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I just wanted to add my 2 cents. I had my first Gallbladder attack December

2006 when my baby was 6 weeks old. I think a major cause of my Gallbladder

problems was a number of things. Such as losing weight quickly *close to 30lbs

in 4 months* Very bad constipation problems *Going as long as 5 days without a

BM* Poor diet. I finally found this last after my attack and started

changing the way I ate. My major problem food Fast Food and Cheese. I have

since

stopped eating cheese and I will admit to eating some fast food. I personally

will try to change all I can before I submit to surgery. Surgery is something

you cannot change, If need be I will have the surgery. As for pregnancy and

Gallbladder problem, I am currently pregnant and have had minor problems. I ate

some cheese so I know why I had problems. I know pregnancy can make

problems worse but I have started taking more supplements and changing the way

I

eat. I will admit I do eat some foods that are not good at all. I can also tell

you I know a lady personally that had her Gallbladder out and has diarrhea

when she eats some foods.

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What has worked for you has not worked for me (one size does not fit all) I have

done the colon cleanse 3 months also did the kidney,liver and several

gallbladder flushes Dr. Hulda eat very healthy followed Dr. Young The PH

miracle ( Fast food I dont think so )mostly vegetables steamed or raw some baked

fish and chicken taken the proper Herbs, vitamins, minerals,enzyme's . Im glad

you still have your gallbladder. But there are some of us that this program has

not worked myself being one of them then to be judged as a fast food junkie

without knowing what you are talking about I take offense to. and myself if my

sink was to leak after the pipes were unclogged I would have it replaced. who

wants to mop up water all the time

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From: fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...>

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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:41:23 AM

Subject: Stop the madness!

I had GB problems until I changed my diet and did some cleanses.

Fortunately, everything is fine now and I still have my gallbladder!

I did not have to do this, but I understand that taking some

additional epsom salts will cure any blockage problems and do it very

quickly.

As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the

plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting

stuff in there that caused the problem!

For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is appealing

to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your liver?

Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who

has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs to

be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is

not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many of

which are not easily attributed to the liver.

Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read those

without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the

rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched this

much as I am not in that position.

Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in

removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood

lifestyle???

Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary

surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my life.

Fortunately, I did not make it a third.

Good luck!

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One size does not fit all, but one size fits most on this issue. Not

sure why it hasn't worked for you, but don't know your circumstances.

Maybe you are an extreme case.

I just hope that people don't read these testimonials and think that it

will likely not work for them. Because if they make a commitment to

it, it WILL likely work for them.

People have a tendancy to give up too early or not even try. Or worse

yet, listening to a medical professional that stand to make money from

you.

Sounds like you made every effort to make it work. I commend you for

that.

I use to trust the medical community with my health. I now understand

that for optimal health, I have to take it into my own hands. The

medical industry does very little to prevent problems. Doctors

basically know prescription drugs and surgeries. They try to fix

things on the back end rather that fixing things on the front end by

preventing problems. They are not taught in medical school to do that.

Good luck to you...

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the epsom salts do not take the place of a colon cleanse that is

necessary before and after each cleanse judykcleansing

On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:33 PM, fjnie1234 wrote:

> One size does not fit all, but one size fits most on this issue. Not

> sure why it hasn't worked for you, but don't know your circumstances.

> Maybe you are an extreme case.

>

> I just hope that people don't read these testimonials and think

> that it

> will likely not work for them. Because if they make a commitment to

> it, it WILL likely work for them.

>

> People have a tendancy to give up too early or not even try. Or worse

> yet, listening to a medical professional that stand to make money from

> you.

>

> Sounds like you made every effort to make it work. I commend you for

> that.

>

> I use to trust the medical community with my health. I now understand

> that for optimal health, I have to take it into my own hands. The

> medical industry does very little to prevent problems. Doctors

> basically know prescription drugs and surgeries. They try to fix

> things on the back end rather that fixing things on the front end by

> preventing problems. They are not taught in medical school to do that.

