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Hello Everyone:

I've read and read all of the reasons for rotating, and understand the reasoning behind it. However, I read an entire book on Olive Leaf Extract, and apparently, the yeast does not mutate to or become resistant to Olive leaf Extract. Has anyone else heard this??? I'm just curious as I was taking it for about four months straight???? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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I have always been told to rotate, rotate, rotate....that the yeasties just

get so easily immune to things. I guess we have to constantly trick

them...:)

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Hi: I'm new to the group and I just discovered the root of all my sorrow!

YEAST! Sigh... Anyway... My Homeopath put me on the following and I'd like

to know if anyone else has had experience with this type of regime. It

seems there is a diff. regime for each person out there!

Phellostatin - A Chinese Traditional Formula for Candida

Shen-Gem - (same, but for sleep and energy balance and regulation due to

adrenal gland exhaustion)

Ultra Flora Plus - Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifodobacterium infantis

Plus I take a multi vitiamin (without yeast), every other day on my own and

Flax Seed Oil and Maganesium.

She said to pay attention to my diet as far as yeast intake and sugars but

not to get to obsessed about it all. But from what I am reading it is very

important to take the diet seriously.

Any thoughts and expereince anyone can send my way would be much

appreciated. I've been dibilitated with this problem, it seems from my

history, ALL of my life and I certainly want to be rid of it! So.. that

means I want to do what is going to help me the most!

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,

Diet is the answer. NOT watch your sugars... thats

not good information for your problem. We are all

different and what works for one may not aother.

I will send you an invitation to my private support

group for YeastFriends of Candidas.

BonnieAnn

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> Hi: I'm new to the group and I just discovered the

> root of all my sorrow!

> YEAST! Sigh... Anyway... My Homeopath put me on the

> following and I'd like

> to know if anyone else has had experience with this

> type of regime. It

> seems there is a diff. regime for each person out

> there!

>

> Phellostatin - A Chinese Traditional Formula for

> Candida

> Shen-Gem - (same, but for sleep and energy balance

> and regulation due to

> adrenal gland exhaustion)

> Ultra Flora Plus - Lactobacillus acidophilus and

> Bifodobacterium infantis

>

> Plus I take a multi vitiamin (without yeast), every

> other day on my own and

> Flax Seed Oil and Maganesium.

>

> She said to pay attention to my diet as far as yeast

> intake and sugars but

> not to get to obsessed about it all. But from what

> I am reading it is very

> important to take the diet seriously.

>

> Any thoughts and expereince anyone can send my way

> would be much

> appreciated. I've been dibilitated with this

> problem, it seems from my

> history, ALL of my life and I certainly want to be

> rid of it! So.. that

> means I want to do what is going to help me the

> most!

>

>

> http://www.funkywhitegirl.com

>

> R & B Artist of the Year - LA Music Awards

> R & B Song of the Year Runner Up -

> Lennon Songwriting Contest

>

> To Subscribe to my monthly 'funkywhitegirl newscast'

> - Email:

> FwgNewsPlease@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Moons,

YOUR RIGHT ON WITH THIS ONE.... THOSE DARN BUGGERS

TAKE ROOT AND ARE VERY SMART.....

BONNIEANN

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> I have always been told to rotate, rotate,

> rotate....that the yeasties just

> get so easily immune to things. I guess we have to

> constantly trick

> them...:)

>

> moons

>

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BonnieAnn,

I know those yeasties are more stubborn than I am! And that is not an easy

task...LOL

What I don't understand is...and I am sure I have asked this before...but if

yeast doesn't get resistant to grapefruit seed extract...why couldn't a

health dose of GSE, Probiotics and sticking to the diet rid those creatures?

Oh and taking the biotin so more can't grow?

> Moons,

>

> YOUR RIGHT ON WITH THIS ONE.... THOSE DARN BUGGERS

> TAKE ROOT AND ARE VERY SMART.....

>

> BONNIEANN

>

>

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I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them both

almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will have to do

some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot become immune

to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However, I could be

wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states that this

is true).

-Patty

>From: Mhidinout@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

>

>Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL antifungals?

>

>I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions, but I

>haven't

>seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

>

>Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau D'Arco, &

>Garlic) regardless of rotation.

>

>Thank you!

>

>Chris

>

>

>

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Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

thanks,

jewel

> I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

both

> almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

have to do

> some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

become immune

> to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

I could be

> wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

that this

> is true).

>

> -Patty

>

> >From: Mhidinout@a...

> >Reply-candidiasis

> >candidiasis

> >Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

> >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

> >

> >Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

antifungals?

> >

> >I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

but I

> >haven't

> >seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

> >

> >Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

D'Arco, &

> >Garlic) regardless of rotation.

> >

> >Thank you!

> >

> >Chris

> >

> >

> >

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Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

thanks,

jewel

> I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

both

> almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

have to do

> some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

become immune

> to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

I could be

> wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

that this

> is true).

>

> -Patty

>

> >From: Mhidinout@a...

