Re: AMBER and whomever else had a problem with my post...Re:Who else in the group has a low functioning GB?

February 19, 2008

I totally agree that you (and everyone else) has to do what you deem best for

your body. If you are leaning toward surgery, perhaps you should join a group

of people who had had this surgery so that they can help you. This group is for

people who do not want surgery and are doing everything we can to keep our

internal organs. Perhaps that's why you aren't getting satisfactory answers to

your questions. I mean this for your very best interest.

Amber

I finally got

answers to questions I've been asking the group all

along, thanks to the surgeon. I felt very alone on

this. I had 2 responses to any question I posted. I

needed answers and I have them now. Now, I get aw hole

lot of criticism after posting what the surgeon told

me. AMAZING! I have to do what is BEST for me.

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February 20, 2008

you really didn't get my email.. it's okay! I NEVER

said I WAS going to have surgery or I was leaning

toward that. Did I? I have joined other groups. I like

to learn and research. I have learned from this list.

All the diferent supplements. If you wish I leave so

be it. But I will always have an open mind.

Angie

February 20, 2008

Well, I certainly don't wish anyone to LEAVE. People can be members of more

than one group. Maybe it wasn't you, but someone here was talking about having

surgery. My point is that if someone is leaning toward surgery, they can

probably be helped more by people who have actually gone through it.

Amber

you really didn't get my email.. it's okay! I NEVER

said I WAS going to have surgery or I was leaning

toward that. Did I? I have joined other groups. I like

to learn and research. I have learned from this list.

All the diferent supplements. If you wish I leave so

be it. But I will always have an open mind.

Angie

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February 20, 2008

I also did everything....i did have a basically non functioning at all like i

said before and a cluster of stones....but for my case i did have it taken

out......all it would have done is gotten worse of course it might have not but

it could have and that was a bigger risk...so i know exactly what you mean so if

you ever need anyone to talk about feel free to email me

admilby@... wrote: You can think of it 2 different ways, you

mentioned

the value. At 21% function, I feel its value is

declining. It is 79% useless at this point. As far as

wanting the surgery, I would like to keep the GB if

there was absolutely no chance of it causing a bigger

problem in the future. For me peace of mind is

important, without always having a concern about every

pain I may have in my abdomen being a potential GB

attack that could require emergency surgery. 2. Do I

want surgery? I'm NOT crazy. Of course NOT! Am I going

to try alternatives? Of course I am. I finally got

answers to questions I've been asking the group all

along, thanks to the surgeon. I felt very alone on

this. I had 2 responses to any question I posted. I

needed answers and I have them now. Now, I get aw hole

lot of criticism after posting what the surgeon told

me. AMAZING! I have to do what is BEST for me. Every

ones situation is different. If I chose to or chose

NOT to, know that I have PRAYED on, researched it, and

done all I could to make this choice. I hope that last

post helped someone in the group.

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Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

February 20, 2008

I wouldn't be so quick to limit this group as only existing for " people who do

not want surgery . . . " I've been here for almost 7 years, 4 1/2 of those

without a gallbladder. Most of the health information disseminated here is good

for anyone to follow, with or without a gallbladder. Dave's learned advice alone

is worth the price of admission! :-) Newbies are quite often in a state of

panic when they first come on here and don't always sound as if they are fully

committed to the alternative treatment. That's not a bad thing. Rational people

gather information and think things through before making decisions. Decisions

made in haste based only on emotional responses to a problem are often regretted

later. This can certainly apply to someone getting their gallbladder jerked out

first thing. But it can also apply to someone who insists on pursuing one and

only one healing course of action, even natural, if it does not seem to be

solving the problem.

