9 flushes

[Guest guest]

> I came

> to this list to learn more, and have since done 9 flushes.

> Vince

Hi Vince,

I'm interested to know more about your experiences doing these

flushes. Would you be willing to share a bit about them with us here?

Specifically I'm wondering if you continue to do them once every once

in a while on a kind of maintenance schedule, or if maybe you only did

them until no more stones came out and then stopped? And anything

else you'd like to share that you feel might be relevant would be

appreciated.

Actually, I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who might like to

share about their liver flush experiences, or who has any insight or

anything else they feel to contribute to a discussion on these cleanses.

After reading a lot of descriptions from many people on curezone.org

and elsewhere on the web about their experiences doing these flushes,

I'm wondering about how and why the stones and sludge are actually

formed to begin with, and whether or not it's actually possible to

completely (or almost completely) clear the liver and gall bladder of

stones and chaff by doing a series of flushes. I ask this because I

found a pictorial essay written by someone who did something like 20

or more flushes over the course of a couple of years, and the stones

just kept coming and coming. It made me wonder if this person's body

continued to manufacture stones due to their dietary choices, and

whether or not changing their diet somehow might have made it so they

would have eventually flushed to the point of no longer having any

stones or chaff come out. If this is so, then can anyone here explain

just how one would go about adjusting one's diet so as to avoid the

possibility that the body would continue to make quantities of stones

and gravel that plug the liver and gall bladder to the point where the

functioning of these organs begins to become impaired?

A few weeks ago I did my first liver flush, and found copious amounts

of green stones and mustardy yellow colored gritty sludge passing out

of my body. It was utterly amazing! I really can't recommend going

through this process enough. And for all of you folks reading this

who have liver or gall bladder issues, regardless of whether or not

your tests indicate the presence of stones, I would strongly encourage

you to seriously consider doing at least one, if not a series of these

flushes. You might be extremely surprised as to what actually ends up

coming out of you!

Fortunately, like you Vince, there's nothing wrong with my liver or

gall bladder that I know of, but I'm very interested in doing what I

can now to prevent chronic illness from happening to me as time goes

by. Honestly, I think just about everyone can benefit from doing

these cleanses, and I want to do another one soon. But if possible,

I'd really like to better understand how and why these stones and

sludge have accumulated in my liver and gall bladder to begin with, so

that I can work towards eliminating their root cause, and so they

won't continue to be replaced every time I flush the existing ones out.

Thanks for any insight or information anyone here can provide with

regards to my questions.

elan

[Guest guest]

I have done 3 flushes and started seeing yellow stones (a few green ones)

immediately, but they kept coming for a YEAR. Then it slowed down to a few

times a week, then down to nothing. However, two sonograms show that I still

have stones! I did the flushes with olive oil and lemon juice for many days,

but the final day when I had to drink so much of it, I used grapefruit juice

instead of lemon. That let it go down a little easier. I have changed my diet.

Rarely ever eat red meat and, if I do, it's a couple of tiny bites. Can't

handle hard boiled eggs anymore either. However, in baked custard, they don't

bother me.

Amber

Actually, I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who might like to

share about their liver flush experiences...

I ask this because I found a pictorial essay written by someone who did

something like 20 or more flushes over the course of a couple of years, and the

stones just kept coming and coming.

elan

.

[Guest guest]

I enjoyed your post, elan. Let's " insure " against health problems to

prevent them if we can. I'd rather put effort into that than get

behind and try to play catch up with my health.

My first flush was effective and got about 50 marble green colored

stones. I couldn't flush every two weeks because of my schedule, but

flushed every month or so as I could. Some flushes were months apart,

but I kept going and got more and more stones per flush (about 400 bb

sized stones at the most in one flush) until after a few flushes I

started getting less and less stones. When I ended up at less than 25

very small stones I didn't try to flush anymore. I'll flush about

once a year now for maintenance. I have also changed my diet to

include good oils and almost eliminate the bad oils. I don't eat

white flour, white sugar, microwave food, or any processed food except

on occasion. I do eat meat, coconut oil, olive oil, real butter,

kefir made from raw goat's milk, fresh fruit, my own home grown

organic vegetables, and Kombucha tea. I use Celtic sea salt daily and

take supplemental minerals and vitamins each day.

