Ruth split.

Hope everyone is feeling better and that you all have a nice Easter.

~Carol~

[Guest guest]

Carol,

In FL, VT and here in alabama, medicaid pays for all of jesse's needs. The

only problem we have is getting pre-authoration for some treatments and meds

but usually not to long. I was actually surprised they approved the growth

hormones.

shelly

[Guest guest]

Thanks a!

I was wrong about the ''dry needles''......she use to get them but now

insurance won't pay for that because they say it is not proven that it

works.

We did go yesterday and she got a series of 10 trigger point injections of

Bupivaccaine/Depomedrol (spg.? can't read nurse's handwriting) Esther

is a trooper! It seems the arthritis did the damage to her joints, then her

muscles (Fibro) and now seems to be affecting the nerves. Good news

though, the MRI of brain showed that the cyst she was born with is still

the same. Her Neurologist who did the trigger points yesterday said that

we may never know why these things are occuring but we will check into it

even futher.

, here in NJ everyone who has Medicaid also has to be on a HMO.

Esther has been on the HMO for several months now. It is so much

harder than just Medicaid. Don't know if your state will follow suit. So

far though, they have paid for most of Esther's needs.

Esther didn't win me a car....shucks! LOL

All my life I have never desired any particular car.....(as long as it runs

LOL) ....until NOW. I just LOVE the PT Cruiser. I think one either hates

it or loves it. That car reminds me of very fond memories as a child. We

would pile in the car on a hot summer night to cool off....no

air-conditioning

back then. I think the PT Cruiser reminds me of my Dad who has long

been gone...... guess that's why I love it. I also want a red

one....hehehee.

Anyways, I figure in about 10 years I probably will own one LOL

Have a good day and hope all feel well

~ Carol ~

----- Original Message -----

From: " a " <paula54@...>

< >

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Reporting In

> Carol,

> You won't ever be thrown off the list! I'm behind too, and am slowly

catching up. You're welcome for the offer of a ride. You're really not

that far if you ever get stuck. It's great to have a mechanic in the

family. I'm glad you're back on the road again.

> Take it from a cruse lover, the Cape May Ferry is nothing like a cruise

ship. They are so big that you don't feel the motion unless you're in high

seas. Lancaster is one of my most favorite places to go. I love to shop in

the Amish stores. There is so much to do and the buffets are so good. It

sounds like everyone had a great time. I hope the boxtox and trigger point

injections help Esther. The MRI report is great!

> I hope Esther is as lucky at the casinos as she is at bingo! Maybe she

will win you a new car!

> hugs,

> a

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Esther & Carol

>

> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:56 PM

> Subject: [ ] Reporting In

>

>

> Hi all! Thought I would report in for Esther before we get thrown off

> the list LOL. Right now we have over 400 posts to read, we just

> can't seem to keep up.

>

> First of all, thank you a for the offer to take us to the doctors.

> That would be quite a trek for you to come all the way here then go

> all the way to . Thanks for the offer, that was very sweet of

you.

> My brother-in-law is an auto mechanic which comes in very handy.

> He fixed our old car and it's running again like new. , I was

> surprised that you remembered Phil had a new car LOL. You are

> so on-to everyone......... it just amazes me!

>

> Esther had the botox injections both in the shoulder muscle and the

> hamstrings behind her knee. Mike, the therapist says that the knee

> is really loose and the shoulder is starting, so hopefully this will

work.

> Tomorrow we are going for trigger point injections (it is the closest

> thing to accupunture and the insurance will pay for it too) The doctor

> inserts dry needles into different muscles. It breaks up the knots.

She

> has had this done several times before.

>

> Good news, her latest MRI showed no changed in her neck. The

> doctor is keeping close tabs on it and she will have another MRI in

> about 3 to 4 months.

>

> On the lighter side, this past weekend she went to the Lancaster, Pa.

> area to stay with Cathi, her handi-camp companion, (who also is a nurse)

and lives there.. Three other staffers were there also. They took her to

> The Chocolate Factory in Hershey, Pa. and she loved the tour and

> the chocolate LOL. She also was privilege to meet Ann Currey (spg?)

> from The Today Show who happened to be visiting too. Ann

> talked with them for about ten minutes and they said that she was

> very very nice. She also enjoyed a very nice Easter Play that Cathi's

> church presented.

>

> Mom and Dad also stayed in the Lancaster area in a motel

> We stayed in one shaped like a Steam Ship. It was very nice

> and beautiful too. I told my husband,

> who would love to go on a cruise, that this was the only type

> cruise ship I would stay on LOL....... I got sea-sick riding on the

> Cape May Ferry and have no desire to go on one.

> We also enjoyed a comedy dinner theater.

>

> Esther is at the Casinos tonight with Ruth our Respite Nurse. Ruth

> takes her to Bingo and last time they went Esther won $375 which

> she and Ruth split.

>

> Hope everyone is feeling better and that you all have a nice Easter.