>

> Good luck to you...

>

>

>

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My protocol was to do a colon cleanse, then the liver/GB cleanse with

the epsom salts, then another colon cleanse. The " additional epsom

salts " were only in the event of blockage that I never had to do.

I use to do colonics for the colon cleanse, but it got too expensive.

Now I just do P & B shakes. Do you think that is sufficient or do you

recommend something else?

Thanks!

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Wow, ya got that right!!!

Amber

I use to trust the medical community with my health. I now understand

that for optimal health, I have to take it into my own hands. The

medical industry does very little to prevent problems. Doctors

basically know prescription drugs and surgeries. They try to fix

things on the back end rather that fixing things on the front end by

preventing problems. They are not taught in medical school to do that.

G

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---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle',

My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have

eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and

fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!!

You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case

then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably

all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have

them but don't really need them for a healthy life.

Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions

of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side

effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it

done.

No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as

you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op.

We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to

eat, without any problems at all.

Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage

to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!!

> As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the

> plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting

> stuff in there that caused the problem!

>

> For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is

appealing

> to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your

liver?

> Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who

> has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs

to

> be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is

> not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many

of

> which are not easily attributed to the liver.

>

> Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read

those

> without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the

> rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched

this

> much as I am not in that position.

>

> Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in

> removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood

> lifestyle???

>

> Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary

> surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my

life.

> Fortunately, I did not make it a third.

>

> Good luck!

>

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yes we do need our appendix, Indian and chinese medicine believe the

appendix plays a vitally important role. It breeds large quantities

of friendly, probiotic bacteria and supplies them to the colon and

other parts of the gut in order to neutralize any harmful substances

The strategic location of the appendix allows these useful

microorganisms to blend with the still fluid fecal matter as it

begins its passage through the walls of the large intestine. I can

add 2 more pages to this topic but I will stop here. the alternative

to appendix surgery is to clean the colon and colonics.

judykcleansingcoach

On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:48 AM, stchem2002 wrote:

> ---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle',

>

> My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have

> eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and

> fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!!

>

> You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case

> then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably

> all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have

> them but don't really need them for a healthy life.

>

> Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions

> of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side

> effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it

> done.

>

> No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as

> you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op.

>

> We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to

> eat, without any problems at all.

>

> Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage

> to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> > As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the

> > plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting

> > stuff in there that caused the problem!

> >

> > For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is

> appealing

> > to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your

> liver?

> > Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who

> > has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs

> to

> > be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is

> > not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many

> of

> > which are not easily attributed to the liver.

> >

> > Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read

> those

> > without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the

> > rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched

> this

> > much as I am not in that position.

> >

> > Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in

> > removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood

> > lifestyle???

> >

> > Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary

> > surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my

> life.

> > Fortunately, I did not make it a third.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

>

>

>

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When I was at the Doctors the other day a lady there who had her GB out a

number of years ago (prior to keyhole surgery) thought she could eat what

she liked and do what she liked. She had always had very low cholesterol

prior to having the GB removed.

Her Cholesterol reading was 7.2.

Her body had not been telling her the signs of this high reading due to the

gallbladder not being around.

Even when you get your GB removed you still need to maintain your diet with

especially the fats in foods. If the one who designed our body put the GB

there, it must have been for a good reason. So you really do need to work

to keep your body well even after having your GB removed otherwise something

else will be put under stress causing further health issues.

Being blasé out our bodies is wrong. We have been doing the wrong thing

all along that is why we have to have or had the GB removed as a final

resort.

Rubbish in is only Rubbish out and we all know what garbage can do to any

system.

Regards

Jill

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of stchem2002

Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 7:48 PM

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Subject: Re: Stop the madness!

---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle',

My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have

eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and

fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!!

You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case

then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably

all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have

them but don't really need them for a healthy life.

Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions

of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side

effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it

done.

No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as

you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op.

We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to

eat, without any problems at all.

Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage

to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!!

