Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I recently asked about antibiotics as it related to biotoxin illness. THIS IS MY NON-MEDICAL UNDERSTANDING. I received a friend's response who I respect and admire as having a lot of knowledge about this disease. She is a former employee of the CDC. Bacteria can release endotoxins of their own. Mycotoxins specifically come from fungi. As I understand it, only people with certain genetic markers go chronic with Lyme. Those same people can also have the markers for mycotoxins, so they get the double whammy. It's not that antibiotics contain mycotoxins - most of them ARE mycotoxins, plain and simple. The very word 'antibiotic' is a class name for fungi that kill other life forms. When the stuff was commericalized for human medical use in the 1940's, the word took on a new popular meaning. So Patti what do you think? Comments please. I want to learn as I am not getting any help from the medical profession. Thanks, Sharon > > > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are > not > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed. > > There > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the > > famous > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold > > landing > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, I've > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold > had > > > been killed. > > > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Sharon, I don't know where you got your definition of " antibiotic " , but the derivatives for the word are from " anti " meaning " against " , and " biology " or " a branch of knowledge that deals with living organisms and vital processes " . If you check Merriamwebster online, the definition of " antibiotic " is: " tending to prevent, inhibit, or destroy life " . Note that it says nothing about antibiotics being " fungi " . That's because they aren't fungi. That was my original criticism of your intial post and it still is. Yes, penicillin is a chemical that was found to be produced by a mold, but penicillin itself is not a fungus. Also, antibiotics are not " alive " and cannot be " killed " . Some antibiotics such as the sulfonamides (Bactrim DS, for example) have NO biologic origins whatsoever and were completely synthesized in the lab. I'm sorry if my response to your original post offended you, but I stand by my previous posts. I didn't intend you to take it personally, but feel strongly that I should do what I can to correct erroneous statements when I can. Did you tell your friend from the CDC that you posted online that antibiotics were " fungi " and could be " killed " ? If not, then I suggest you do and see what she says. That was what my beef was about. > > > > > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics are > > not > > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically > > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be killed. > > > There > > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is the > > > famous > > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold > > > landing > > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, > I've > > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the mold > > had > > > > been killed. > > > > > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 No I didn't. And I do agree with you. I am not disputing that information at all even though I said it was my understanding and the statement was not meant to be a factual statement but my understanding. I stand corrected by you and I am not taking it personally but I am trying to get a discussion going as some antibiotics can make me sick. You can understand why I want to know more about it? It's a thirst for knowledge and a plea for help as I know it impacts many in my condition and yours. Anyway my friend says that some antibiotics are made from fungi is this true? Some antibiotics are MYCOTOXINS is this true? Any antibiotic that are mycotoxins (dead) would most likely make me sicker is this plausable? I'm trying to find out which antibiotics I should avoid. I know I diverted from the original topic but I think it's relevant. Also Patti I have a few good doctors and it has taken me a long time to find them. They are the best of the best and I wouldn't dream of replacing them but most of the doctors I encountered for the five years I was sick made me develop a distaste for the profession in general. Many are afraid to think out of the box and misdiagnose Lyme disease (costs too much to treat) and Mold Exposure (political disease because someone may get sued). In addition the treatment that was given (antibiotics, steroids, antidepressants, muscle relaxers) only made me worse. The hardest part was being told it was in my head. One doctor told me not to call her office anymore and to only come in at my next scheduled appointment. I found out later that I was coming close to adrenal crisis. My point is I could care less what they think of me because the feeling is mutual. How are you doing by the way? Thanks, Sharon > > > > > > > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics > are > > > not > > > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically > > > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be > killed. > > > > There > > > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is > the > > > > famous > > > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold > > > > landing > > > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, > > I've > > > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the > mold > > > had > > > > > been killed. > > > > > > > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 My understanding is that a large number of antibiotics are derived from the chemicals that fungi use to compete against (kill) bacteria. As such, the drugs are not fungi, but fungal poison. some people can tolerate them, some can't. > > > > > > > > > > For the record, " antibiotics " are not " fungi " . Antibiotics > are > > > not > > > > > living organisms, so they cannot be " killed " . Chemically > > > > > inactivated, perhaps, but there's nothing living to be > killed. > > > > There > > > > > are many different families of antibiotics. Penicillin is > the > > > > famous > > > > > antibiotic which was found as a result of a penicillium mold > > > > landing > > > > > in a culture dish of bacteria and the researcher (I'm sorry, > > I've > > > > > forgotten his name) noticing that the bacteria around the > mold > > > had > > > > > been killed. > > > > > > > > > > Most antibiotics are now synthetically manufactured. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Hi , Thanks for the information. I'm trying to grasp an understanding that is way beyond my professional expertise so I make mistakes. Because of my exposure to mold and my genetic inability to filter mycotoxins I would become very sick I believe now from some antibiotics. My biotoxin savvy MD has told me that if I am exposed to mold again I will go down for about three weeks. I'm trying to find out which antibiotics are mycotoxins. Mycotoxin, (MY UNDERSTANDING)are from mold (fungi). I think this is a good topic. Thanks Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 No problem. while the drug may not be " mold " in and of itself, if it is derived from mold, or synthsized from chemicals produced by mold, you may react to it. Like you, I'm no chemist, but that is my understanding. > > Hi , > > Thanks for the information. I'm trying to grasp an understanding that > is way beyond my professional expertise so I make mistakes. Because of > my exposure to mold and my genetic inability to filter mycotoxins I > would become very sick I believe now from some antibiotics. My > biotoxin savvy MD has told me that if I am exposed to mold again I will > go down for about three weeks. I'm trying to find out which > antibiotics are mycotoxins. Mycotoxin, (MY UNDERSTANDING)are from mold > (fungi). > > I think this is a good topic. > > Thanks > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I was just wondering if any other folks in this group began developing gall bladder issues while or after taking antibiotics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Sometimes it takes many years for the bad effects of antibiotic use to make itself known. Go to: www.knowthecause.com and learn about this. Amber I was just wondering if any other folks in this group began developing gall bladder issues while or after taking antibiotics? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow! interesting I have/did... Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 It really is hard having gaps in the teeth. A good oral surgeon who will do a good implant is a good investment. My implant feels really good. Energy-wise, sturdy, healthy....I'm impressed. Plus, my health is so much better now than it was when I had the root canals in there. Kathy [ ] Re: Antibiotics Kathy wrote: >This is why I quit taking MMS...As soon as I get done with the antibiotics I well start doing the MMS again. < TRAITOR! Nah, just kidding. I have had to stop MMS for a while too, to do some serious rebuilding. Taking DMSO showed me some areas that I need to work on. I think I have reached a point of relative safety and equilibrium for a time right now, as far as my main infection goes. When I start back, I will be trying fresh lemon juice as an activator. I utterly understand about the teeth. I lost four tooth roots to my infection. Daddybob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1299 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 9:08 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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