>

> ~Carol~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update, Carol and Esther! As a said, there is no chance

you'll ever be kicked off for not posting. We miss you but understand

completely when you have to be away. With all of the appointments, how could

you have time to keep up and write, too?

I hope the Botox and the trigger point injections help a lot, Esther! You

are a brave one to have numerous needles going in all over.

Good news that the MRIs of Esther's neck and brain don't show any new

problems. I hope the neurologist can figure out what is going on though.

What further tests does he have in mind?

Ooooh, I've been on the Hershey tour. I was pregnant with then (1991).

All kinds of " eating for two " excuses escaping my lips! Glad you enjoyed it,

Esther. Sounds like Carol and Ron had a great time in Lancaster, too. I

think it depends on the size of the ship, the weather conditions, and where

you go, but the only cruise I've ever been on was a 7-day cruise to Alaska a

few years ago. Although I wasn't ever sick, one night I think I was the only

passenger aboard who felt good. The seven other people in my party were all

in their cabins puking while I was in the lounge listening to a guy playing

the guitar (watching people throw up could have pushed me over the edge, I

guess it could even on land). I was the only non-crewmember there. I sat

there drinking, writing postcards, and applauding fairly self-consciously

since there was nobody else there but the bartender and a few waiters.

Carol, I had to comment on the PT Cruiser. Many, many months ago when I was

saying to the group that I had to buy a replacement for my going-on

eight-year-old, 100,000-mile Mercury Villager minivan because my divorce

lawyer advised me to, the midlife crisis part of me took over and I bought a

PT Cruiser. But it's not red, it's silver. I really didn't have much of a

color choice because it was about a year ago and people around here were

fighting over them, but silver was one of my top three preferences.

Anyway, I'm not really a " car person " either and I was happy to drive my

extremely reliable minivan, but the PT Cruiser has " fun " written all over,

inside and out. I needed more fun, and I got it. And, yes, people have very

strong reactions to it. I had a guy in his Lexus yell at me and tell me that

I had an ugly car, but I was also stopped in a parking lot by a policeman

who told me that he loved it and wanted to look inside! I have met a lot of

people because I'm driving that crazy car. If I ever drive it to NJ, I'll

let you take it for a test drive before you go get yours!

Happy Easter, Esther, Carol, and Ron!

----- Original Message -----

From: " Esther & Carol " <cheeriostoo@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Reporting In

> Thanks a!

> 1

> I was wrong about the ''dry needles''......she use to get them but now

> insurance won't pay for that because they say it is not proven that it

> works.

> We did go yesterday and she got a series of 10 trigger point injections of

> Bupivaccaine/Depomedrol (spg.? can't read nurse's handwriting) Esther

> is a trooper! It seems the arthritis did the damage to her joints, then

her

> muscles (Fibro) and now seems to be affecting the nerves. Good news

> though, the MRI of brain showed that the cyst she was born with is still

> the same. Her Neurologist who did the trigger points yesterday said that

> we may never know why these things are occuring but we will check into it

> even futher.

>

> , here in NJ everyone who has Medicaid also has to be on a HMO.

> Esther has been on the HMO for several months now. It is so much

> harder than just Medicaid. Don't know if your state will follow suit. So

> far though, they have paid for most of Esther's needs.

>

> Esther didn't win me a car....shucks! LOL

> All my life I have never desired any particular car.....(as long as it

runs

> LOL) ....until NOW. I just LOVE the PT Cruiser. I think one either hates

> it or loves it. That car reminds me of very fond memories as a child. We

> would pile in the car on a hot summer night to cool off....no

> air-conditioning

> back then. I think the PT Cruiser reminds me of my Dad who has long

> been gone...... guess that's why I love it. I also want a red

> one....hehehee.

> Anyways, I figure in about 10 years I probably will own one LOL

>

> Have a good day and hope all feel well

>

> ~ Carol ~

[Guest guest]

Judi, keep a check on your kidneys. With me, any time I have " upper

respitory " or sinus of any kind.... it does end up affecting my kidneys.

As I think it does most people. More likely when you " let the infection

go " without treatment, and don't get the Upper Resp. treated correctly.

I was told by a nurse once, it just seemed to go hand in hand. That it

is very usual to see a UTI or some type of bladder infection during or

soon after an upper respitory infection. Especially a SINUS infection.

Glad you went to doctor. I sure know that stuff I had was not " cute "

either! I let mine go on to hit the kidneys...which I have to be careful

of anyway because of the MS. (I have no " muscle control " that allows me

to EMPTY my bladder. With some MS patients, they have opposite... it

empties " whenever! " It took me over 30 minutes just to get the doctor a

tiny urine sample a couple weeks ago when I had my sinus/ear/lung and

kidney infection. With my MS, the muscles just don't " do " what I THINK

my nerves from my brain are telling them to do! Therefore, if I do get

urine started...it never empties bladder completely.

But regardless of MS or not.... you do have to be careful of Kidney

infections going with Upper Resp. Infections.

Susie

mormar46 wrote:

> Hello dear people,

>

> I went to the doctor this morning, as ordered )

>

> Dx me with an " acute upper respiratory infection " (nothing cute about

> this stuff!) with tonsillitis, bronchitis, and otitis media.

