Re: Ok..I have plan B, Does this make sense...adrenals/thryoid/iodine connection?

February 28, 2006

What adrenal support are you using? I'm curious why wait so long to start your Armour? Do you have Hashi's?

I only used adrenal support (Isocort at the time) for a week before I added in my first 1/4 grain of Armour. My adrenals tested low on the adrenal fatigue level, close to adrenal exhaustion, at the time.

The only comment I have is that you are starting a lot of therapies (even though they are related) at the same time. It may make it tricky to track your symptoms and what is caused by what... BTW, are you taking your temps a la www.drrind.com ?

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On 2/28/06, lwenzloff <lwenzloff@...> wrote:

I've tried to gather all the advice I've read over the last two weeks, and formulate an itelligent approach to all of this. Keep in mind, I have adrenal fatigue and hypo. I scored a 72% on the iodine loading test. I tried iodoral, but it is too strong for me right now. All of this done in conjunction with ND. At this point, however, is where I have issue with his suggested treatment. I agree DHEA is helping me, but other than that he says only vitamins/minerals for a while. Maybe I'm impatient?? I just want to see if you all notice any obvious flaws in my logic. THanks. W " PLAN B "

1ST WEEK:1. Treat adrenalsOption 1: Continue with DHEA (2 in the am) and add Phosphatidyl Serine at night. If this doesn't work:Option 2: Start with Hydrocortisone (20mg/day). 10mg in am, +4 hours another 5mg, +4 hours another 5mg

2. Continue estrogen (research later-necessary?), pregnenolone, vitamins2nd WEEK:1. Continue adrenal treatment as above2. Add iodine again in form of kelp pills, 330 mcg iodine, start with 2

3rd WEEK:1.Continue adrenal treatment as above2.Continue iodine, upping dose slowly3.Add Armour for thyroida.Start 30mg (1/2 grain)b.Increase ¼ grain every 2 weeks till 3 grains

February 28, 2006

>

> What adrenal support are you using? I'm curious why wait so long

to start

> your Armour? Do you have Hashi's?

I have been on DHEA 20mg in the am for the couple of weeks. I don't

have Hashi's. As I understand from Val, adrenals should be treated a

week or so before the Armour is started. Also, I haven't ordered the

Armour yet...that's what I'm researching right now.

> The only comment I have is that you are starting a lot of

therapies (even

> though they are related) at the same time. It may make it tricky

to track

> your symptoms and what is caused by what... BTW, are you taking

your temps a

> la www.drrind.com ?

True, but I'm thinking this would be a way to ease into. Adrenal

supplements ok so far, iodoral was a disaster, so I was hoping if

kelp would cause a problem I would know in a week. I thought I read

today that hypo shouldn't be treated alone in an iodine-deficient

state, thus the kelp first.

I have been doing the temps since 2/13:

97.1,97.7,98,97.5,98,97.3,97.7,98.1,97.5,97.7,97.3,97.9,97.7,97.6,97.

2,97.7 Averaging around 97.4 to 97.7 bouncing up and down. Any other

thoughts? Thanks!

February 28, 2006

yes. Taking iodine without adrenal support is a bit like taking Armour without adrenal support - if you need adrenal support. Maybe you can get by only using DHEA for support. Most of us with weakened adrenals need a source of cortisol such as Isocort, Cortef, H/C or such, in order for the thyroid hormones to get into our tissues. Without the cortisol/cortisone the thyroid just builds in our blood making us feel like you did when you took the Iodoral.

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I don't know what you read but treating with Armour is not predicated upon treating with iodine first. In fact there a lot of us with Hashi's who use Armour and have had to be very careful of other sources of iodine because it can aggravate the autoimmune condition. Yes, I know, now, Brownstein and Peatfield are advocating low doses even in Hashi's but many of us started successfully treating with Armour before this latest shift in opinion.

You have lots of good info. I look forward to hearing how you feel when you start your adrenal support and your Armour! It won't surprise me if those of us who have supplemented with Armour/adrenal support for a while tolerate the iodine supplements better after we feel a bit more recovered...

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On 2/28/06, lwenzloff <lwenzloff@...> wrote:

>> What adrenal support are you using? I'm curious why wait so long to start

> your Armour? Do you have Hashi's?I have been on DHEA 20mg in the am for the couple of weeks. I don't have Hashi's. As I understand from Val, adrenals should be treated a week or so before the Armour is started. Also, I haven't ordered the Armour yet...that's what I'm researching right now.> The only comment I have is that you are starting a lot of therapies (even> though they are related) at the same time. It may make it tricky to track> your symptoms and what is caused by what... BTW, are you taking your temps a> la www.drrind.com

?True, but I'm thinking this would be a way to ease into. Adrenal supplements ok so far, iodoral was a disaster, so I was hoping if kelp would cause a problem I would know in a week. I thought I read today that hypo shouldn't be treated alone in an iodine-deficient state, thus the kelp first.I have been doing the temps since 2/13:97.1,97.7,98,97.5,98,97.3,97.7,98.1,97.5,97.7,97.3,97.9,97.7,97.6,97.

2,97.7 Averaging around 97.4 to 97.7 bouncing up and down. Any other thoughts? Thanks!

March 1, 2006

Dear and W,

The two of you have created a very interesting series of posts.

You raise a very important issue: How does one integrate iodine supplementation with the various other supplements likely to be necessary for someone with low thyroid and adrenals?

You seem to be developing a possible protocol for the person in this situation. Very interesting.

I'm wondering if this might be the beginning of a new collection on this site: Potential protocols for various circumstances.

You've made me aware that the individual person is always dealing with things besides just supplementing iodine. How might we be able to better assist people in this process?