> As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the

> plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting

> stuff in there that caused the problem!

>

> For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is

appealing

> to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your

liver?

> Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who

> has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs

to

> be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is

> not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many

of

> which are not easily attributed to the liver.

>

> Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read

those

> without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the

> rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched

this

> much as I am not in that position.

>

> Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in

> removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood

> lifestyle???

>

> Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary

> surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my

life.

> Fortunately, I did not make it a third.

>

> Good luck!

>

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Wow! Where do I start? For those people on this forum that are

trying to do the right things, they will not be offended. For anyone

else, they may be. That is a bit unfortunate. But this forum is

about supporting each other with information to take steps in the

right direction.

Second, I am not sure about the appendix. But the gallbladder cannot

be removed with no ill-effects. People use to think that this is the

case. But more and more evidence is pointing to the importance of a

well-functioning gallbladder. We are still putting mercury fillings

in people's mouths and still putting flouride in our drinking water.

But we are starting to wise up to these things as well. I would

suggest doing some research on the function of a gallbladder and what

it means to the liver when it is removed. It was very enlightening

for me.

Most people who have their GB removed do not take any supplements

because they are not aware of the need for them. They are not aware

of the alternatives to surgery and they are not aware of the ill-

effects of the removal. They immediately feel better because the

organ in question is gone so they think they made a good decision.

But because of forums like these, people are starting to get educated

on issues like these and can really make good decisions for their own

health.

As for eating anything that you want, are you not concerned about

cancer, heart disease, diebetes, etc? All of your organs need good

nutrition. Perhaps the gallbladder for some people is the organ that

is crying foul the loudest.

And yes, there is that chance that the cleanses carry some risk. But

that is a risk that I am willing to take. Fortunately, we all have

the ability to make these decisions about our own health.

I wish you the best.

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Thanks so much for that information!

I am currently battling candida. For those not familiar, it is

essentially an overgrowth of bad bacteria that overtakes the good

bacteria needed for proper digestion. It causes many possible symptoms

(varying widely by individual) and is not easily diagnosed due to other

similar conditions (and possibly lack of financial incentive of the

medical community).

There are several causes including antibiotics, birth-control, and diet.

Some estimate that as many as a third Americans have this imbalance and

others estimate as many as two-thirds.

How much do you think that appendix removals affect this?

Thanks again!

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I have to agree here. Insurance companies like to

save money. If they knew removing the gallbladder

could potentially cause massive bills later on I think

they would really reconsider putting it through

without the blink of an eye.

I have asked, and looked everywhere, to find how the

GB is vital and have not gotten a good answer. Nor

have I found much info about negative effects of

removing the GB, except of course for the nomal

surgery risks.

--- stchem2002 <stchem@...> wrote:

> You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if

> this is the case

> then the millions of people who have had them

> removed would probably

> all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the

> appendix we have

> them but don't really need them for a healthy life.

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Don't know if this will get through, the filters have been trashing my responses

for several weeks. I will try and get this remedied but must respond

immediately before heading out of town.

I do know about the appendix. Removal of any organ as a first option is

lunacy. The appendix, like the tonsils, is a lymph organ and provides first

line immunal responses at the very beginning of the large intestine (cecum);

just as the tonsils are first line response as the food enters the mouth. Just

a couple of weeks ago it was reported that researchers had discovered another

function of the appendix that had not been realized until this time:

Repopulation of probiotics after some type of reduction (The human body did not

evolve with constant anti biotic onslaught). In my position I see the people

every day who have reduced function and subsequent ailments from having organs

removed. Because some people seem to live a normal life (at the moment) after

gallbladder removal, to assume that it is not needed for optimum health is as

silly as assuming because some people dump a bucket of stones on their first

flush that everyone will.

As for the surgeon's ability to measure function;... So what? Of course

your gallbladder function will be reduced if you are having problems. To

measure elimination at 22% and extrapolate that into justification for removal

is ludicrous. Orwell came up with the concept of Double Speak, This is

what I call Stupid Think. If your gallbladder is functioning at below optimum

you might try supporting it's repair and function to regain these.