> Actually, I feel better today, but my temp was still up, so I'm off

> to the pharmacy to get the prescriptions filled. The daycare center

> was closed today due to all the snow, so poor Ron is having to deal

> with TJ. I'm just wondering why I seem to be so lucky to come down

> with all these bugs when up until last year I hardly ever even had a

> sniffle. At least I have the Explorer to drive today, but it goes

> into the body shop tomorrow.

>

> I think I'm about ready for a beach party, what about the rest of

> you? Any cabana boys/girls lined up yet? Maybe I can train TJ to

> bring the girls lemonade & stuff. I'd teach him to rub on suntan

> lotion, but he might get a little carried away.

>

> Pleasant hours to all,

> Judi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judi,

I hope you are feeling a bit better today. Those respiratory

infections definitely are not " a cute " . Yes, I am ready for a massive

pool party with mucho cabana girls. It would warm the soul for

sure...LOL!

Just let me know when and where and I'll be there...

Love and hugs,

Al

> Hello dear people,

>

> I went to the doctor this morning, as ordered )

>

> Dx me with an " acute upper respiratory infection " (nothing cute

about

> this stuff!) with tonsillitis, bronchitis, and otitis media.

> Actually, I feel better today, but my temp was still up, so I'm off

> to the pharmacy to get the prescriptions filled. The daycare

center

> was closed today due to all the snow, so poor Ron is having to deal

> with TJ. I'm just wondering why I seem to be so lucky to come down

> with all these bugs when up until last year I hardly ever even had

a

> sniffle. At least I have the Explorer to drive today, but it goes

> into the body shop tomorrow.

>

> I think I'm about ready for a beach party, what about the rest of

> you? Any cabana boys/girls lined up yet? Maybe I can train TJ to

> bring the girls lemonade & stuff. I'd teach him to rub on suntan

> lotion, but he might get a little carried away.

>

> Pleasant hours to all,

> Judi

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Hello all, Am sending you an updat on me. Love, Zoella

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Hi

It's me again. Thanks for all the good wishes. The doctor called today.

The left side biopsy (8 samples) of the thyroid was suspicious and

inconclusive. I have to go through it again next week Wednesday and then wait

one to

two weeks for the report.

Now I know why I sew. Keeps the brain active. I have been making lace bowls

on my sewing/embroidery machine all day. They are so much fun.

Still having name troubles so I hope everyone is feeling well.

Are you still doing good Fran? And now, I can't remember who was in the

accident, I hope you are doing better also.

Bye for now

Barb B

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone,

This morning seemed dire... the day, mediocre. Drank water most of the day.

Had a saltless, soft petzel around noon. A banana later in the day. MIld, short

duration attacks occurred periodically, but I made it through my work day

without any sever agony.

I'm in the in between realm of surgery consideration and continuance of the

measures to tame my ailing GB. Can I really turn this around?

Spoke to my neighbor, who is a nurse and has had extensive bowel and GB

surgies, this morning about my symptoms. She says they are all typical and vary

from person to person. The arm ache that accompanies and subsides with attacks

is

also typical she says (people sometimes thnk they're having a heart attack).

The tenderness below the upper quadrant seems to be an irritated bowel and,

perhaps, some liver tenderness. Tenderness seems to be in different areas and

where my appendix used to be too.

Tonite we had dinner out and I feel pretty good. Ate small portions of

veggies and brown rich. Attacks tried to happen but did not. Ceased eating at

8:00

PM. Had lemon in my water and have my fingers crossed that tonite will go

relatively painless, although I do expect some discomfort.

I will dovetail my efforts to get and maintain control of my GB with the

surgery option and make a decision after further consultations with a couple of

MD's... one I believe to be an alternative medicine MD... that is, if I can last

a duration of time to accomplish this, and have an ultrasound and blood work

done ASAP.

Good news is, I don't feel too bad right now, 10 PM EST USA. It's been a

roller coaster ride and I appreciate everyone's support and advice.

Will continue with my updates as much as I can. Stress, I found, also can

bring on the discomfort... that is, when I'm fighting the clock to get things

done... otherwise my job is a labor of love for the most part.

All for now.

Regards,

Fran

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Fran:

I've been following up your posting and could feel your pains. Your pains

were the same thing I've experienced before I was hospitalized for 14 days

because I could no longer withstand it the gallstone attack. That was last

March 2006. After I was released from hospital, I went back to the hospital

after a week because of another GB attack . The doctor decided to remove my gall

bladder last May 23, 2006. But on May 22, 2006, I backed out, making my doctor

upset and mad on me. Today, more than a year already, I never had a serious GB

attack by simply following simple rules of eating and drinking.

You don't need a gall bladder removal, and you will never have a gall stone

attack again if you analyse back and trace what food and drinks were causing you

pains.

