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If they were floating and green, I bet they were gall stones.

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-----Original Message-----From: terri [mailto:terri.barber@...]Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:01 PMbowel cleanse Subject: gall stonesIs it gall stones that look like peas??Sorry to be gross, but I just went to the bathroom and there were two large "peas" floating on top. I had peas for supper tonight (only 3 hours ago), but before that, not in ages. Besides, these were much larger than the ones I ate tonight.Does anyone know what they might have been if not peas?thanks!TerriSubscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri!

I passed about 20 gallstones a year or so ago, and they looked exactly like

frozen peas. They had to be gallstones because I had not eaten any peas in

months. I didn't fish them out, but I understand they are wiggly and can be

squished with the fingers like a gelatin capsule--not really stones at all.

Congratulations! Maybe there are more!

Marsha <>{

[Guest guest]

Also....

Do I NEED to bowel cleanse before trying the first gall bladder flush?

I am thinking I will do it a few times before getting my follow up altrasound.

thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

BIG YES, to the bowel cleanse before your next ultrasound. The reason

for having problems with gallstones is that the large intestine may be full

and the gallstones cannot move on through. The colon is always the first

place to start with any cleansing program. It is the septic tank of the

body. If the septic tank in your house is not flowing properly, what

happens? Everything backs up...your washer, shower, toilets, sinks. Same

for your septic system of your body - your colon not working properly causes

the kidneys, liver/gallbladder, heart, lungs to be sluggish and to not

function properly. Hope this makes some sense.

God Bless,

Virginia

[Guest guest]

You don't necessarily HAVE to do a bowel cleanse before that BUT you

do want to make sure your bowels are moving good and also do a

parasite cleanse before the flush.

Good luck and be sure to post your results

Denny

> Also....

> Do I NEED to bowel cleanse before trying the first gall bladder

flush?

>

> I am thinking I will do it a few times before getting my follow up

altrasound.

>

> thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

,

PLEASE do let us know if you see the results after the flush. It would be

wonderful. Your doctor sounds very open-minded... it's refreshing!

The link below (curezone) is where I got mine from. Two weeks ago I did Hulda

's flush and got lots of stones out! I never had any stones seen on an

ultrasound, but 5 years ago, when my gallbladder problems started, my MD wanted

to take it from me. Well, I RAN to the herbals and never looked back! The

cleanse was easy and quick. The only problem I had was with hemrrhoids. I

recommend looking at the archives for remedies for that before you start.

Good luck.

God bless,

KJ

[Guest guest]

Virginia,

" The colon is always the first

place to start with any cleansing program. It is the septic tank of the

body. If the septic tank in your house is not flowing properly, what

happens? Everything backs up...your washer, shower, toilets, sinks. Same

for your septic system of your body - your colon not working properly causes

the kidneys, liver/gallbladder, heart, lungs to be sluggish and to not

function properly. Hope this makes some sense. "

This is interesting, because I decided not to do my next liver/gallbladder

cleanse for 2 more weeks because of the constipation I have been getting since

the cleanse. I also decided to do a colon cleanse with Fiber Life and Schulze,

until the next two weeks is up. This confirms my decision. Thanks.

God bless,

KJ

[Guest guest]

This is SO incredible that your MD is not only giving you his blessing about

the gallbladder flush (and it's reasonable for him to be doubtful, I think

most people are!), but to arrange for the followup ultrasound. That's SUCH a

gift! (I'm jealous!~grin~)

You might want to check out the gallstones list for more information specific

to this type of cleansing. The archives are at

http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

You can find the basic flush " recipe " at www.curezone.com and a slightly

different variation of it at www.relfe.com.

To answer your last question - I was diagnosed with gallstones in October of

last year and was told to schedule surgery in the very near future. I have

done the flush a number of times and am now moving toward the maintenance

stage where I'll just do it every six months. I still have my gallbladder

intact and I'm very grateful for that. I know they say we can live without

it, but I figure it was put in there for a purpose and that might be even

something that medical science isn't aware of yet that goes beyond what we do

know about it.