Rehabilitation. If you break your leg you do not amputate first. you put it in

a cast, then go through some type of physical therapy in order to try and regain

function. If the injury is bad enough, sometimes it may be necessary to

amputate in the long run.

When I get back I will attempt to send out a post in regards to gallbladder

function, the formation of stones, and various methods of remedy. Always, in

all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:26 AM

Subject: Re: Stop the madness!

Wow! Where do I start? For those people on this forum that are

trying to do the right things, they will not be offended. For anyone

else, they may be. That is a bit unfortunate. But this forum is

about supporting each other with information to take steps in the

right direction.

Second, I am not sure about the appendix. But the gallbladder cannot

be removed with no ill-effects. People use to think that this is the

case. But more and more evidence is pointing to the importance of a

well-functioning gallbladder. We are still putting mercury fillings

in people's mouths and still putting flouride in our drinking water.

But we are starting to wise up to these things as well. I would

suggest doing some research on the function of a gallbladder and what

it means to the liver when it is removed. It was very enlightening

for me.

Most people who have their GB removed do not take any supplements

because they are not aware of the need for them. They are not aware

of the alternatives to surgery and they are not aware of the ill-

effects of the removal. They immediately feel better because the

organ in question is gone so they think they made a good decision.

But because of forums like these, people are starting to get educated

on issues like these and can really make good decisions for their own

health.

As for eating anything that you want, are you not concerned about

cancer, heart disease, diebetes, etc? All of your organs need good

nutrition. Perhaps the gallbladder for some people is the organ that

is crying foul the loudest.

And yes, there is that chance that the cleanses carry some risk. But

that is a risk that I am willing to take. Fortunately, we all have

the ability to make these decisions about our own health.

I wish you the best.

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Thank you for your thoughts. I'm not offended, but

again, no actual info about why the GB is important.

Bullet points, website, anything?

As for other problems, especially Cancer, I have come

to the conclusion that anything and everything causes

cancer. I have older family members and family

friends who live very health lifestyles. Most if not

all of these people have consumed very little fast

food because in their day it wasn't what it is now.

One of these gentlemen did all of the " good " stuff

that you talk about and still died from Cancer,

another had breast cancer and another has a pacemaker.

So is all this work pointless?

--- fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...> wrote:

> Wow! Where do I start? For those people on this

> forum that are

> trying to do the right things, they will not be

> offended. For anyone

> else, they may be. That is a bit unfortunate. But

> this forum is

> about supporting each other with information to take

> steps in the

> right direction.

>

> Second, I am not sure about the appendix. But the

> gallbladder cannot

> be removed with no ill-effects. People use to think

> that this is the

> case. But more and more evidence is pointing to the

> importance of a

> well-functioning gallbladder. We are still putting

> mercury fillings

> in people's mouths and still putting flouride in our

> drinking water.

> But we are starting to wise up to these things as

> well. I would

> suggest doing some research on the function of a

> gallbladder and what

> it means to the liver when it is removed. It was

> very enlightening

> for me.

>

> Most people who have their GB removed do not take

> any supplements

> because they are not aware of the need for them.

> They are not aware

> of the alternatives to surgery and they are not

> aware of the ill-

> effects of the removal. They immediately feel

> better because the

> organ in question is gone so they think they made a

> good decision.

>

> But because of forums like these, people are

> starting to get educated

> on issues like these and can really make good

> decisions for their own

> health.

>

> As for eating anything that you want, are you not

> concerned about

> cancer, heart disease, diebetes, etc? All of your

> organs need good

> nutrition. Perhaps the gallbladder for some people

> is the organ that

> is crying foul the loudest.

>

> And yes, there is that chance that the cleanses

> carry some risk. But

> that is a risk that I am willing to take.

> Fortunately, we all have

> the ability to make these decisions about our own

> health.

>

> I wish you the best.

