Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Please change the subject line...stop the madness is showing for loads of emails that do not relate to this.. thank you ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Being blase about our bodies is wrong but both my father and brother and now my niece have had their GB removed - my father over 30 years ago and none of them are suffering any ill effects- they have been able to eat what they want - thought none of us big meat eaters- and we have always eaten in moderation - so having GB removed should not be taken lightly but no on in our family has had any adverse efffects Best F On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Ivahri Arabians wrote: > When I was at the Doctors the other day a lady there who had her GB > out a > number of years ago (prior to keyhole surgery) thought she could eat > what > she liked and do what she liked. She had always had very low > cholesterol > prior to having the GB removed. > > Her Cholesterol reading was 7.2. > > Her body had not been telling her the signs of this high reading due > to the > gallbladder not being around. > > Even when you get your GB removed you still need to maintain your > diet with > especially the fats in foods. If the one who designed our body put > the GB > there, it must have been for a good reason. So you really do need to > work > to keep your body well even after having your GB removed otherwise > something > else will be put under stress causing further health issues. > > Being blasé out our bodies is wrong. We have been doing the wrong > thing > all along that is why we have to have or had the GB removed as a final > resort. > > Rubbish in is only Rubbish out and we all know what garbage can do > to any > system. > > Regards > > Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] > On > Behalf Of stchem2002 > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 7:48 PM > gallstones > Subject: Re: Stop the madness! > > ---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle', > > My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have > eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and > fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!! > > You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case > then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably > all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have > them but don't really need them for a healthy life. > > Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions > of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side > effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it > done. > > No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as > you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op. > > We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to > eat, without any problems at all. > > Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage > to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!! > > > As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the > > plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting > > stuff in there that caused the problem! > > > > For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is > appealing > > to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your > liver? > > Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who > > has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs > to > > be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is > > not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many > of > > which are not easily attributed to the liver. > > > > Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read > those > > without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the > > rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched > this > > much as I am not in that position. > > > > Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in > > removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood > > lifestyle??? > > > > Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary > > surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my > life. > > Fortunately, I did not make it a third. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Another one! Why are you here on this LIVER AND GALLBLADER FLUSHING FORUM if you dont agree with FLUSHING???? The words " GET A LIFE " come to mind when I read posts like this! You dont even need supplements like bile salts according to you. And neither do your 4 contacts who have had the surgery done. How nice of you to speak for them I'm sure they are just delighted to read that. *air of sarcasm* If you dont need SUPPLEMENTS WHY ARE YOU HERE??? This is a FLUSHING FORUM if you are NOT here to FLUSH LEAVE! Leave those of us who actually want to make an effort to improve our health alone. Half the time on this forum isnt even used talking about different flushes, instead we are defending what we are doing in the first place. If there is a moderator reading this I think you should be asking these people to leave they serve no purpose here and only criticize those who are in the CORRECT forum. And by the way the gallbladder IS important to the body I know this because I went to university and graduated in Kinesiology where we learn about anatomy, biology and exercise physiology. The concentration of bile increases by a factor of 7 when entering the gb. If the gb is removed there will not be a one time controlled release of bile into the small intestine. It will leak out in small unconcentrated amounts. This will seriously over the short or long term hamper digestion of fats and fat soluable vitamins. The bile acid is used to metabolize fat soluable vitamins. But of course all this factual information doesnt matter to you because you dont need to flush, take bile salts and your diet is healthy according to your own words! Brad > > ---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle', > > My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have > eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and > fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!! > > You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case > then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably > all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have > them but don't really need them for a healthy life. > > Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions > of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side > effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it > done. > > No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as > you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op. > > We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to > eat, without any problems at all. > > Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage > to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the > > plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting > > stuff in there that caused the problem! > > > > For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is > appealing > > to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your > liver? > > Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who > > has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs > to > > be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is > > not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many > of > > which are not easily attributed to the liver. > > > > Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read > those > > without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the > > rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched > this > > much as I am not in that position. > > > > Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in > > removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood > > lifestyle??? > > > > Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary > > surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my > life. > > Fortunately, I did not make it a third. > > > > Good luck! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Amber I believe this is contraindicated. Taking antibiotics with probiotics is basically a waste of time and money. The Antibiotics will just render the probiotics useless as well as kill off any good bacteria in the intestinal tract whilst taking them an 3-5 days following ending the course.. You need to follow any antibiotics treatment with probiotics therapy for human or animal. Just one example: http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijnw/vol2n1/probio tics.xml There are many more examples on the web. We have used probiotics with our horses and other animals for many years. Especially when they are being weaned (when they are stressed, can have weaning bowel problems and can have their immune system strength compromised due to these issues. Or when having to get antibiotics. We also follow up with antibiotics following worming of the horses as well. I have learnt over many years from experience about contraindicated use of drug therapy, herbal therapy and also using natural products like probiotics. You can be simple wasting your time and energy, or can be causing further issues if you do not research what you are taking at anyone time. Regards Jill -----Original Message----- From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Amber Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2008 6:54 AM gallstones Subject: Re: Stop the madness! Anyone taking antibiotics (against life) needs to also be taking probiotics (for life) at the same time. Antibiotics kill everything, good and bad. We need to replace the good bacteria. It's recently been discovered that the appendix helps provide the good flora, so God didn't make a mistake. It was put there for a good reason. Yes, we CAN live without it and CAN live without the GB, but it's a lot better for our overall health if we can nourish and retain the organs we were born with. Amber I am currently battling candida. There are several causes including antibiotics, How much do you think that appendix removals affect this? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I agree with you. You don't take the WITH antibiotics. You take them at different times. I think there would be quite a fight going on if a person took them at the same time. And after the round of antibiotics has been finished, it's important to continue taking the probiotics for a period of time to help replenish the good flora. Amber Amber I believe this is contraindicated. Taking antibiotics with probiotics is basically a waste of time and money. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 No one in your family has had any " adverse symptoms " . Often, by the time the symptoms show up the damage has been done. As was so well put by another post recently there is no way to have your gallbladder removed with " no ill effect " simply because of the functions it performs. Sometimes in rare cases it is necessary to have it removed to either save a life or make it bearable but only as a last resort. The idea that because you do not experience uncomfortable symptoms that no ill effect is occurring is like saying that I have been smoking for 50 years and I haven't gotten lung cancer yet. Or as Pryor so humorously put it, " People say that cocaine is addictive. _____, I know people who have been snorting cocaine for 15 years, and their not addicted! " That was a comedy routine done about a year before he shot his girlfriend's car up in his driveway and a couple before he set himself on fire making base. The actions today have repercussions tomorrow. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Battaglia<mailto:fbattaglia@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Re: Stop the madness! Being blase about our bodies is wrong but both my father and brother and now my niece have had their GB removed - my father over 30 years ago and none of them are suffering any ill effects- they have been able to eat what they want - thought none of us big meat eaters- and we have always eaten in moderation - so having GB removed should not be taken lightly but no on in our family has had any adverse efffects Best F On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Ivahri Arabians wrote: > When I was at the Doctors the other day a lady there who had her GB > out a > number of years ago (prior to keyhole surgery) thought she could eat > what > she liked and do what she liked. She had always had very low > cholesterol > prior to having the GB removed. > > Her Cholesterol reading was 7.2. > > Her body had not been telling her the signs of this high reading due > to the > gallbladder not being around. > > Even when you get your GB removed you still need to maintain your > diet with > especially the fats in foods. If the one who designed our body put > the GB > there, it must have been for a good reason. So you really do need to > work > to keep your body well even after having your GB removed otherwise > something > else will be put under stress causing further health issues. > > Being blasé out our bodies is wrong. We have been doing the wrong > thing > all along that is why we have to have or had the GB removed as a final > resort. > > Rubbish in is only Rubbish out and we all know what garbage can do > to any > system. > > Regards > > Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: gallstones <mailto:gallstones > [mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones >] > On > Behalf Of stchem2002 > Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 7:48 PM > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Subject: Re: Stop the madness! > > ---I take offence to your remark 'to justify a fast food lifestyle', > > My diet consists of fresh food all homemade and always has, I have > eaten fast food who hasn't?? if you have NEVER eaten a burger and > fries then you are probably only 1 in a million!!!!!!!! > > You also say the the GB is a vital organ, surly if this is the case > then the millions of people who have had them removed would probably > all be suffering or dead by now. It's a bit like the appendix we have > them but don't really need them for a healthy life. > > Befoe having my op I done alot of research and asked many questions > of the doctors, it is such a common operation with very few side > effects I would reccomend anyone suffering to think about having it > done. > > No. I do not need to take any 'bile salts and other supplements' as > you state, neither do the other 4 people that I know have had the op. > > We are all now living life and enjoying all the food that we like to > eat, without any problems at all. > > Let's hope all those cleanses, and epsom salts arn't doing any damage > to your body in the long