I'd really encourage you to check out the archives at the gallstones group or

even to join and tell them your story and get their responses, since that's a

group that is set up specifically for that type of cleansing.

wishing you success!

in health,

rachel~

pittagirl35@... writes:

> Well my MD has just told me that my abdominal altrasound shows gall stones.

> I

> told him that I am thinking of doing the (awareness) bowel cleanse and then

>

> gall bladder flush. He being a MD wasn't too hopeful but gave me his

> blessing

> and told me when I was finished he would set up another altrasound test to

> verify the results.

>

> I am excited that I will be able to medically check the results---

> Please tell me where I can find a great recipe or instructions for the gall

>

> bladder flush...and also from your experiences, how many I should do and

> how

> much time should be in between flushes... I havent done this before.

>

> Have any of you been successful enough (after altrasound findings and then

> flushing) to not require surgery?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

" Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " - Henry Ford

[Guest guest]

I can't back this up because it's been a long time since I read it

but it rings true in my family. Once you remove your gall bladder

you are much more likely to get diabetes. My mother-in-law had hers

removed and with-in 10 years she was diabetic. She is living without

her gall bladder and with diabetes.

Elaine

>

> This is SO incredible that your MD is not only giving you his

blessing about

> the gallbladder flush (and it's reasonable for him to be doubtful,

I think

> most people are!), but to arrange for the followup ultrasound.

That's SUCH a

> gift! (I'm jealous!~grin~)

>

> You might want to check out the gallstones list for more

information specific

> to this type of cleansing. The archives are at

>

> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials

>

> You can find the basic flush " recipe " at www.curezone.com and a

slightly

> different variation of it at www.relfe.com.

>

> To answer your last question - I was diagnosed with gallstones in

October of

> last year and was told to schedule surgery in the very near

future. I have

> done the flush a number of times and am now moving toward the

maintenance

> stage where I'll just do it every six months. I still have my

gallbladder

> intact and I'm very grateful for that. I know they say we can live

without

> it, but I figure it was put in there for a purpose and that might

be even

> something that medical science isn't aware of yet that goes beyond

what we do

> know about it.

>

> I'd really encourage you to check out the archives at the

gallstones group or

> even to join and tell them your story and get their responses,

since that's a

> group that is set up specifically for that type of cleansing.

>

> wishing you success!

> in health,

> rachel~

>

>

> pittagirl35@a... writes:

> > Well my MD has just told me that my abdominal altrasound shows

gall stones.

> > I

> > told him that I am thinking of doing the (awareness) bowel

cleanse and then

> >

> > gall bladder flush. He being a MD wasn't too hopeful but gave me

his

> > blessing

> > and told me when I was finished he would set up another

altrasound test to

> > verify the results.

> >

> > I am excited that I will be able to medically check the results---

> > Please tell me where I can find a great recipe or instructions

for the gall

> >

> > bladder flush...and also from your experiences, how many I should

do and

> > how

> > much time should be in between flushes... I havent done this

before.

> >

> > Have any of you been successful enough (after altrasound findings

and then

> > flushing) to not require surgery?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> " Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " -

Henry Ford

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

" To answer your last question - I was diagnosed with gallstones in October of

last year and was told to schedule surgery in the very near future. I have

done the flush a number of times and am now moving toward the maintenance

stage where I'll just do it every six months. I still have my gallbladder

intact and I'm very grateful for that.

Congratulations on keeping your gallbladder.

" I know they say we can live without

it, but I figure it was put in there for a purpose and that might be even

something that medical science isn't aware of yet that goes beyond what we do

know about it. "

I would bet money that there is something docs don't know about the

after-effects of losing your gallbladder and the purpose of it being there in

the first place. The problem (at least in America) is that most doctors don't

care about your quality of life. They only care that your alive. If your

miserable, so what! At least your alive! UUUUGGGHHHH!!!! So they won't bother

to find out how the after-effects of removing the gallbladder unless there is an

independent doc or alternative docs that do studies on this.