In my case, for example, I've been eating foods with beef twice a day, even

three times a day. I never drink water, only soda. These was how my gallstones

developed. Extreme saturated fats from beef that I ate twice a day, soda on my

sytem instead of water. These are all enemies of gallstone, which I discovered

from reading. When I discovered these from readings, I totally stopped eating

beef meat, and replaced it with chicken meat. I stopped drinking any brand of

soda, but lots of pure apple juice and water in a day. I stopped drinking

coffee or any drink that has caffein - not even those drinks that claim

caffein-free (I tried drinking caffein-free green tea for two weeks, but after

two weeks the signs of gallstone attack came back last January. When I stopped

it, the pains below my back stopped also. So, from there, I concluded even

drinks that claim caffein-free can cause gallstone attack on me.)

The readings you may get from postings will be confusing sometimes. You don't

really know which one is effective. And be careful, some of the advise leads

you to a web site owned (or a member) of the product they are recommending to

you. So, they might not be helping you, but pitching sales to you actually.

So, to shorten: again... list down foods and drinks that caused you pains in

your gall bladder. Then stop eating them or drinking them. Drink a lot of

water and at least 3 glasses of pure apple juice in a day. That's the only

secret.

Do not overeat, and never be hungry. Both will irritate your gall bladder.

Finally, have a positive outlook in your daily life. It relaxes your system,

including your gall bladder.

If you believe in your own Almighty God, pray and ask Him to heal you. It works

on me.

God Bless.

Jess

franniboy@... wrote:

Hello Everyone,

This morning seemed dire... the day, mediocre. Drank water most of the day.

Had a saltless, soft petzel around noon. A banana later in the day. MIld, short

duration attacks occurred periodically, but I made it through my work day

without any sever agony.

I'm in the in between realm of surgery consideration and continuance of the

measures to tame my ailing GB. Can I really turn this around?

Spoke to my neighbor, who is a nurse and has had extensive bowel and GB

surgies, this morning about my symptoms. She says they are all typical and vary

from person to person. The arm ache that accompanies and subsides with attacks

is

also typical she says (people sometimes thnk they're having a heart attack).

The tenderness below the upper quadrant seems to be an irritated bowel and,

perhaps, some liver tenderness. Tenderness seems to be in different areas and

where my appendix used to be too.

Tonite we had dinner out and I feel pretty good. Ate small portions of

veggies and brown rich. Attacks tried to happen but did not. Ceased eating at

8:00

PM. Had lemon in my water and have my fingers crossed that tonite will go

relatively painless, although I do expect some discomfort.

I will dovetail my efforts to get and maintain control of my GB with the

surgery option and make a decision after further consultations with a couple of

MD's... one I believe to be an alternative medicine MD... that is, if I can last

a duration of time to accomplish this, and have an ultrasound and blood work

done ASAP.

Good news is, I don't feel too bad right now, 10 PM EST USA. It's been a

roller coaster ride and I appreciate everyone's support and advice.

Will continue with my updates as much as I can. Stress, I found, also can

bring on the discomfort... that is, when I'm fighting the clock to get things

done... otherwise my job is a labor of love for the most part.

All for now.

Regards,

Fran

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jess. Wonderful, sober advice. Good news is: I got through the night

without a glitch and had a good night's rest. GB wanted to act up this

morning, but I put it to rest with cider vinegar in water.

Plan to take water with me on the job today... mixed with lemon and also take

a banna and nectarine.

I would like to look into these A-F Beta vitamins, tho. and will schedule and

consult with a local MD who sells them.

Thanks so much!

Regards,

Fran

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What occurs to me about eating the right foods in smaller portions suggests

that the GB is not functioning up to paar (obviously); therefore, we feed it

with what it can handle and is healthy towards gaining some degree of repair. In

order words, in the case of having a stone (or stones), co-existing with that

condition much like a car that is in disrepair that we don't want to push to

its limits.

One point that my nurse neighbor makes is that we can postpone the

inevitable, but sooner or later an ailing GB's may have to come out. That's the

reality.

I'm hoping the change in routine will promote regeneration of the GB, the

break-up and passing of stones and so on.

Which leads me to the question: Do those who have gotten control of their GB

issues with diet and routine continue to flush and when might I attempt to

flush again? My instincts tell me to wait until everything has calmed down some

before attempting another flush. I think the last flush irritated me further

and I should have done a consecutive flush right behind it. Maybe not.

Regarding A-F Betavitamins... when I spoke to a Naturepath the other day, she

suggested that those supplements facilitated in breaking up stones once the

composition of the stone has been established, which seemed a departure from

what Amber said about thinning of the bile. Maybe I'm mistaken or missed

something, as I'm not quite familiarize with the product yet. She (the

Naturepath)

also said that she may not want to prescribe A-F as a rule of thumb (maybe she

didn't stock them...said she did) and might suggest some other therapies. She

seemed very nice, however, I was a little leary of her familiarity (or lack of)

with the supplements and seemed more interested in getting my business and

getting me into a program... having called me back almost a half-dozen times...

but that's neither here or there. I'd just lke some more people to chime in on

the subject of the A-F's. I'll let you know what the MD who sells them has to

say about them. Hey, the more info, the better.

