Soy Milk

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Like you I need my latté but I have a sensitivity to cow's milk but not to

goat's milk. I have been using it now for about three months and I don't

see any difference even my friends are enjoying my latté with the goat's

milk. Mado

rheumatic Soy Milk

>From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

>I am a lover of milk, chocolate milk, latte's, mochas, etc. Obviously,

>by what I have read, that is something I have had to give up. I went

>today and purchased soy milk to drink in my coffee here at home. Is

>this okay? Anybody know anything about soy milk? It wasn't as bad as I

>was thinking it would be but then, I think I wanted it really badly.

>Thanks.

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

, the only thing I can tell you is that your children may be allergic to

soy .If so this and many other foods that your children are alllergic to can

cause a leaky gut.My son is on that diet and we went 1 step further and had

blood work done. He was a +2 for soy. I couldn't believe it, so we took him

off it since he has a slight leaky gut. Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

> 2 Drs

> from the FDA in the USA are saying soy milk is not safe especially in

> infants and should be avoided if at all possible.

>

I don't know the story that aired. Just a couple of comments

though. Soy milk in infants (under 12 months) should be

avoided for much the same reasons that cows milk should be

avoided. The nutritional/fat content is not in the best interest

of the infant. There have been cases where parents try to

substitute breastmilk or formula with soy milk in young infants.

Is this what they were speaking of? If the child is over 12 months

though, it shouldn't be much of a big deal.

Soy contains hormone-like compounds called

phytoestrogens. This has raised some concerns for

scientists but a clear idea what this compound does to a

child is under debate- especially for male children. phytoestrogens

can be beneficial to women. Some have speculated that

these compounds can cause delayed puberty in males or

depress thyroid function. However, there is no real concrete

evidence on this that *I* am a aware of (I could be

wrong of course.)

We use soy a lot in our house. My children prefer soy milk

over rice milk. This is what I weaned all them onto. We

also use tofu and TVP. However, it is important to note

that Soy is actually a very allergenic food. It is right up

there with wheat and cow milk. If your child is especially

sensitive, this might pose a problem.

There are other options for milk drinking to include rice

milks, potatoe milk, almond milk, etc. The only worry I

would have is fat content. Just make sure their diet is

compensated. People fall into the trap of thinking cows

milk is a " must " but in reality, you can add fat to your

childs diet in other ways. Sometimes it is as simple as adding

a teaspoon of olive oil to their pasta or beans.

If soy is in almost all aspects of your children's diet (their

drinks , the daily meals, etc) you might want to consider

reducing it in favour of a more balanced approach.

(this coming from a parent whose children ate mostly

peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches during the last chaotic

week! )

[Guest guest]

,

Mocha Mix is a brand name for a liquid non-dairy creamer usually used in

coffee as a substitute for cream. There are other brands; however, you

really have to watch the ingredients. For example, Coffee Mate, a

competetor, used to be milk free. But, within the last few months they have

changed the ingredients to include a slight amount of milk product, yet still

advertize as " dairy free " .

Mocha Mix does have some soy product in it. But much less than soy milk.

I'm not sure wether it is sold outside of the U.S. or not. It is distributed

in the U.S. by " Presto Foods, Inc. " P.O. Box 584, City of Industry, CA

91747-0584. Their web address is:

http://www.prestofoods.com

Rice Milk is also another substitute the we use alternatively.

Good Luck!

Tina Hendrix

In a message dated 7/17/00 6:34:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

johnson1@... writes:

<< Thank you so much to , Tina & for your replys. Can I

ask Tina is Mocha Mix a brand name and where would I get such from, a

heath shop or is it something that would only be available in the USA? >>

[Guest guest]

The issue with soy products is that soy is a hormone imitator (sort of, if

you want a full explanation I'll provide it but it's long) that is great for

perimenopausal women but the effect on children is unknown. The oriental diet

is rich in soy but not the convenient soy products that we have invented. We

use rice milk. I would not use soy milk on a regular basis for a child if I

could use rice however I would use it moderately because it is a wonderful

food. Kathy

[Guest guest]

jenny, I just read your e-mail about your 10 month old. You asked about

goat's milk. I am a nurse practitioner and just recently had a 10 month old

whom parents had placed on goat's milk. The pediatrician and I did a little

research on this. Goat's milk is, overall, closer to human milk than cow's

milk is. The concern is that your baby is under one year. You need to be

careful about a few things. First, make sure the goat's milk is pasteurized

(to prevent brucellosis, a pretty nasty intestinal bacteria) and you need to

supplement with iron and folic acid. I'm not sure how all this relates to

casein. Maybe some other parents could help you with this.