As far as changing diet to help the liver and gall bladder, I'd highly

recommend Dr. Cabot's books: " The Liver Cleansing Diet " & " The

Healthy Liver & Bowel Book " .

http://www.liverdoctor.com/

I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form so

many, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes

them to encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of.

If we clean up our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need

to form. That's my theory right now, but I can't prove it.

Best Regards,

Vince

>

>

>

>

> > I came

> > to this list to learn more, and have since done 9 flushes.

>

>

>

> > Vince

>

>

>

>

> Hi Vince,

>

> I'm interested to know more about your experiences doing these

> flushes. Would you be willing to share a bit about them with us here?

> Specifically I'm wondering if you continue to do them once every once

> in a while on a kind of maintenance schedule, or if maybe you only did

> them until no more stones came out and then stopped? And anything

> else you'd like to share that you feel might be relevant would be

> appreciated.

>

> Actually, I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who might like to

> share about their liver flush experiences, or who has any insight or

> anything else they feel to contribute to a discussion on these

cleanses.

>

> After reading a lot of descriptions from many people on curezone.org

> and elsewhere on the web about their experiences doing these flushes,

> I'm wondering about how and why the stones and sludge are actually

> formed to begin with, and whether or not it's actually possible to

> completely (or almost completely) clear the liver and gall bladder of

> stones and chaff by doing a series of flushes. I ask this because I

> found a pictorial essay written by someone who did something like 20

> or more flushes over the course of a couple of years, and the stones

> just kept coming and coming. It made me wonder if this person's body

> continued to manufacture stones due to their dietary choices, and

> whether or not changing their diet somehow might have made it so they

> would have eventually flushed to the point of no longer having any

> stones or chaff come out. If this is so, then can anyone here explain

> just how one would go about adjusting one's diet so as to avoid the

> possibility that the body would continue to make quantities of stones

> and gravel that plug the liver and gall bladder to the point where the

> functioning of these organs begins to become impaired?

>

> A few weeks ago I did my first liver flush, and found copious amounts

> of green stones and mustardy yellow colored gritty sludge passing out

> of my body. It was utterly amazing! I really can't recommend going

> through this process enough. And for all of you folks reading this

> who have liver or gall bladder issues, regardless of whether or not

> your tests indicate the presence of stones, I would strongly encourage

> you to seriously consider doing at least one, if not a series of these

> flushes. You might be extremely surprised as to what actually ends up

> coming out of you!

>

> Fortunately, like you Vince, there's nothing wrong with my liver or

> gall bladder that I know of, but I'm very interested in doing what I

> can now to prevent chronic illness from happening to me as time goes

> by. Honestly, I think just about everyone can benefit from doing

> these cleanses, and I want to do another one soon. But if possible,

> I'd really like to better understand how and why these stones and

> sludge have accumulated in my liver and gall bladder to begin with, so

> that I can work towards eliminating their root cause, and so they

> won't continue to be replaced every time I flush the existing ones out.

>

> Thanks for any insight or information anyone here can provide with

> regards to my questions.

>

> elan

>

[Guest guest]

You touched on a good point VR.

It's a known fact that Neurotoxins generated by pathogens within the

body accumulate in the liver and if the liver is healthy will then

excrete it in the bile. The problem is that it may be reabsorbed by

the intestines. Maybe stones are formed also to encapsulate

Neurotoxins and Heavy metals as well? Check out Dr Klinghardt's

Neurotoxin elimination protocol. It also discusses heavy metals

which can hamper the natural elimination of Neurotoxins.

http://www.neuraltherapy.com/NeurotoxinProtocol040406.pdf

Symptoms can include 1. Memory loss 2. depression 3. fatigue 4.

numbing of any or all the senses

Heavy metals are a HUGE factor in determining the degree of someone's

health. Even people who do not have Amalgam (mercury) fillings and

have never smoked are testing high for mercury in the blood.

So maybe if you have an undiagosed infection you will generate more

Neurotoxins and not be able to process them as efficiently as you

should. And maybe if you are heavy metal toxic you generate more gb

stones as well.

I am just starting to detox heavy metals so I cant suggest the best

way to remove them. I know the most effecient method is IV chelation

which helps with many health problems but this is costly and can be

risky for seriously chronically ill people. Right now I am just

trying oral chelators and taking Chlorella waiting 30 minutes and

then taking liquid Cilantro.