Thank God for the internet!

God bless,

KJ

[Guest guest]

Babesia, which is a protozoal parasite, causes gallstones.

Previously it was believed to be harmless in humans except in those

whose spleens have been removed, but lately many people with lyme

disease are finding that they are having problems with babesia. It

can also cause " air hunger " where you feel you can't get enough air,

and thickening of the blood, and heart damage. Some studies of dogs

have found babesia fairly common thoughout the US. There are

several strains but labs can only test for 2-3 of them. If the

stiff neck is due to lyme, tho, it's safe to assume the gall stones

could be from babesia. It can be tough to get rid of, but

antimalarials are working for many, with artemisinin being the top

one.

I'd say get tested for lyme, through igenex. You can google them to

get a sample collection kit sent to your MD if he/she doesn't

already use them.

>

>

> I covet your opinions...

> I have done one liver/gall bladder flush

> and got out green and white stones. I want

> to get to the bottom of why they are forming

> in the first place and read somewhere that

> saturated fat causes them. I use virgin coconut

> oil to cook and eat fatty meat. My skin has

> gotten so much better since using the VCO but

> I don't want to be in a vicious cycle either.

> My acupuncturist says my gall bladder, spleen

> and intestines are still " unhappy " and I am

> planning to do another cleanse. I have major

> back and neck pain and that's why I go to a

> chiropractor and an acupuncturist. Theories

> abound for causes of stones...as mentioned

> before, too much saturated fat in the diet,

> excess estrogen,too much sugar(and therefore

> excess insulin circulating in the body), too

> much protein in the diet, not drinking enough

> of or the proper type of water... so this is

> why I would like to get to the bottom of the

> cause and not just keep treating the symtoms

> (the stones). Thank you, in advance, for

> any and all ideas you can share !

>

[Guest guest]

I have also read that if your body feels you don't have enough cholesterol

it will over produce it by making gall stones. Another reason to keep your

cholesterol levels up.

Allyn

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Emma Davies

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:34 PM

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

> I have done one liver/gall bladder flush

> and got out green and white stones. I want

> to get to the bottom of why they are forming

> in the first place

The purpose of the gallbladder is to make bile salts in order to

digest fat. Gallstones are largely formed from cholesterol. Bile salts

are made from cholesterol, and the gallbladder contains most of the

body's cholesterol stores. If, for whatever reason, your body is busy

making cholesterol but is unable to form bile from it and excrete it

from the gallbladder, you will be prone to developing gallstones.

Taurine and glycine are also required to make bile, so it is important

to ensure your diet contains enough of these (i.e. meat).

Genetics can play a role - doctors have a saying; " female, fair, fat

and forty " for gallstone sufferers.

Gallstones often contain calcium oxalate, which is implicated in a lot

of other stone formation too. A low oxalate diet can help sometimes,

but sometimes people are genetically predisposed to producing excess

oxalates too.

There's some evidence that magnesium helps for gallstones. Calcium

citrate and magnesium citrate help if the problem is oxalates (must be

citrate!).

Low fat diets are recommended by doctors because they alleviate

symptoms, but actually they can make the gallbladder more congested

because it no longer has any reason to excrete bile. When you eat fat,

the gallbladder secretes bile, and if you have gallstones, this can

aggravate your symptoms, however it also stimulates the gallbladder to

dissolve the stones.

[Guest guest]

I have considered doing this cleanse, still haven't due to procrastination.

But, from what I read on curezone.com, some people have to do it more to get

them all out. I guess it just depends on your body.

JMO

Allyn

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of barbiec1953

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:44 AM

Subject: Gall Stones

I covet your opinions...

I have done one liver/gall bladder flush

and got out green and white stones. I want

to get to the bottom of why they are forming

in the first place and read somewhere that

saturated fat causes them. I use virgin coconut

oil to cook and eat fatty meat. My skin has

gotten so much better since using the VCO but

I don't want to be in a vicious cycle either.