And, yes, and I do believe in God and constantly ask what it is he requires

of me and to lead me in that direction. Methinks he sends me e-mails through

this gallstones group sometimes. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't believe

in God, I mean, with all the wonders of the inner and outer universe that give

us testimony to something greater than ourselves.

As an aside here on the subject, I've been watching the History channel's

series on the universe (I love that stuff)... and, one night, my whole

perspective on such matters was flip-flopped. I mean, it staggers us to think of

the

vastness of the universe. The show makes the point that science observes that it

is expanding. However, if it is expanding then the converse applies: That it

was once smaller... in fact, inconceivably small just before the so called " big

bang " or creation. Now that absolutely blew my mind because I never thought

of it that way... the God particle and there was no space. Then He (or She...or

them) let it all go and every single thing we see and observe today came from

that. I say, why try to figure it all out (science is fun...) and just

acknowledge it and enjoy the ride, always keeping a wavelngth tuned to the

divine

within and without.

Having said that I will risk sharing this with you all (or making

public...ahem), especially those who have been so helpful to me lately, the

following:

(If you read 'Sir' somewhere, well, that was just a joke at the time of

composition...so please understand)

http://hometown.aol.com/franniboy/Ponderance.html

Can you tell I'm feeling a little more chipper and positive today.

This is a wonderful thing we do for one another here...all angles (and

angels) welcome.

Thanks and God Bless us one and All!

Fran

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Thanks, Amber, you're great.

Gob Bless you!

Fran

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In a message dated 9/20/2007 8:55:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

robert_seoane@... writes:

Now that we're on the subject of God, I noticed that

the best thing to eat is what God put on this Earth

for us. Nothing prepackaged. Just what grows out of

the ground or what swims in our oceans. Man has always

been trying to package and sell God's nutrition, but

there's nothing that's ever going to beat what's

naturally (and organically) there for us.

I'll second that, and all that you wrote before that! So glad you're around

to tell us of your experiences. I occasionally reflect back to the TV

show Kung Fu where Quai Chang would eat nothing but what he could pull from

the earth and streams... he would not eat the flesh of animals. Now to undo

what I have done...

Fran

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Banana and vinegar are one of the foods that trigger gallstone attacks, or

enhances more pains when you have the attack already. When you have the attack

just keep on drinking water or pure apple juice to wash out or neutralize the

oil that is irritating your GB. Eat soft diet foods with no oil or oily

contents. But if you could survive with no solid food, just the way when you are

in a hospital, try it until your pains subside.

franniboy@... wrote: Thanks, Jess. Wonderful, sober advice. Good

news is: I got through the night

without a glitch and had a good night's rest. GB wanted to act up this

morning, but I put it to rest with cider vinegar in water.

Plan to take water with me on the job today... mixed with lemon and also take

a banna and nectarine.

I would like to look into these A-F Beta vitamins, tho. and will schedule and

consult with a local MD who sells them.

Thanks so much!

Regards,

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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones so far because I've

never done a flush. My diet has so far kept my

gallbladder quiet. I sometimes drink wine or even a

glass of harder liquor socially. I also drink a cup of

coffee at most once a week. I have had no problems. I

eat no saturated fat anymore. Cheese and fast food and

eggs are a thing of the past. I usually have a nice

healthy bowl of fiber cereal with lactaid milk and

chopped bananas (they also have no effect on me) for

breakfast. My lunch consists of an apple and maybe

tabouli salad (sooo delicious!) and for dinner I'll

have either a green salad with tomatoes, brocollii,

corn, peas, carrots, olives, red peppers in a

vanaigrette dressing (sparingly) and maybe vegetable

roll sushi with brown rice or a lean piece of chicken

or fish cooked in olive oil and garlic and a little

tomato sauce for more flavor.

Sometimes for breakfast or lunch, I'll have a wheat

bagel or sourdough bread with hummus spread (also

delicious) or a little guacamole. I also snack on some

dried cranberries mixed with nuts (I dont usually have

too many nuts) or strawberries. I drink organic apple

juice. I take lecithin and milk thistle for my liver

and Stone Free pills to break up my stones. I exercise

by playing racquetball three times a week. I feel

better than I've felt in a long time.

Now that we're on the subject of God, I noticed that

the best thing to eat is what God put on this Earth

for us. Nothing prepackaged. Just what grows out of

the ground or what swims in our oceans. Man has always

been trying to package and sell God's nutrition, but

there's nothing that's ever going to beat what's

naturally (and organically) there for us.

--- franniboy@... wrote:

> What occurs to me about eating the right foods in

> smaller portions suggests

> that the GB is not functioning up to paar

> (obviously); therefore, we feed it

> with what it can handle and is healthy towards

> gaining some degree of repair. In

> order words, in the case of having a stone (or

> stones), co-existing with that

> condition much like a car that is in disrepair that

> we don't want to push to

> its limits.