If any of you want more details just ask.

Have a good day,

Brad

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I came

> > > to this list to learn more, and have since done 9 flushes.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Vince

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Vince,

> >

> > I'm interested to know more about your experiences doing these

> > flushes. Would you be willing to share a bit about them with us

here?

> > Specifically I'm wondering if you continue to do them once every

once

> > in a while on a kind of maintenance schedule, or if maybe you

only did

> > them until no more stones came out and then stopped? And anything

> > else you'd like to share that you feel might be relevant would be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Actually, I'd like to hear from anyone on the list who might like

to

> > share about their liver flush experiences, or who has any insight

or

> > anything else they feel to contribute to a discussion on these

> cleanses.

> >

> > After reading a lot of descriptions from many people on

curezone.org

> > and elsewhere on the web about their experiences doing these

flushes,

> > I'm wondering about how and why the stones and sludge are actually

> > formed to begin with, and whether or not it's actually possible to

> > completely (or almost completely) clear the liver and gall

bladder of

> > stones and chaff by doing a series of flushes. I ask this

because I

> > found a pictorial essay written by someone who did something like

20

> > or more flushes over the course of a couple of years, and the

stones

> > just kept coming and coming. It made me wonder if this person's

body

> > continued to manufacture stones due to their dietary choices, and

> > whether or not changing their diet somehow might have made it so

they

> > would have eventually flushed to the point of no longer having any

> > stones or chaff come out. If this is so, then can anyone here

explain

> > just how one would go about adjusting one's diet so as to avoid

the

> > possibility that the body would continue to make quantities of

stones

> > and gravel that plug the liver and gall bladder to the point

where the

> > functioning of these organs begins to become impaired?

> >

> > A few weeks ago I did my first liver flush, and found copious

amounts

> > of green stones and mustardy yellow colored gritty sludge passing

out

> > of my body. It was utterly amazing! I really can't recommend

going

> > through this process enough. And for all of you folks reading

this

> > who have liver or gall bladder issues, regardless of whether or

not

> > your tests indicate the presence of stones, I would strongly

encourage

> > you to seriously consider doing at least one, if not a series of

these

> > flushes. You might be extremely surprised as to what actually

ends up

> > coming out of you!

> >

> > Fortunately, like you Vince, there's nothing wrong with my liver

or

> > gall bladder that I know of, but I'm very interested in doing

what I

> > can now to prevent chronic illness from happening to me as time

goes

> > by. Honestly, I think just about everyone can benefit from doing

> > these cleanses, and I want to do another one soon. But if

possible,

> > I'd really like to better understand how and why these stones and

> > sludge have accumulated in my liver and gall bladder to begin

with, so

> > that I can work towards eliminating their root cause, and so they

> > won't continue to be replaced every time I flush the existing

ones out.

> >

> > Thanks for any insight or information anyone here can provide with

> > regards to my questions.

> >

> > elan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We were visiting with my husband's doctor yesterday and he mentioned my

gallstones and the fact that I had done several flushes and passed stones for a

YEAR, but my sonograms still show stones. The Dr. said that people continue to

form new stones, but didn't give a reason. Since it was my husband's

appointment (I go with him), I didn't get into further discussion but I shall

when I have another appointment with that doctor.

Amber

I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form so many,

but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes them to

encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of. If we clean up

our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need to form. Vince

.

[Guest guest]

>

> I have done 3 flushes and started seeing yellow stones (a few green

ones) immediately, but they kept coming for a YEAR.

Hi Amber,

Thanks very much for responding, and for sharing some of your experiences.

elan

[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

>

> I enjoyed your post, elan. Let's " insure " against health problems to

> prevent them if we can. I'd rather put effort into that than get

> behind and try to play catch up with my health.

Yes, agreed. An ounce of prevention...

>

> My first flush was effective ..... When I ended up at less than 25

> very small stones I didn't try to flush anymore.

May I ask, besides the elimination of the stones, did you notice any

other, overall or perhaps specific beneficial effects of doing these

flushes?

>I have also changed my diet to

> include good oils and almost eliminate the bad oils. I don't eat

> white flour, white sugar, microwave food, or any processed food

>except on occasion.

Good for you.

> I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form

>so many,

I'm really beginning to get the impression that no one knows for

certain exactly why these stones form to begin with.