term?????!!!!!!!!!!! > > > As for removing a vital organ, do you remove your sink if the > > plumbing gets clogged? No, you unclog the sink and stop putting > > stuff in there that caused the problem! > > > > For those thinking that you may be able to eat anything is > appealing > > to you, are you forgetting what the bad food is doing to your > liver? > > Are you going to remove that too? My understanding that anyone who > > has gallstones also has liver stones. Therefore, your liver needs > to > > be flushed whether you had your GB removed or not. A liver that is > > not functioning efficiently can cause all kinds of problems, many > of > > which are not easily attributed to the liver. > > > > Without a GB, more stress is placed on the liver. I have read > those > > without a GB need to take bile salts and other supplements for the > > rest of their lives to compensate for this. Haven't researched > this > > much as I am not in that position. > > > > Do you really think that you folks are doing the right thing in > > removing a vital organ or are you trying to justify a fastfood > > lifestyle??? > > > > Hope you make the right choice for you. I have had two unnecessary > > surgeries (unrelated to GB) that I will regret the rest of my > life. > > Fortunately, I did not make it a third. > > > > Good luck! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I just recently heard that report, too. It was comforting to know that there was actually a purpose for the appendix. I'm glad someone finally figured it out. Amber I do know about the appendix. Removal of any organ as a first option is lunacy. The appendix, like the tonsils, is a lymph organ and provides first line immunal responses at the very beginning of the large intestine (cecum); just as the tonsils are first line response as the food enters the mouth. Just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that researchers had discovered another function of the appendix that had not been realized until this time: Repopulation of probiotics after some type of reduction (The human body did not evolve with constant anti biotic onslaught). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 The problem of course is how does one deal with a burst appendix or acute epityphlitis? Surgical decisions are always a matter of compromise, you lose something to gain something, and you gain something to lose something. _____ From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Amber Sent: January 21, 2008 8:04 PM gallstones Subject: Re: Stop the madness! I just recently heard that report, too. It was comforting to know that there was actually a purpose for the appendix. I'm glad someone finally figured it out. Amber I do know about the appendix. Removal of any organ as a first option is lunacy. The appendix, like the tonsils, is a lymph organ and provides first line immunal responses at the very beginning of the large intestine (cecum); just as the tonsils are first line response as the food enters the mouth. Just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that researchers had discovered another function of the appendix that had not been realized until this time: Repopulation of probiotics after some type of reduction (The human body did not evolve with constant anti biotic onslaught). .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 One deals with a burst appendix by means of an emergency appendectomy or they die as a general rule. However, most likely few, and definitely not all appendicitis' result in rupture if not removed. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Porretta<mailto:lporretta@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: RE: Re: Stop the madness! The problem of course is how does one deal with a burst appendix or acute epityphlitis? Surgical decisions are always a matter of compromise, you lose something to gain something, and you gain something to lose something. _____ From: gallstones <mailto:gallstones > [mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones >] On Behalf Of Amber Sent: January 21, 2008 8:04 PM gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Subject: Re: Stop the madness! I just recently heard that report, too. It was comforting to know that there was actually a purpose for the appendix. I'm glad someone finally figured it out. Amber I do know about the appendix. Removal of any organ as a first option is lunacy. The appendix, like the tonsils, is a lymph organ and provides first line immunal responses at the very beginning of the large intestine (cecum); just as the tonsils are first line response as the food enters the mouth. Just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that researchers had discovered another function of the appendix that had not been realized until this time: Repopulation of probiotics after some type of reduction (The human body did not evolve with constant anti biotic onslaught). . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Yes, that is my point. Sometimes organ removal, like limb removal is necessary. No person wants it, though some need it. Surgery is life-altering in some way or the other and though I believe that gallbladder removal is absolutely essential in some cases, it also comes with a cost. A careful diet, which is an advantage anyway, may be the consequences of gallbladder removal. One deals with a burst appendix by means of an emergency appendectomy or they die as a general rule. However, most likely few, and definitely not all appendicitis' result in rupture if not removed. -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Porretta<mailto:HYPERLINK " mailto:lporretta%40shaw.ca " lporrettashaw (DOT) -ca> HYPERLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...<mailto:HYPE RLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:21 PM Subject: RE: Re: Stop the madness! The problem of course is how does one deal with a burst appendix or acute epityphlitis? Surgical decisions are always a matter of compromise, you lose something to gain something, and you gain something to lose something. _____ From: HYPERLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...<mailto:HYPE RLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...> [mailto:HYPERLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...<mailto:HYPE RLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...>] On Behalf Of Amber Sent: January 21, 2008 8:04 PM HYPERLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...<mailto:HYPE RLINK " mailto:gallstones%40 " gallstones@...> Subject: Re: Stop the madness! I just recently heard that report, too. It was comforting to know that there was actually a purpose for the appendix. I'm glad someone finally figured it out. Amber I do know about the appendix. Removal of any organ as a first option is lunacy. The appendix, like the tonsils, is a lymph organ and provides first line immunal responses at the very beginning of the large intestine (cecum); just as the tonsils are first line response as the food enters the mouth. Just a couple of weeks ago it was reported that researchers had discovered another function of the appendix that had not been realized until this time: Repopulation of probiotics after some type of reduction (The human body did not evolve with constant anti biotic onslaught). .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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