>

>

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I have read numerous posts/articles about the subject. Unfortunately,

I am at work and my file is at home. But I would suggest doing some

searches like I did. One particularly good web site where I know I

read some info about this is CureZone.com. But there have been others

as well.

Good luck to you.

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Thank you.

--- fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...> wrote:

> I have read numerous posts/articles about the

> subject. Unfortunately,

> I am at work and my file is at home. But I would

> suggest doing some

> searches like I did. One particularly good web site

> where I know I

> read some info about this is CureZone.com. But

> there have been others

> as well.

>

> Good luck to you.

>

>

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From what I've read, the GB emulsifies fat in the diet, and without a GB, bile

constantly drips and can increase the risk of cancer.

Amber

I have asked, and looked everywhere, to find how the

GB is vital and have not gotten a good answer. Nor

have I found much info about negative effects of

removing the GB, except of course for the nomal

surgery risks.

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I had read the same thing. In fact, my father had his GB removed and

then had liver cancer several years later. I will always wonder if

there was a link in his case or not.

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Would that be colon cancer or what type? I'd like to

look into this more. Thank you.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

> From what I've read, the GB emulsifies fat in the

> diet, and without a GB, bile constantly drips and

> can increase the risk of cancer.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

> I have asked, and looked everywhere, to find how

> the

> GB is vital and have not gotten a good answer. Nor

> have I found much info about negative effects of

> removing the GB, except of course for the nomal

> surgery risks.

>

> .

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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I found this on-line:

Without a gall bladder, you're not going to be able to digest dietary fats with

any degree of efficiency. This means that if you don't take bile salts as a

nutritional supplement every time you eat healthy fats, you'll miss out on

all-important omega-3 fatty acids and other healthy oils. That's why people who

have had gall bladder removal surgery usually suffer the classic signs of EFA

deficiencies: poor nervous system function, irritability, learning difficulties,

heart disease, poor blood sugar control, and so on.

And you know why surgeons don't tell people the truth about gall bladder removal

surgery? I suspect it's because if people knew the horrifying nutritional

consequences of the procedure, they'd refuse to do it, and surgeons and

hospitals would lose out on those paying customers. Talking to a gall bladder

surgeon about your gall bladder health is sort of like taking your car to a

greasy garage mechanic and asking, " Is there anything wrong with the

transmission? " The answer you get is designed to pad his pockets. If you want

honest answers on gall bladder pain, go visit a naturopath.

Amber

Thank you for your thoughts. I'm not offended, but

again, no actual info about why the GB is important.

Bullet points, website, anything?

.

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Anyone taking antibiotics (against life) needs to also be taking probiotics (for

life) at the same time. Antibiotics kill everything, good and bad. We need to

replace the good bacteria. It's recently been discovered that the appendix

helps provide the good flora, so God didn't make a mistake. It was put there

for a good reason. Yes, we CAN live without it and CAN live without the GB, but

it's a lot better for our overall health if we can nourish and retain the organs

we were born with.

Amber

I am currently battling candida.

There are several causes including antibiotics,

How much do you think that appendix removals affect this?

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Amber,

This is the most useful piece of information I have

gained from this site, thank you so so much!!! I am

completely serious. I asked a long time ago about

other types of Dr.s including acupuncture, I think

this is exactly what I was looking for.

--- Amber <amber@...> wrote:

, go visit a naturopath.

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Wow, fantastic! Thanks for writing. Good luck.

Amber

Amber,

This is the most useful piece of information I have

gained from this site, thank you so so much!!! I am

completely serious. I asked a long time ago about

other types of Dr.s including acupuncture, I think

this is exactly what I was looking for.

.

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Thanks Amber.

, you can find more on this at:

, you can also check out -

http://www.newstarget.com/007733.html

Rajesh

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> This is the most useful piece of information I

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> gained from this site, thank you so so much!!! I

> am

> completely serious. I asked a long time ago about

> other types of Dr.s including acupuncture, I think

> this is exactly what I was looking for.

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