Re: What exactly causes GB attack ?

February 15, 2008

From what I've read it's usually the second one, but I

also just read that if the bile can not excrete

properly that it can become thick and cause pain as

well.

Basically a stone tries to get out and either gets

stuck in the opening or worse, in the bile or

pancreatic duct. I've also read that large stones

tend to cause less pain because they are too large to

get through the opening, so they just sit in the

gallbladder.

Here are some informative sites.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00165.html

http://www.dekalbsurgical.com/gallstones_and_gallbladder.html

http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/gallstones/GS_symptoms.html

I think your idea is correct, the mid size stones try

to get out and irritate the gallbladder. At least

that's what I've gathered from everything I've read.

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February 15, 2008

When you eat lipids the gallbladder contracts to empty the concentrated bile

that it stores into the duct leading to the small intestine. If there is

crepitus or stones that it cannot excrete and empty all of the contents, it will

continue to contract and contract in an attempt to empty. It is literally a

charlie horse of the gallbladder muscle. Like a leg cramp but you can't point

your toes towards your head to stretch it out! The stones or sludge do not have

to be stuck in or at the duct. When the pain subsides the muscle has relaxed

for whatever reason. Muscle relaxing herbs and magnesium may be very effective

in relieving the cramp. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Sridevi Rajesh<mailto:raj_sri@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:56 AM

Subject: What exactly causes GB attack ?

Hi all:

What exactly causes pain/discomfort during a GB

attack ?

Is it due to movement of gallstones in the gallbladder

preventing the proper flow of bile out it.. Or small

gallstones getting moved up from the gallbladder and

getting struck at the entrance of bile duct ?

In my case, my ultrasound should that my bile ducts

were fine and no signs of gallstones or inflammation.

But my gallbladder as multiple mid-size stones.

So when I experience pain, Is it when then gallstones

are trying to move up the bile duct and getting

struck. So when the pain is gone, does it mean that

the gallstones fall back to it's place in the

gallbladder.

Pls share your thoughts.

Cheers,

Rajesh

February 15, 2008

Hi Dave:

Any recommendation of Herbs for relieving the

stomach cramps ( pain during GB attack ).

Thanks in advance,

Rajesh

--- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

> When you eat lipids the gallbladder contracts to

> empty the concentrated bile that it stores into the

> duct leading to the small intestine. If there is

> crepitus or stones that it cannot excrete and empty

> all of the contents, it will continue to contract

> and contract in an attempt to empty. It is

> literally a charlie horse of the gallbladder muscle.

> Like a leg cramp but you can't point your toes

> towards your head to stretch it out! The stones or

> sludge do not have to be stuck in or at the duct.

> When the pain subsides the muscle has relaxed for

> whatever reason. Muscle relaxing herbs and

> magnesium may be very effective in relieving the

> cramp. -D

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Sridevi

> Rajesh<mailto:raj_sri@...>

> To:

>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

>

> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:56 AM

> Subject: What exactly causes GB

> attack ?

>

> Hi all:

>

> What exactly causes pain/discomfort during a GB

> attack ?

>

> Is it due to movement of gallstones in the

> gallbladder

> preventing the proper flow of bile out it.. Or

> small

> gallstones getting moved up from the gallbladder

> and

> getting struck at the entrance of bile duct ?

>

> In my case, my ultrasound should that my bile

> ducts

> were fine and no signs of gallstones or

> inflammation.

> But my gallbladder as multiple mid-size stones.

> So when I experience pain, Is it when then

> gallstones

> are trying to move up the bile duct and getting

> struck. So when the pain is gone, does it mean

> that

> the gallstones fall back to it's place in the

> gallbladder.

>

> Pls share your thoughts.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Rajesh

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

February 15, 2008

Wild cherry bark, Jamaican dogwood, cramp bark, apricot pit are all

possibilities. The main one I use with clients is wild cherry. Are you here in

the states or in India? If India, A Chinese herb called corydalis may be best.

-D