I don't think this group is so unsure of itself that it is incapable of coping

with legitimate questions from frightened newcomers. Now trolls or others

looking to simply cause trouble, that's another story. But to banish someone to

another list simply because they think maybe they need to have the surgery, is

not what we're about here. At least it wasn't the way this list functioned when

I first joined. Are those of us who have had our gallbladders removed to be

banished too? What if we cannot in honesty claim that we are dying or otherwise

in much worse health since having our gallbladders out? Should we be kicked out

because our scenario does not match the " party line " that says if you get your

gallbladder out the rest of your life you will suffer miserably with all manner

of health problems? What if, after having the surgery we follow some of the good

advice on here and find our health, even our digestive health to be vastly

improved from what it was even years before the surgery? Would that not be a

good thing?

I would hate to see this become such an elitist group that only a few people,

all with the same ideas and in the same " condition " , could belong.

AMDG,

Colleen Kessler

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:56 PM

Subject: Re: AMBER and whomever else had a problem with my

post...Re:Who else in the group has a low functioning GB?

I totally agree that you (and everyone else) has to do what you deem best for

your body. If you are leaning toward surgery, perhaps you should join a group of

people who had had this surgery so that they can help you. This group is for

people who do not want surgery and are doing everything we can to keep our

internal organs. Perhaps that's why you aren't getting satisfactory answers to

your questions. I mean this for your very best interest.

Amber

I finally got

answers to questions I've been asking the group all

along, thanks to the surgeon. I felt very alone on

this. I had 2 responses to any question I posted. I

needed answers and I have them now. Now, I get aw hole

lot of criticism after posting what the surgeon told

me. AMAZING! I have to do what is BEST for me.

.

February 21, 2008

Well, this is where I got the idea that this group was for people who were

trying to keep their GBs and did not want surgery. It's from the website for

the group:

Description

Liver cleanse - Gallbladder cleanse - Liver flush - NO surgery, Gallstones

cleanse instead of surgery.' Support e-group!

Holy cow, I was trying to be helpful to that person insisting on surgery that

she might get valuable info from joining a group of people who had gone through

the surgery. Who else to better understand? I never said she needed to leave

this group! I said something to the effect that people don't need to be limited

to just one group. I was trying to be helpful and I'm sorry if you took it

wrong.

Amber

I wouldn't be so quick to limit this group as only existing for " people who do

not want surgery . . . "

But to banish someone to another list simply because they think maybe they

need to have the surgery, is not what we're about here.

AMDG,

Colleen Kessler

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February 21, 2008

Thank you Colleen. My experience is people who are minus their gallbladders are

just as beautiful and worthy as those who retain them. Liver and gallbladder

health is the same with or without and the information shared on this group is

as valuable for those who have had surgery as those who have not. It is kind of

like in acupuncture; If you have your gallbladder removed you still have the

gallbladder meridian. Or, in the case of an amputee, the energetics remain and

hence one can have " phantom " pains, which they are not. The idea here is to

help each other with our goals no matter the decisions we make. There are no

" right " or " wrong " ones, just those we make in as informed a state as possible

(hopefully). As adamant as I am about the attempt to save an organ, there are

times where surgery is not only necessary but may be life saving. Thankfully we

have arrived at a time in medicine where this can be done with a minimum of

disruption. Can any of us imagine what this discussion would have been like

before anesthetics, antibiotics, or pain killers? Let's face it; this is about

as innocuous an organ removal as any we can encounter (try kidneys, thyroid,

colon, stomach, etc.). Those who have, can lead an enjoyable and productive

life. Having said that, I am here to help all who would chose to save this very

valuable organ. And for those who have had it removed, there is a

compromization of the body that requests some attention...

-Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Kessler<mailto:tcjak86@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: Re: AMBER and whomever else had a problem with my

post...Re:Who else in the group has a low functioning GB?

I wouldn't be so quick to limit this group as only existing for " people who do

not want surgery . . . " I've been here for almost 7 years, 4 1/2 of those

without a gallbladder. Most of the health information disseminated here is good

for anyone to follow, with or without a gallbladder. Dave's learned advice alone

is worth the price of admission! :-) Newbies are quite often in a state of panic

when they first come on here and don't always sound as if they are fully