>

> One point that my nurse neighbor makes is that we

> can postpone the

> inevitable, but sooner or later an ailing GB's may

> have to come out. That's the reality.

> I'm hoping the change in routine will promote

> regeneration of the GB, the

> break-up and passing of stones and so on.

>

> Which leads me to the question: Do those who have

> gotten control of their GB

> issues with diet and routine continue to flush and

> when might I attempt to

> flush again? My instincts tell me to wait until

> everything has calmed down some

> before attempting another flush. I think the last

> flush irritated me further

> and I should have done a consecutive flush right

> behind it. Maybe not.

>

> Regarding A-F Betavitamins... when I spoke to a

> Naturepath the other day, she

> suggested that those supplements facilitated in

> breaking up stones once the

> composition of the stone has been established, which

> seemed a departure from

> what Amber said about thinning of the bile. Maybe

> I'm mistaken or missed

> something, as I'm not quite familiarize with the

> product yet. She (the Naturepath)

> also said that she may not want to prescribe A-F as

> a rule of thumb (maybe she

> didn't stock them...said she did) and might suggest

> some other therapies. She

> seemed very nice, however, I was a little leary of

> her familiarity (or lack of)

> with the supplements and seemed more interested in

> getting my business and

> getting me into a program... having called me back

> almost a half-dozen times...

> but that's neither here or there. I'd just lke some

> more people to chime in on

> the subject of the A-F's. I'll let you know what the

> MD who sells them has to

> say about them. Hey, the more info, the better.

>

> And, yes, and I do believe in God and constantly ask

> what it is he requires

> of me and to lead me in that direction. Methinks he

> sends me e-mails through

> this gallstones group sometimes. I can't understand

> why anyone wouldn't believe

> in God, I mean, with all the wonders of the inner

> and outer universe that give

> us testimony to something greater than ourselves.

>

> As an aside here on the subject, I've been watching

> the History channel's

> series on the universe (I love that stuff)... and,

> one night, my whole

> perspective on such matters was flip-flopped. I

> mean, it staggers us to think of the

> vastness of the universe. The show makes the point

> that science observes that it

> is expanding. However, if it is expanding then the

> converse applies: That it

> was once smaller... in fact, inconceivably small

> just before the so called " big

> bang " or creation. Now that absolutely blew my mind

> because I never thought

> of it that way... the God particle and there was no

> space. Then He (or She...or

> them) let it all go and every single thing we see

> and observe today came from

> that. I say, why try to figure it all out (science

> is fun...) and just

> acknowledge it and enjoy the ride, always keeping a

> wavelngth tuned to the divine

> within and without.

>

> Having said that I will risk sharing this with you

> all (or making

> public...ahem), especially those who have been so

> helpful to me lately, the following:

> (If you read 'Sir' somewhere, well, that was just a

> joke at the time of

> composition...so please understand)

>

> http://hometown.aol.com/franniboy/Ponderance.html

>

> Can you tell I'm feeling a little more chipper and

> positive today.

>

> This is a wonderful thing we do for one another

> here...all angles (and

> angels) welcome.

>

> Thanks and God Bless us one and All!

>

> Fran

>

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I did 3 flushes and my N.D. told me not to do another but to let my body rest.

As far as the A-F Betafood, I quoted from an article by Dr. Bruce West where he

said a doctor had stopped 95% of his GB removals after prescribing it to his

patients. I don't specifically remember the article saying anything about it

thinning the bile, but maybe it did. While looking through my Saved emails, I

found one I'd sent to someone before about GB. Perhaps I posted it here but it

not, I am including it here because it could be helpful.

I subscribe to several medical newsletters but one I've taken since 1992 and

saved them all. I go back through them often to help answer people's questions.

There is a lot of material to go through, so I'm just going to type some of the

information I've found. This is from Dr. Bruce West:

After gallbladder removal, there is a constant 24-hour per day flow of bile into

the intestines that is abnormal and leads to health problems. GB removal for

older folks can often start a serious downward health spiral leading to memory

loss, people get more and more sick and are headed for a nursing home and often

to their grave. Lack of bile in its proper amounts in the body causes an immune

weakening. Bile is one of the most potent antioxidants known.

GB disease should be called liver and GB disease. The GB is the storage depot

for bile, and the liver, bile ducts, and GB together form the system that helps

your body digest fat. When you have a GB attack or gallstones it almost always

means that your liver and GB system is not in proper working order. If you

remove the GB, you are only treating part of the problem. Unless changes are

made to the diet and lifestyle, the disease mechanism that produced gallstones

and severe GB pain is still there and still causing problems. The only thing

missing is the acute pain causes by gallstones. And even that symptom often

returns for those who have had their GB removed.

Even removal of the GB with it's instant relief of the symptoms does not really

correct the underlying problem. Furthermore, GB surgery either abdominally or

through a scope has inherent dangers with plenty of possible side effects. For

people who still do not change their diet after surgery, GB removal leaves you

at a much greater rick of colon cancer. And finally, for lots and lots of

people, especially some oldsters, removal of the GB can be the start of a steady

decline that can hasten death.