P.S. What part of Australia? My husband is from there. He has always

wanted to take me there.

[Guest guest]

,

Goats milk is often a good alternative to cow's milk, as the protein in this

milk is usually easier to digest. Dr Goldberg recommends to try it - but for

our son - he is allergic to it too! I would be wary of oat milk, as this is

a member of the same family as wheat - and has a high gluten content. Most

health food shops in Australia will carry potato and possibly almond milk.

We recently visited my family in western NSW and were very surprised to find

two health food shops which carried gluten free/casein free bread - we

didn't have to bake!!! In Singapore, a lot of special health foods actually

come in from Australia. As far as diet is concerned, it is imperative to

consult a good paediatrician who understands your child's condition.

soy milk

Thank you so much to , Tina & for your replys. Can I

ask Tina is Mocha Mix a brand name and where would I get such from, a

heath shop or is it something that would only be available in the USA?

, thanks for your input. The article was along the lines you

mentioned and these two particular Drs now have the concrete evidence

to say that soy can cause Alzheimers type problems in older men,

breast cancer in suseptible women and they aren't quite sure what the

ramifications are to baby boys but say it should definitely be

avoided. As our son is only 10 months old this is of great concern

to us in case it should cause problems to the development of his

organs etc. Thank you for the suggestion of Almond and Potato milk,

I was not aware of these products and will have to find out if they

are available in Australia. I have tried Oat and Rice milk with our

older son but unfortunately he hated them and would not drink them

even when with tried adding flavourings (not that he's allowed to

have flavourings either anyway). Would it be okay to put a 10 month

old on these products though? A friend suggested goats milk - what

do you think of that or is that classified the same as cow's milk?

Since he was 6 months old have been giving the baby soy custard for

dessert and soy yogurt with breakfast and of course soy milk on his

rice porridge but now with him weaning himself we would have to give

it to him to drink as well, I take it you wouldn't consider this

balanced? He does have a full meat and vegetable or fruit meals for

lunch and dinner.

Thanks for your reply

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[Guest guest]

,

Perth and Singapore are the same time zone - PDT is Pacific Daylight Saving

time in the US - its 15 hours behind us. Dr Goldberg's chat is 7pm Tuesday

evening, PDT which means its 10am Wednesday in Perth!

hope this helps

PS: watch the daylight saving time change - it becomes 16 hours behind then

ie: when the US reverts to winter time - then some states in Australia go to

daylight saving too, does WA? It would be 17 hours then.

soy milk

Thank you to everyone who responded regarding my query on soy milk

you have all been most helpful although its still a worrying time for

us and we shall probably try a few things before we end up making our

mind up. I think I would like to talk to Dr Goldberg regarding the

problem when he is in line one night to see his opinion however I am

confused as to what PDT stands for to try to work out the time

difference between us as I am based in Perth, Western Australia (I'm

sure your husband will of heard of it ) so if anyone can help me

in that regard I would appreciate it or better still if anyone is

talking to him on line and can ask him for me that would be fantastic

too as that way I may not have to get up in the middle of the night

or something!

Thank you all again for responding

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/17/2000 7:13:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

JOSKAT95@... writes:

<< The issue with soy products is that soy is a hormone imitator (sort of, if

you want a full explanation I'll provide it but it's long) that is great for

perimenopausal women but the effect on children is unknown. >

My son does not drinks soy milk but he eat the whole soybeans . could you

direct me to the website. thanks kelly

[Guest guest]

I did not get the information from a website I got it from a year and a half

long project I did for the US Army on Breast Cancer Prevention which caused

me to read about 25 books and a couple thousand articles on Breast Cancer. I

think websites are great but for medical research I have to go to Journals

that have editors who will stand by the articles that they publish. KathyR

[Guest guest]

We use rice milk. You might try it.

