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I recently asked about antibiotics as it related to biotoxin

illness. THIS IS MY NON-MEDICAL UNDERSTANDING. I received a friend's

response who I respect and admire as having a lot of knowledge about

this disease. She is a former employee of the CDC.

Bacteria can release endotoxins of their own. Mycotoxins specifically

come from fungi. As I understand it, only people with certain genetic

markers go chronic with Lyme. Those same people can also have the

markers for mycotoxins, so they get the double whammy. It's not that

antibiotics contain mycotoxins - most of them ARE mycotoxins, plain

and simple. The very word 'antibiotic' is a class name for fungi that

kill other life forms. When the stuff was commericalized for human

medical use in the 1940's, the word took on a new popular meaning.

So Patti what do you think? Comments please. I want to learn as I am

not getting any help from the medical profession.

Thanks, Sharon

> > >

> > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are

> not

> > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed.

> > There

> > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the

> > famous

> > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold

> > landing

> > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry,

I've

> > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold

> had

> > > been killed.

> > >

> > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> > >

> >

>

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Sharon,

I don't know where you got your definition of " antibiotic " , but the

derivatives for the word are from " anti " meaning " against " ,

and " biology " or " a branch of knowledge that deals with living

organisms and vital processes " .

If you check Merriamwebster online, the definition of " antibiotic " is:

" tending to prevent, inhibit, or destroy life " .

Note that it says nothing about antibiotics being " fungi " . That's

because they aren't fungi. That was my original criticism of your

intial post and it still is. Yes, penicillin is a chemical that was

found to be produced by a mold, but penicillin itself is not a

fungus. Also, antibiotics are not " alive " and cannot be " killed " .

Some antibiotics such as the sulfonamides (Bactrim DS, for example)

have NO biologic origins whatsoever and were completely synthesized

in the lab.

I'm sorry if my response to your original post offended you, but I

stand by my previous posts. I didn't intend you to take it

personally, but feel strongly that I should do what I can to correct

erroneous statements when I can.

Did you tell your friend from the CDC that you posted online that

antibiotics were " fungi " and could be " killed " ? If not, then I

suggest you do and see what she says. That was what my beef was

about.

> > > >

> > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics

are

> > not

> > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

killed.

> > > There

> > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

the

> > > famous

> > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold

> > > landing

> > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry,

> I've

> > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

mold

> > had

> > > > been killed.

> > > >

> > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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No I didn't. And I do agree with you. I am not disputing that

information at all even though I said it was my understanding and the

statement was not meant to be a factual statement but my

understanding. I stand corrected by you and I am not taking it

personally but I am trying to get a discussion going as some

antibiotics can make me sick. You can understand why I want to know

more about it? It's a thirst for knowledge and a plea for help as I

know it impacts many in my condition and yours.

Anyway my friend says that some antibiotics are made from fungi is

this true?

Some antibiotics are MYCOTOXINS is this true?

Any antibiotic that are mycotoxins (dead) would most likely make me

sicker is this plausable? I'm trying to find out which antibiotics I

should avoid.

I know I diverted from the original topic but I think it's relevant.

Also Patti I have a few good doctors and it has taken me a long time

to find them. They are the best of the best and I wouldn't dream of

replacing them but most of the doctors I encountered for the five

years I was sick made me develop a distaste for the profession in

general. Many are afraid to think out of the box and misdiagnose

Lyme disease (costs too much to treat) and Mold Exposure (political

disease because someone may get sued). In addition the treatment

that was given (antibiotics, steroids, antidepressants, muscle

relaxers) only made me worse. The hardest part was being told it was

in my head. One doctor told me not to call her office anymore and to

only come in at my next scheduled appointment. I found out later

that I was coming close to adrenal crisis. My point is I could care

less what they think of me because the feeling is mutual.

How are you doing by the way?

Thanks,

Sharon

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics

> are

> > > not

> > > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

> killed.

> > > > There

> > > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

> the

> > > > famous

> > > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium

mold

> > > > landing

> > > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm

sorry,

> > I've

> > > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

> mold

> > > had

> > > > > been killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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My understanding is that a large number of antibiotics are derived

from the chemicals that fungi use to compete against (kill)

bacteria. As such, the drugs are not fungi, but fungal poison. some

people can tolerate them, some can't.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " .

Antibiotics

> are

> > > not

> > > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically

> > > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be

> killed.

> > > > There

> > > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is

> the

> > > > famous

> > > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium

mold

> > > > landing

> > > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm

sorry,

> > I've

> > > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the

> mold

> > > had

> > > > > been killed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi ,

Thanks for the information. I'm trying to grasp an understanding that

is way beyond my professional expertise so I make mistakes. Because of

my exposure to mold and my genetic inability to filter mycotoxins I

would become very sick I believe now from some antibiotics. My

biotoxin savvy MD has told me that if I am exposed to mold again I will

go down for about three weeks. I'm trying to find out which

antibiotics are mycotoxins. Mycotoxin, (MY UNDERSTANDING)are from mold

(fungi).

I think this is a good topic.

Thanks

Sharon

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No problem. while the drug may not be " mold " in and of itself, if

it is derived from mold, or synthsized from chemicals produced by

mold, you may react to it. Like you, I'm no chemist, but that is my

understanding.

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the information. I'm trying to grasp an understanding

that

> is way beyond my professional expertise so I make mistakes.

Because of

> my exposure to mold and my genetic inability to filter mycotoxins

I

> would become very sick I believe now from some antibiotics. My

> biotoxin savvy MD has told me that if I am exposed to mold again I

will

> go down for about three weeks. I'm trying to find out which

> antibiotics are mycotoxins. Mycotoxin, (MY UNDERSTANDING)are from

mold

> (fungi).

>

> I think this is a good topic.

>

> Thanks

> Sharon

>

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It really is hard having gaps in the teeth.

A good oral surgeon who will do a good implant

is a good investment.

My implant feels really good.

Energy-wise, sturdy, healthy....I'm impressed.

Plus, my health is so much better now than it

was when I had the root canals in there.

Kathy

[ ] Re:

Antibiotics

Kathy wrote: >This is why I quit taking MMS...As

soon as I get done with the antibiotics I well

start doing the MMS again. <

TRAITOR!

Nah, just kidding. I have had to stop MMS for a

while too, to do some serious rebuilding. Taking

DMSO showed me some areas that I need to work

on. I think I have reached a point of relative

safety and equilibrium for a time right now, as

far as my main infection goes. When I start

back, I will be trying fresh lemon juice as an

activator.

I utterly understand about the teeth. I lost

four tooth roots to my infection.

Daddybob

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