Dr. West recommends a Mediterranean diet.

You can get more info from him by calling 1-800-231-8063 and asking for GB

information.

Amber

Do those who have gotten control of their GB

issues with diet and routine continue to flush and when might I attempt to

flush again? My instincts tell me to wait until everything has calmed down

some

before attempting another flush.

Regarding A-F Betavitamins... when I spoke to a Naturepath the other day, she

suggested that those supplements facilitated in breaking up stones once the

composition of the stone has been established, which seemed a departure from

what Amber said about thinning of the bile.

Fran

.

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Thank you. I hope some of the information I provide will be of help to you. My

hobby is supplying alternative medical information to people.

Amber

Thanks, Amber, you're great.

Gob Bless you!

Fran

.

[Guest guest]

Funnily enough, my 92 year old grandmother who's still

alive and kicking, God Bless her, has had gallstones

for 50 years and has only had one occurence, fifty

years ago. She's never eaten in excess, has always

been trim but never eats fish. Mostly chicken or beef.

On the other hand, my stepfather, who's now in his

seventies, had his gallbladder removed forty years ago

(when the operation was much more complicated than it

is today) and to this date he has had no problems and

eats whatever he wants. He has always been a thin man

and still smokes like a chimney.

Go figure.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

> I did 3 flushes and my N.D. told me not to do

> another but to let my body rest. As far as the A-F

> Betafood, I quoted from an article by Dr. Bruce West

> where he said a doctor had stopped 95% of his GB

> removals after prescribing it to his patients. I

> don't specifically remember the article saying

> anything about it thinning the bile, but maybe it

> did. While looking through my Saved emails, I found

> one I'd sent to someone before about GB. Perhaps I

> posted it here but it not, I am including it here

> because it could be helpful.

>

> I subscribe to several medical newsletters but one

> I've taken since 1992 and saved them all. I go back

> through them often to help answer people's

> questions. There is a lot of material to go

> through, so I'm just going to type some of the

> information I've found. This is from Dr. Bruce

> West:

>

> After gallbladder removal, there is a constant

> 24-hour per day flow of bile into the intestines

> that is abnormal and leads to health problems. GB

> removal for older folks can often start a serious

> downward health spiral leading to memory loss,

> people get more and more sick and are headed for a

> nursing home and often to their grave. Lack of bile

> in its proper amounts in the body causes an immune

> weakening. Bile is one of the most potent

> antioxidants known.

>

> GB disease should be called liver and GB disease.

> The GB is the storage depot for bile, and the liver,

> bile ducts, and GB together form the system that

> helps your body digest fat. When you have a GB

> attack or gallstones it almost always means that

> your liver and GB system is not in proper working

> order. If you remove the GB, you are only treating

> part of the problem. Unless changes are made to the

> diet and lifestyle, the disease mechanism that

> produced gallstones and severe GB pain is still

> there and still causing problems. The only thing

> missing is the acute pain causes by gallstones. And

> even that symptom often returns for those who have

> had their GB removed.

>

> Even removal of the GB with it's instant relief of

> the symptoms does not really correct the underlying

> problem. Furthermore, GB surgery either abdominally

> or through a scope has inherent dangers with plenty

> of possible side effects. For people who still do

> not change their diet after surgery, GB removal

> leaves you at a much greater rick of colon cancer.

> And finally, for lots and lots of people, especially

> some oldsters, removal of the GB can be the start of

> a steady decline that can hasten death.

>

> Dr. West recommends a Mediterranean diet.

>

> You can get more info from him by calling

> 1-800-231-8063 and asking for GB information.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Do those who have gotten control of their GB

> issues with diet and routine continue to flush and

> when might I attempt to

> flush again? My instincts tell me to wait until

> everything has calmed down some

> before attempting another flush.

>

>

> Regarding A-F Betavitamins... when I spoke to a

> Naturepath the other day, she

> suggested that those supplements facilitated in

> breaking up stones once the

> composition of the stone has been established,

> which seemed a departure from

> what Amber said about thinning of the bile.

>

>

> Fran

>

>

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>

>

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In a message dated 9/20/2007 11:03:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

robert_seoane@... writes:

On the other hand, my stepfather, who's now in his

seventies, had his gallbladder removed forty years ago

(when the operation was much more complicated than it

is today) and to this date he has had no problems and

eats whatever he wants. He has always been a thin man

and still smokes like a chimney.

Go figure.

There are no accidents. Although we have free will, some degree of

pre-destiny seems to play into the dynamics while the 'hairs on our heads are

counted', someone once said. Some of us start to lose it early in life; with

others

it thins and gradually disappears with age. Still the net result becomes

history (the picture of Dorian Grey) which becomes merely a navigational beacon

for us on which path(s) to follow.

Doing well here, . No attacks in 48 hours. Gas last night relieved by

taking some over the counter gas relief. Slept well. Only stress was a

difference of opinion today with one of my clients who wanted to nix (or

radically

adjust) one of my invoices.

Talk later.