> >Reply-candidiasis

> >candidiasis

> >Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

> >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

> >

> >Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

antifungals?

> >

> >I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

but I

> >haven't

> >seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

> >

> >Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

D'Arco, &

> >Garlic) regardless of rotation.

> >

> >Thank you!

> >

> >Chris

> >

> >

> >

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Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

thanks,

jewel

> I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

both

> almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

have to do

> some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

become immune

> to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

I could be

> wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

that this

> is true).

>

> -Patty

>

> >From: Mhidinout@a...

> >Reply-candidiasis

> >candidiasis

> >Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

> >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

> >

> >Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

antifungals?

> >

> >I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

but I

> >haven't

> >seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

> >

> >Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

D'Arco, &

> >Garlic) regardless of rotation.

> >

> >Thank you!

> >

> >Chris

> >

> >

> >

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I chop up garlic and eat it w/my salads. I buy coconut oil online :

www.tropicaltraditions.com

Duncan also sells coconut oil. I still feel sick. Someone suggested doing

liver and colon cleanses. I think I will look into this.

-Patty

>From: " jewel89278 " <jewel89278@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

>Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:27:33 -0000

>

>Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

>cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

>

>thanks,

>jewel

>

>

>

> > I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

>both

> > almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

>have to do

> > some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

>become immune

> > to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

>I could be

> > wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

>that this

> > is true).

> >

> > -Patty

> >

> > >From: Mhidinout@a...

> > >Reply-candidiasis

> > >candidiasis

> > >Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

> > >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

> > >

> > >Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

>antifungals?

> > >

> > >I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

>but I

> > >haven't

> > >seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

> > >

> > >Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

>D'Arco, &

> > >Garlic) regardless of rotation.

> > >

> > >Thank you!

> > >

> > >Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

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what do you use for salad dressing??

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Date: 12/3/2003 5:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time

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I chop up garlic and eat it w/my salads. I buy coconut oil online :

www.tropicaltraditions.com

Duncan also sells coconut oil. I still feel sick. Someone suggested doing

liver and colon cleanses. I think I will look into this.

-Patty

>From: " jewel89278 " <jewel89278@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

>Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:27:33 -0000

>

>Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

>cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

>

>thanks,

>jewel

>

>

>

>>I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

>both

>>almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

>have to do

>>some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

>become immune

>>to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

>I could be

>>wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

>that this

>>is true).

>>

>>-Patty

>>

>>>From: Mhidinout@a...

>>>Reply-candidiasis

>>>candidiasis

>>>Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

>>>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

>>>

>>>Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

>antifungals?

>>>

>>>I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

>but I

>>>haven't

>>>seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

>>>

>>>Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

>D'Arco, &

>>>Garlic) regardless of rotation.

>>>

>>>Thank you!

>>>

>>>Chris

>>>

>>>

>>>

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thank you

can someone tell me the effects of " die-off " or whtever im strict on this

diet and herbal routine and i am no better but terribly depressed any

connection??

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salad dressing: extra virgin olive oil mixed with lime juice. I add

" real " salt (not iodinized) and parsely to spice it up.

>From: sensualwordz@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:32:30 EST

>

>what do you use for salad dressing??

>

>

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> Date: 12/3/2003 5:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time

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>

>

>I chop up garlic and eat it w/my salads. I buy coconut oil online :

>www.tropicaltraditions.com

>Duncan also sells coconut oil. I still feel sick. Someone suggested doing

>liver and colon cleanses. I think I will look into this.

>

>-Patty

>

>

>>From: " jewel89278 " <jewel89278@...>

>>Reply-candidiasis

>>candidiasis

>>Subject: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

>>Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:27:33 -0000

>>

>>Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

>>cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

>>

>>thanks,

>>jewel

>>

>>

>>

>>>I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

>>both

>>>almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

>>have to do

>>>some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

>>become immune

>>>to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

>>I could be

>>>wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

>>that this

>>>is true).

>>>

>>>-Patty

>>>

>>>>From: Mhidinout@a...

>>>>Reply-candidiasis

>>>>candidiasis

>>>>Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

>>>>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

>>>>

>>>>Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

>>antifungals?

>>>>

>>>>I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

>>but I

>>>>haven't

>>>>seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

>>>>

>>>>Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

>>D'Arco, &

>>>>Garlic) regardless of rotation.

>>>>

>>>>Thank you!

>>>>

>>>>Chris

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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salad dressing: extra virgin olive oil mixed with lime juice. I add

" real " salt (not iodinized) and parsely to spice it up.

>From: sensualwordz@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:32:30 EST

>

>what do you use for salad dressing??

>

>

>========Original Message========

>Subj: RE: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

> Date: 12/3/2003 5:07:57 PM Eastern Standard Time

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> Reply-to: <A

>HREF= " mailto:candidiasis " >candidiasis </A>

> <A

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>

>

>

>I chop up garlic and eat it w/my salads. I buy coconut oil online :

>www.tropicaltraditions.com

>Duncan also sells coconut oil. I still feel sick. Someone suggested doing

>liver and colon cleanses. I think I will look into this.