My acupuncturist says my gall bladder, spleen

and intestines are still " unhappy " and I am

planning to do another cleanse. I have major

back and neck pain and that's why I go to a

chiropractor and an acupuncturist. Theories

abound for causes of stones...as mentioned

before, too much saturated fat in the diet,

excess estrogen,too much sugar(and therefore

excess insulin circulating in the body), too

much protein in the diet, not drinking enough

of or the proper type of water... so this is

why I would like to get to the bottom of the

cause and not just keep treating the symtoms

(the stones). Thank you, in advance, for

any and all ideas you can share !

[Guest guest]

dear all,

I have just been diagnosed with gall stones and the doctor asked me to

do surgery which i want to avoid if i can.

Pls tell me any alterantive medicine .the stones are big and am having

dull pain on my left shoulder.

pls help!!

thanx

mini

[Guest guest]

Mini -

The nerve that connects to (innervates) the GB also carries in it's

bundle the nerves that innervate the lower angle of the scapula and

surrounding areas. They exit the spinal cord between the same vertebrae

(You can Google " dermatome " for more specifics).

There have been times when a GB " problem " that is accompanied by a

reoccuring or chronic shoulder ache/pain has actually been a nerve

pinch near the spine.

You can check it out by seeing a chiro, a D.O. (Dr of Osteopathy), or a

Massage Therapist who specializes in Medical Massage,

Bindegwebsmassage, or Shiatsu.

If so, it's a whole lot less invasive to correct using any of their

techniques than using a scapel.

Good luck!!

[Guest guest]

Alot of the pain in the neck and shoulders is from the colon. If you get

a chart of the meridians of the body you will see how they run up the

arm from the fingers and from the feet and all through the body and

connect in the head. Here is a good one I just found for you. It shows

the meridian for the GB.

Save it on your computer so you can refer back to it from time to time.

http://theamt.com/modules.php?name=News & file=article & sid=211

Don't ever have your GB removed because you will be in for more problems

than you ever dreamed possible.

There are points on your feet to help with this and especially on the

right food. The next to the little toe and on the right side of the pad

of the foot is for it and then it runs up the leg all the way to the

groin and up to the GB location. You can get foot rollers to use on the

feet and get someone to help you work on your feet. There are people who

are Reflexologists for the feet.

The flushes are great too. You really need to get on them and do them

on a regular basis and change your diet drastically.

ANY greasy foods, foods with high fat are not good. Olive oil is very

good for you. You can use it on your salads. Lecithin granules are great

in hot cereals or juices to drink it. These are good fats or oils for

you to use.

If you cut out the GB the liver is going to have to store the stones and

that is very bad then.

Blessings,

>

> Do not rush to surgery. You can never undo that. Do some of the

flushes that you'll find on this website. I've passed stones every day

for a year. Some were 3/4 inch. The point of the flushes is to soften

the stones so that they can pass. I can't think pain in your left

shoulder would have anything to do with your GB.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

>

> dear all,

> I have just been diagnosed with gall stones and the doctor asked me

to

> do surgery which i want to avoid if i can.

>

> Pls tell me any alterantive medicine .the stones are big and am

having

> dull pain on my left shoulder.

> pls help!!

>

> thanx

> mini

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am confused. There are so many flushing procedures.

Orthodox Dushan's mother, hulda clarke etc.etc. What

is the exact procedure. In a routine scan, I have

been diagnosed with gall stones. They are not

disturbing me. The only problem is that I got Hep B

in 2002. It got recovered automatically, but it

attacked my immune system thereby making me diabetic

plus production of lot of gas in my abdomin. Since

then I am greatly disturbed by gas. My abdomin

remains filled with gas everytime, which is causing me

severe back pain and hip joints pain. The doctors say

that I have IBS. I am really confused. It is making

me disable to even walk sometime getting out of bed or

chair.

About stones, I have heard that 99 percent people have

stones in gb. It is only when they start creating

symptoms, they become very troublesome.