>but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes

> them to encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of.

> If we clean up our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need

> to form. That's my theory right now, but I can't prove it.

>

> Best Regards,

> Vince

This does sound like a very likely theory. Considering the fact that

stones form in the kidneys too, and that both the liver and kidneys

filter all the blood that flows through the body, it makes sense that

toxic particulate matter might very well become trapped by these

organs. Then, much like an oyster encapsulates a tiny particle to

make a pearl in order to protect itself from the offending invader,

perhaps the kidneys and liver form similar protective barriers around

bits of poisonous or unwanted matter too, creating stones, which then

over time, can end up accumulating in both of these organs, as well as

in the gall bladder.

Thanks for this response, Vince. Your sharing of your experiences and

insight are much appreciated.

elan

[Guest guest]

Hi Brad,

> I am just starting to detox heavy metals so I cant suggest the best

> way to remove them. I know the most effecient method is IV chelation

> which helps with many health problems but this is costly and can be

> risky for seriously chronically ill people. Right now I am just

> trying oral chelators and taking Chlorella waiting 30 minutes and

> then taking liquid Cilantro.

>

> If any of you want more details just ask.

May I ask, what oral chelators are you taking?

Also, have you considered adding some activated charcoal slurries to

your detoxification protocol?

http://healingtools.tripod.com/thn5.html

http://healingtools.tripod.com/ACP_pages.html

Or perhaps also including some clay baths and/or consuming clay

internally?

http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercury-toxicity-bentonite-clay.php

http://www.eytonsearth.org/clay-baths.php

elan

[Guest guest]

when I do my flushes - I sleep in the morning, but afterwards I feel more

energetic for awhile....then it waers off. Time for another soon, Jay

----- Original Message ----

From: elan_spire <elan_spire@...>

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:42:48 PM

Subject: Re: 9 flushes

Hi Vince,

>

> I enjoyed your post, elan. Let's " insure " against health problems to

> prevent them if we can. I'd rather put effort into that than get

> behind and try to play catch up with my health.

Yes, agreed. An ounce of prevention.. .

>

> My first flush was effective ..... When I ended up at less than 25

> very small stones I didn't try to flush anymore.

May I ask, besides the elimination of the stones, did you notice any

other, overall or perhaps specific beneficial effects of doing these

flushes?

>I have also changed my diet to

> include good oils and almost eliminate the bad oils. I don't eat

> white flour, white sugar, microwave food, or any processed food

>except on occasion.

Good for you.

> I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form

>so many,

I'm really beginning to get the impression that no one knows for

certain exactly why these stones form to begin with.

>but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes

> them to encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of.

> If we clean up our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need

> to form. That's my theory right now, but I can't prove it.

>

> Best Regards,

> Vince

This does sound like a very likely theory. Considering the fact that

stones form in the kidneys too, and that both the liver and kidneys

filter all the blood that flows through the body, it makes sense that

toxic particulate matter might very well become trapped by these

organs. Then, much like an oyster encapsulates a tiny particle to

make a pearl in order to protect itself from the offending invader,

perhaps the kidneys and liver form similar protective barriers around

bits of poisonous or unwanted matter too, creating stones, which then

over time, can end up accumulating in both of these organs, as well as

in the gall bladder.

Thanks for this response, Vince. Your sharing of your experiences and

insight are much appreciated.

elan

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What a great discussion you two. I really like your pearl analogy Elan (Given

name, or did you take the Latin " lifeforce " later?). I had never entertained

this potential aspect until the two of you woke me from my slumber. Great

possibility especially in light of the extremely plausible theory that the

application of cholesterol (the main component in stones) to the interior of the

arterial walls may be a protective measure due to oxidative damage of the walls.

In terms of true stone formation there may be several other factors

involved. First there is the proper balance of the components of bile and the

need to maintain such in order to keep the cholesterol in suspension. Lack of

proper bile acids, lecithin, or water within the bile can all cause the

cholesterol and minerals to come out of suspension.

We know that there are certain risk factors:

Rapid weight loss, which is the " loss " of large amounts of body fat in a short

amount of time. Where does it go? And how does it leave the body?

The 4 Fs which lends towards endocrine dysfunction manifesting in hypothyroid.