>

>-Patty

>

>

> >From: " jewel89278 " <jewel89278@...>

> >Reply-candidiasis

> >candidiasis

> >Subject: Re: Rotating AntiFungals

> >Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:27:33 -0000

> >

> >Are the coconut oil and garlic working for you? Do you eat garlic

> >cloves or take the tablets.Where do you get coconut?

> >

> >thanks,

> >jewel

> >

> >

> >

> >>I use coconut oil and garlic. I do not roatate these. I eat them

> >both

> >>almost everyday (sometimes I lay off the garlic if I know I will

> >have to do

> >>some heavy socializing). I have heard that the candida cannot

> >become immune

> >>to natural anti-fungals, so there is no need to rotate. However,

> >I could be

> >>wrong on this (i.e. I have not seen any hard evidence that states

> >that this

> >>is true).

> >>

> >>-Patty

> >>

> >>>From: Mhidinout@a...

> >>>Reply-candidiasis

> >>>candidiasis

> >>>Subject: Rotating AntiFungals

> >>>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:14:05 EST

> >>>

> >>>Can anyone please tell me if you can/should rotate NATURAL

> >antifungals?

> >>>

> >>>I know it's pretty much a must with the prescription versions,

> >but I

> >>>haven't

> >>>seen anyone mention rotating the natural ones.

> >>>

> >>>Also, what types of antifungals is anyone using? (besides Pau

> >D'Arco, &

> >>>Garlic) regardless of rotation.

> >>>

> >>>Thank you!

> >>>

> >>>Chris

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

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I have been told to rotate them every 4 days. In other words, give

one for 4 days, then switch to the next one, and keep cycling them.

This is according to

www.modernherbalist.com,

which has pretty good advice on this approach. It has worked well

for me with my son.

Terri

At 07:54 PM 1/14/2004 -0600, you wrote:

B " H

I'm not ready to start these (colloidal silver,

grapefriut seed extract, oregano oil, olive leaf extract, pau d'arco)

yet, but should they be rotated for max effectiveness...and if so by the

day or week or what?

Debra &

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Rotate monthly, not every few days. Check www.knowthecause.com because that's

exactly what he writes about. Sign up for the free newsletter. Guy has

an antifungal kit with specific explanation on how and when to rotate what.

www.bioactivenutrients.com.

Amber

I am a 47 year-old male. I think that I have had a candida problem

most of my life. But I had not ever heard of it until last year.

My understanding is that most people recommend some combination of

the following:

1) starve the fungus - sugar/carbs/food combining

2) physical removal - colon cleansing

3) kill the fungus - anti-fungals

4) repopulate good bacteria - probiotics

I am a little familiar with caprylic acid as I use coconut oil which

I understand contains caprylic acid.

Do you recommend rotating the anti-fungals as some people recommend

as often as every 4 days?

.

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>

> Hi Bee & Friends

>

> I'm doing well on the program and finding coconut oil a very

effective

> antifungal is the diet and lots of VCO enough to build my immune

system

> up or should I add more antifungals to my diet?

Hi Sophie. Hopefully you are also taking " all " of the supplments I

recommend since they work together with the diet to provide all of

the proper nutrients your body needs to build up its immune system.

Antifungals are so much less important than diet plus supplements,

including coconut oil too which is not only antifungal but also

provides good fats and nutrients important for your immune system.

Don't go overboard on taking coconut oil, since it should be started

at small amounts and increased slowly, in order to minimize

healing/die-off reactions.

Candida isn't cured by " killing it off " with antifungals. It is only

cured by building up your immune system.

You would add one other antifungal when you are able to take 6 tbl.

coconut oil without getting severe die-off reactions.

>I find my eyes suffer quite a bit from die off they're sore, watery

and often puffy is this normal - anything I can do to help?

+++All of your eye symptoms are caused by die-off/healing/detox

reactions (all the same thing). If they are intolerable you can cut

back on the amount of coconut oil and increase it more slowly. To

assist with your eye symptoms see " Eye Treatments " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat9.php

When I did my candida program my body detoxified through my eyes for

3 months.

>

> Also one last question as I have had symptoms of candida for quite

a few years and monthly yeast infections for a long time is this

likely to affect my fertility?

+++Yes, it can affect your fertility, and it isn't a good idea to get

pregnant until you have cured your candida since your baby will be

born with a depressed immune system, including candida.

Your fertility is also affected by a lack of proper nutrients that

are important for reproduction. The reason candida affects your

fertility is mainly because its toxins cause all cell membranes to

become stiff/rigid, which interferes with the functioning of organs

throughout the body, including those that produce hormones, and it

also means cells aren't as able to get nutrients, hormones, etc.

needed, and they are less able to get rid of their own waste and

toxins - see " Candida Causes Cell Membrane Defects " for more details:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cabout1.php

To understand better how babies acquire candida, see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

Best wishes to you too, Bee

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