[ ] Soy milk

Hi. My son Hal drinks a concoction of 4oz. Soymilk, 3oz water,

and 1oz, white grape juice. We are concerned that he may have a

problem with the soy but can't get him to drink anything else. Any

ldea how much peptizyde he would need per 8oz glass to help digest

this? Should I use HN-zyme in it too? Also can the enzymes be used

in a drink to predigest the proteins and other stuff, similar to the

way enzymes are put in the 'Lactaid' milk? If so how long would it

have to sit, and at what temp? thanks, G.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Can you tell me what type of rice milk you use. Is it in liquid or

powder form. I think some one on this list mentioned " Better than Milk

Rice milk " . Please can you post the web site to order, Is it in powder

form. I am looking for a rice milk preferbly in powder form.

Thanks

Vinutha

[Guest guest]

be careful...many brands use barley protein in processing and that has

gluten...I use Pacific Foods brand rice milk and get it through a health

food store....Pacific foods is at 503-692-9666. You don't need to

refrigerate this until container is opened...then it lasts about 10 days

in refrigerator....I never go that long...the stuff keeps for over 6

months on the self.

Jeanne A. Brohart

vinutha shekhar wrote:

> Hello,

> Can you tell me what type of rice milk you use. Is it in liquid

> or

> powder form. I think some one on this list mentioned " Better than

> Milk

> Rice milk " . Please can you post the web site to order, Is it in powder

>

> form. I am looking for a rice milk preferbly in powder form.

> Thanks

>

> Vinutha

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vinutha - I use " Naturally Preferred " soy milk and I know they have rice milk

too. I called the company and confirmed the soy was gfcf a long time ago but

I didn't check the status on the rice milk. It is liquid and I buy it at

Fred Meyers and QFC in the health food section (on the shelf not the

refrigerator -- needs refrigeration after opening). The price is usually

around $1.50 for a 32 oz box but it goes on sale all the time for $0.99. I

don't see a web address on the box at all but there is a 1-800 #

(1-800-697-2448). Also, gfcfdiet.com has a list of acceptable rice and soy

milk brands if you need that.

Tana

In a message dated 2/2/02 6:36:51 AM, writes:

<<

Hello,

Can you tell me what type of rice milk you use. Is it in liquid or

powder form. I think some one on this list mentioned " Better than Milk

Rice milk " . Please can you post the web site to order, Is it in powder

form. I am looking for a rice milk preferbly in powder form.

Thanks

Vinutha>>

[Guest guest]

I took my daughter off of milk and put her on a soy formula (Enfamil Next

Step - 12 months to 3 years). She had stopped her babbling (she's now 14

months old) and we had suspected an intolerance to her milk. Apparently,

after a bout with a cold or virus, a child can become intolerant to dairy for

a brief period of time. She has had an increase in babbling. I can't say if

it is the soy or just typical development for her but I can assure you I am

not putting her back on milk just yet.

Janet

[Guest guest]

We have recently taken my 4 year old daughter, diagnosed oral &

verbal apraxia, hypotonia and possibly ADHD, off all dairy products

and switched her to soy and rice-based products. We did this

approximately 4 weeks ago. We have seen a noticeable improvement in

both her speech and her attention/behavior. She is listening,

obeying, etc. We were actually able to take her to her sister's

soccer game this past weekend and she stayed with us, without running

off.

In addition, this past weekend, I took her to have her picture taken

(it was her birthday) and the photographer mentioned how much she

talked for a 4-year old and how smart she was! She had no idea that

Hannah had any problems! Then yesterday, my husband was at the

playground and my daughter was trying to tell him something about

an " octopus " . He couldn't understand what she was saying, however

one of the other mother's there, immediately said she is

saying " octopus " ! He was so excited that someone else was able to

understand her!

Please keep in mind that in addition, to switching her off the dairy

products, I have been supplementing with EFA supplements as well as

intensive speech therapy, along with physical therapy and

occupational therapy.

Kate Schutzler

mother to Hannah,4, verbal & oral apraxia, and Maggie, 8

Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone

I was wondering if anyone heard of Soy milk being dangerous for children with

special needs?

Will can't drink whole milk because it causes him to get a lot of fleme in

his throat which in returns he gets an ear infection.

I would appreciate your thoughts.

Take Care

Lori

[Guest guest]

I know you are suppossed to stay away from dairy products for your gallbladder

and I do have stones but I love dairy products especially milk and

cheese.......since soy milk is from a plant is that ok for me to have and also

is there any cheese thats ok for me to eat...Thanks

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[Guest guest]

I can't find raw dairy products where I live, but we do have organic. I can

drink organic whole milk and I love it. Also buy cottage cheese made from

organic milk. And I can handle a few organic eggs. I wouldn't touch soy.