--- mkathryn59 <mkathryn59@...> wrote:

> Alot of the pain in the neck and shoulders is from

> the colon. If you get

> a chart of the meridians of the body you will see

> how they run up the

> arm from the fingers and from the feet and all

> through the body and

> connect in the head. Here is a good one I just found

> for you. It shows

> the meridian for the GB.

> Save it on your computer so you can refer back to it

> from time to time.

>

http://theamt.com/modules.php?name=News & file=article & sid=211

> Don't ever have your GB removed because you will be

> in for more problems

> than you ever dreamed possible.

> There are points on your feet to help with this and

> especially on the

> right food. The next to the little toe and on the

> right side of the pad

> of the foot is for it and then it runs up the leg

> all the way to the

> groin and up to the GB location. You can get foot

> rollers to use on the

> feet and get someone to help you work on your feet.

> There are people who

> are Reflexologists for the feet.

> The flushes are great too. You really need to get

> on them and do them

> on a regular basis and change your diet drastically.

> ANY greasy foods, foods with high fat are not good.

> Olive oil is very

> good for you. You can use it on your salads.

> Lecithin granules are great

> in hot cereals or juices to drink it. These are good

> fats or oils for

> you to use.

> If you cut out the GB the liver is going to have to

> store the stones and

> that is very bad then.

>

> Blessings,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Do not rush to surgery. You can never undo that.

> Do some of the

> flushes that you'll find on this website. I've

> passed stones every day

> for a year. Some were 3/4 inch. The point of the

> flushes is to soften

> the stones so that they can pass. I can't think

> pain in your left

> shoulder would have anything to do with your GB.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear all,

> > I have just been diagnosed with gall stones and

> the doctor asked me

> to

> > do surgery which i want to avoid if i can.

> >

> > Pls tell me any alterantive medicine .the stones

> are big and am

> having

> > dull pain on my left shoulder.

> > pls help!!

> >

> > thanx

> > mini

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You are correct. Lots of people have stones, but most people do not have a

problem because of them. Also, some people will have one GB attack and then

never have another one. Try an OTC product called Gas-X. It helps with that

problem.

Amber

About stones, I have heard that 99 percent people have

stones in gb. It is only when they start creating

symptoms, they become very troublesome.

.

[Guest guest]

No, just doing a liver and gall bladder purge is not the end, at least with me.

If your liver and gall bladder have stones, your electrical circuit is most

likely out and needs to put back in.

I look at the " why " did your body store the stones in the first place. What kind

of toxin? was it an environmental toxin, a food toxin or an emotional toxic

build up. Without dealing with the " why " you will be getting the stones built up

again.

Just purging the stones out it not a fix. In my clinic I always continue looking

for the " why and what " till we get to the core or root issue, which is always an

electrical/emotional issue.

Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: " , " <kenstar@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 10:01:30 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Gall stones

Thanks for this NieeMA and Wil.

Would you suggest tho' that this is all you need for cleansing or as

something to do pre liver cleansing?

I've bought these products from Dr. Natura. The Colonix and the

Toxinout that elfnori was recommending a couple of weeks ago. My

medical doctor expressed concern that a cleanse might move stones

into pancreatic ducts and cause me some issues.

So do you think that's a valid concern?

On 1-Aug-10, at 9:50 AM, Wil Spencer wrote:

> I use and recommend the same as Nieema.

> The gall bladder purge from s, it has been around for 40

> years, it is

> simple and it works.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

>

> ________________________________

> From: NieeMA <nieema0@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 12:25:46 AM

> Subject: Re: Gall stones

>

> Greetings

>

> That seems to be the s Moritz method as he wrote it some 10

> plus years

> ago!

> It is the best around..mind you I just glanced at it...but it seems

> to be the

> one

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Do you or does anyone know if doing the Colonix + Toxinout

> program is

> > > risky if gall stones are present? I'm worried about stones

> shifting

> > > to pancreatic ducts and causing me problems there.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>