" Low fat " and " vegetarian " diets, which both can point towards a lack of the

proper amount of dietary oils, the main constituent of bile. The lower the flow

in a river, the faster the alluvial settles out. Possibility of stagnation.

Diets high in animal fats (cooked) and refined carbohydrates; both creating

higher triglyceride levels leading to " syndrome x " and diabetes.

Hispanic and native American decent both of which genetically have a

" predisposition " (most likely due to the rapid change in dietary habits to the

SAD diet).

I should mention that for me the jury is still out on the actual nature of the

" little green blobs " . I have no doubt that the yellow sludge that you passed

Elan was gall crepitus in nature. Also the brownish rocks that my good buddy

Dale passed (Thanks for the pictures Dale. Now when I am really bored or in

need of an uplift in spirit I can always go back to those. Best done with a

glass of wine and a sense of humor.). It is a moot point anyhow, as I have said

before: The concern is does your life get better and the resounding chorus is

YES!

Thanks for listening, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: elan_spire<mailto:elan_spire@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:42 PM

Subject: Re: 9 flushes

Hi Vince,

>

> I enjoyed your post, elan. Let's " insure " against health problems to

> prevent them if we can. I'd rather put effort into that than get

> behind and try to play catch up with my health.

Yes, agreed. An ounce of prevention...

>

> My first flush was effective ..... When I ended up at less than 25

> very small stones I didn't try to flush anymore.

May I ask, besides the elimination of the stones, did you notice any

other, overall or perhaps specific beneficial effects of doing these

flushes?

>I have also changed my diet to

> include good oils and almost eliminate the bad oils. I don't eat

> white flour, white sugar, microwave food, or any processed food

>except on occasion.

Good for you.

> I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form

>so many,

I'm really beginning to get the impression that no one knows for

certain exactly why these stones form to begin with.

>but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes

> them to encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of.

> If we clean up our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need

> to form. That's my theory right now, but I can't prove it.

>

> Best Regards,

> Vince

This does sound like a very likely theory. Considering the fact that

stones form in the kidneys too, and that both the liver and kidneys

filter all the blood that flows through the body, it makes sense that

toxic particulate matter might very well become trapped by these

organs. Then, much like an oyster encapsulates a tiny particle to

make a pearl in order to protect itself from the offending invader,

perhaps the kidneys and liver form similar protective barriers around

bits of poisonous or unwanted matter too, creating stones, which then

over time, can end up accumulating in both of these organs, as well as

in the gall bladder.

Thanks for this response, Vince. Your sharing of your experiences and

insight are much appreciated.

elan

[Guest guest]

Hi elan, I have been very toxic all my adult life and am now on the

road to full recovery. Every flush I did helped me to feel much more

energy, but it was temporary. The more flushes I did, the longer the

energy uplift lasted. At the same time I was flushing over the course

of a few years, I got 12 amalgam fillings properly removed and

replaced with composites, 2 root canals removed, and 3

non-biocompatible crowns removed. The flushes were just one of many

things I've done in the last 10-15 years to get my health tuned up to

where it should be. Before getting my mercury sources removed from my

mouth, I would feel very bad very quickly if I did anything that

started removing the mercury that was stored in my body. One

chlorella tablet would be too much and I'd need to wait several days

before taking another. Now, I can take 2 a day and eat cilantro too.

I also take a fiber mix I make up myself with bentonite clay, apple

pectin, activated charcoal, oat bran, psillium husks, and two capsules

a day of Dr. Shultz's intestinal formula 1. I've been doing this for

months now, and the benefits keep accumulating with my energy and

concentration levels increasing.

The key is, I've gotten all my detox pathways opened up, got rid of

the poison sources in my body, and now I'm cleaning up (detoxing) at a

reasonable, sustainable rate. It will take years, but before I get to

the age that I really start needing to be detoxed, I want to be

cleaned up inside. I'm 50 now. Diseases such as Alzheimer's and

Parkinson's is as best as I can tell caused by people being too toxic

at an age that their body can no longer cope with the toxins. I'd

rather avoid things like that if I can If I can', at least I tried...