Amber

The ONLY dairy product I can eat is cheese made from RAW milk.

arlene moore <amoore0806@...> wrote: I know you are suppossed to stay

away from dairy products for your gallbladder and I do have stones but I love

dairy products especially milk and cheese.......since soy milk is from a plant

is that ok for me to have and also is there any cheese thats ok for me to

eat...Thanks

.

[Guest guest]

Interested to know what part of the country you live that does not

carry raw dairy!

All the best

FB

On Jan 26, 2008, at 8:53 PM, Amber wrote:

> I can't find raw dairy products where I live, but we do have

> organic. I can drink organic whole milk and I love it. Also buy

> cottage cheese made from organic milk. And I can handle a few

> organic eggs. I wouldn't touch soy.

>

> Amber

>

> The ONLY dairy product I can eat is cheese made from RAW milk.

>

> arlene moore <amoore0806@...> wrote: I know you are suppossed

> to stay away from dairy products for your gallbladder and I do have

> stones but I love dairy products especially milk and

> cheese.......since soy milk is from a plant is that ok for me to

> have and also is there any cheese thats ok for me to eat...Thanks

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As much as I do not like to say this as 1) it turns people off and 2)

it is disconcerting as to what we have done and continue to do to our

food supply. I do not know if anyone remembers Surgeon General C

Everett Koop- he was fired the very next day after he proclaimed to

the world on the front page of the NY Times that cow's milk if not

good for human consumption. There is a wealth of empirical evidence to

that effect and in addition a wealth of evidence that dairy is one of

the leading causes of illness in healthy people not to mention there

are numerous bacteria carried in dairy that are passed on through

consumption. But, hey do not take my word for it - google away. There

is a great health practitioner , and I do not use the word " great "

lightly, who shares this view, check out his homepage, www.mmvbs.com.

I too was a skeptic until I could no longer ignore the research. Raw,

organic dairy is better than commercial but nowadays the feed and the

water can no longer be trusted.

Good luck

FB

On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Gallassero wrote:

> The ONLY dairy product I can eat is cheese made from RAW milk.

>

> arlene moore <amoore0806@...> wrote: I know you are suppossed

> to stay away from dairy products for your gallbladder and I do have

> stones but I love dairy products especially milk and

> cheese.......since soy milk is from a plant is that ok for me to

> have and also is there any cheese thats ok for me to eat...Thanks

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I live in a very small rural town in No. Central Texas. We're lucky to even

have a Walmart here. I have to make an 80 mile round trip to get good produce.

Amber

Interested to know what part of the country you live that does not

carry raw dairy!

.

[Guest guest]

Wow, ya got that right. The next best thing I can do it to drink organic whole

milk. I do not have issues with milk, so I can enjoy it. However, I ate half a

hard boiled egg this morning and later on had an uncomfortable feeling in the GB

area. I took two A-F Betafood tablets and it got better. This has happened to

me before when I tried an egg. I can eat them in baked custard with no

problems, but evidently not hard boiled. I won't do that again. It's too bad

because I know that eggs are good, as a general rule. Just not to good for

people with GB problems.

Amber

I too was a skeptic until I could no longer ignore the research. Raw,

organic dairy is better than commercial but nowadays the feed and the

water can no longer be trusted.

Good luck

FB

.

[Guest guest]

I second that! There is tons of info on the web about how dairy is bad

for you. (Raw goat's milk may be the exception.)

I use to get 1 or 2 sinus infections every year and had trouble getting

over them - weeks of hacking, coughing, etc. ended up getting sinus

surgery. What a mistake! Didn't help and left me with ringing in my

ears.

Found out later from an Weil book how the vast majority of his

sinus sufferers improved greatly when reducing dairy. I tried it -

reduced about 75% of my dairy intake. I haven't had a cold or sinus

infection in years. Amazing! It is like I have a new life.

But there are many other downsides to dairy as well including gumming

up your intestines. Google away!

I now consume zero dairy in my battle against candida which is a whole

other story...

[Guest guest]

There is a difference between conventional dairy and raw dairy, so not

sure if you are lumping all dairy together. On the flip side, there

have been people that got better from severe illnesses by only

consuming raw milk.

Evie

--- In gallstones , " fjnie1234 " <Fred.Niehaus@...>

wrote:

>

> I second that! There is tons of info on the web about how dairy is

bad

> for you.