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Glad to hear it Fran. Continue taking care of yourself

and youll start feeling better every day

--- franniboy@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/20/2007 11:03:42 P.M. Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> robert_seoane@... writes:

>

> On the other hand, my stepfather, who's now in his

> seventies, had his gallbladder removed forty years

> ago

> (when the operation was much more complicated than

> it

> is today) and to this date he has had no problems

> and

> eats whatever he wants. He has always been a thin

> man

> and still smokes like a chimney.

>

> Go figure.

> There are no accidents. Although we have free will,

> some degree of

> pre-destiny seems to play into the dynamics while

> the 'hairs on our heads are

> counted', someone once said. Some of us start to

> lose it early in life; with others

> it thins and gradually disappears with age. Still

> the net result becomes

> history (the picture of Dorian Grey) which becomes

> merely a navigational beacon

> for us on which path(s) to follow.

>

> Doing well here, . No attacks in 48 hours. Gas

> last night relieved by

> taking some over the counter gas relief. Slept well.

> Only stress was a

> difference of opinion today with one of my clients

> who wanted to nix (or radically

> adjust) one of my invoices.

>

> Talk later.

>

> Fran

>

>

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If you don't do a series of gall bladder/liver cleanses - you're nuts..

franniboy@... wrote: Hello Everyone,

This morning seemed dire... the day, mediocre. Drank water most of the day.

Had a saltless, soft petzel around noon. A banana later in the day. MIld, short

duration attacks occurred periodically, but I made it through my work day

without any sever agony.

I'm in the in between realm of surgery consideration and continuance of the

measures to tame my ailing GB. Can I really turn this around?

Spoke to my neighbor, who is a nurse and has had extensive bowel and GB

surgies, this morning about my symptoms. She says they are all typical and vary

from person to person. The arm ache that accompanies and subsides with attacks

is

also typical she says (people sometimes thnk they're having a heart attack).

The tenderness below the upper quadrant seems to be an irritated bowel and,

perhaps, some liver tenderness. Tenderness seems to be in different areas and

where my appendix used to be too.

Tonite we had dinner out and I feel pretty good. Ate small portions of

veggies and brown rich. Attacks tried to happen but did not. Ceased eating at

8:00

PM. Had lemon in my water and have my fingers crossed that tonite will go

relatively painless, although I do expect some discomfort.

I will dovetail my efforts to get and maintain control of my GB with the

surgery option and make a decision after further consultations with a couple of

MD's... one I believe to be an alternative medicine MD... that is, if I can last

a duration of time to accomplish this, and have an ultrasound and blood work

done ASAP.

Good news is, I don't feel too bad right now, 10 PM EST USA. It's been a

roller coaster ride and I appreciate everyone's support and advice.

Will continue with my updates as much as I can. Stress, I found, also can

bring on the discomfort... that is, when I'm fighting the clock to get things

done... otherwise my job is a labor of love for the most part.

All for now.

Regards,

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Hi Fran,

The appendix is a lymph organ (not vestigial as the medical establishment

would lead us to believe). I now suspect that you may have some type of

intestinal infection as well as gallbladder issues. Having gallstones does not

necessarily mean that they are either the issue or the majority thereof. Even

if they do stool exams and come up with nothing, or put you on any particular

antibiotic with no effect does not preclude the presence of a pathogen. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: franniboy@...<mailto:franniboy@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:15 PM

Subject: Reporting In

Hello Everyone,

This morning seemed dire... the day, mediocre. Drank water most of the day.

Had a saltless, soft petzel around noon. A banana later in the day. MIld,

short

duration attacks occurred periodically, but I made it through my work day

without any sever agony.

I'm in the in between realm of surgery consideration and continuance of the

measures to tame my ailing GB. Can I really turn this around?

Spoke to my neighbor, who is a nurse and has had extensive bowel and GB

surgies, this morning about my symptoms. She says they are all typical and

vary

from person to person. The arm ache that accompanies and subsides with attacks

is

also typical she says (people sometimes thnk they're having a heart attack).

The tenderness below the upper quadrant seems to be an irritated bowel and,

perhaps, some liver tenderness. Tenderness seems to be in different areas and

where my appendix used to be too.

Tonite we had dinner out and I feel pretty good. Ate small portions of

veggies and brown rich. Attacks tried to happen but did not. Ceased eating at

8:00

PM. Had lemon in my water and have my fingers crossed that tonite will go

relatively painless, although I do expect some discomfort.

I will dovetail my efforts to get and maintain control of my GB with the

surgery option and make a decision after further consultations with a couple

of

MD's... one I believe to be an alternative medicine MD... that is, if I can

last

a duration of time to accomplish this, and have an ultrasound and blood work

done ASAP.

Good news is, I don't feel too bad right now, 10 PM EST USA. It's been a

roller coaster ride and I appreciate everyone's support and advice.

Will continue with my updates as much as I can. Stress, I found, also can

bring on the discomfort... that is, when I'm fighting the clock to get things

done... otherwise my job is a labor of love for the most part.

All for now.

Regards,

Fran

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