I forgot to mention the need for lecithin supplementation for anyone

with stones or liver/gallbladder problems. Along with the good oils I

did mention lecithin greatly helps with bile flow and that helps

everything else including toxin removal. Lecithin thins the bile,

oils make the bile flow out of the gallbladder into the intestine

carrying toxins with them. This necessitates having good fiber to

absorb the toxins in the intestine to move into the bowel and then out

of our body expeditiously each day. The toxins have to go somewhere

when they flow out of the liver with the bile, we don't want them

staying in our gallbladder or recirculating back into our blood. We

need to have fiber always in our system to " catch " and hold toxins to

remove them from the body.

I like the pearl analogy too. Dr. Hulda , who has supervised

hundreds of flushes, noticed remains of what seemed to be parasites in

the middle of many stones. It's obvious from the smell of what comes

out in a flush, including the smell of the stones, that what's in them

is very toxic.

Our bodies are amazing. They are able to take care of a lot given the

right stuff and when protected from the bad stuff. It's a pity that

the profit motive has corrupted our society in the realm of what we

eat to the point that we have to take matters into our own hands and

flush like this to correct the damage done with improper food and

nutrition.

Best Regards,

Vince

> >

> > I enjoyed your post, elan. Let's " insure " against health problems to

> > prevent them if we can. I'd rather put effort into that than get

> > behind and try to play catch up with my health.

>

>

>

> Yes, agreed. An ounce of prevention...

>

>

>

>

> >

> > My first flush was effective ..... When I ended up at less than 25

> > very small stones I didn't try to flush anymore.

>

>

>

> May I ask, besides the elimination of the stones, did you notice any

> other, overall or perhaps specific beneficial effects of doing these

> flushes?

>

>

>

> >I have also changed my diet to

> > include good oils and almost eliminate the bad oils. I don't eat

> > white flour, white sugar, microwave food, or any processed food

> >except on occasion.

>

>

>

> Good for you.

>

>

>

> > I really don't know why stones are formed and why some people form

> >so many,

>

>

>

> I'm really beginning to get the impression that no one knows for

> certain exactly why these stones form to begin with.

>

>

>

>

> >but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out that the body makes

> > them to encapsulate toxins and substances that it wants to get rid of.

> > If we clean up our bodies and nourish them enough, stones won't need

> > to form. That's my theory right now, but I can't prove it.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Vince

>

>

> This does sound like a very likely theory. Considering the fact that

> stones form in the kidneys too, and that both the liver and kidneys

> filter all the blood that flows through the body, it makes sense that

> toxic particulate matter might very well become trapped by these

> organs. Then, much like an oyster encapsulates a tiny particle to

> make a pearl in order to protect itself from the offending invader,

> perhaps the kidneys and liver form similar protective barriers around

> bits of poisonous or unwanted matter too, creating stones, which then

> over time, can end up accumulating in both of these organs, as well as

> in the gall bladder.

>

>

> Thanks for this response, Vince. Your sharing of your experiences and

> insight are much appreciated.

>

>

> elan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elan,

Yes both of those are things I use. Guess what though taking

Chitosan with Charcoal is Amazing for detoxing. These are best to be

taken about 30 minutes before a coffee enema to mop up the toxins

released into the intestinal tract.

The clay is awesome too as long as its taken with psyllium and apple

pectin.

Are you on those things Elan?

Brd

>

> > I am just starting to detox heavy metals so I cant suggest the

best

> > way to remove them. I know the most effecient method is IV

chelation

> > which helps with many health problems but this is costly and can

be

> > risky for seriously chronically ill people. Right now I am just

> > trying oral chelators and taking Chlorella waiting 30 minutes and

> > then taking liquid Cilantro.

> >

> > If any of you want more details just ask.

>

>

>

> May I ask, what oral chelators are you taking?

>

> Also, have you considered adding some activated charcoal slurries to

> your detoxification protocol?

>

> http://healingtools.tripod.com/thn5.html

>

> http://healingtools.tripod.com/ACP_pages.html

>

>

> Or perhaps also including some clay baths and/or consuming clay

> internally?

>

> http://www.eytonsearth.org/mercury-toxicity-bentonite-clay.php

>

> http://www.eytonsearth.org/clay-baths.php

>

>

> elan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

>

> What a great discussion you two. I really like your pearl analogy

Elan (Given name, or did you take the Latin " lifeforce " later?).

Took it later.

>I had never entertained this potential aspect until the two of you

>woke me from my slumber. Great possibility especially in light of

>the extremely plausible theory that the application of cholesterol

>(the main component in stones) to the interior of the arterial walls

>may be a protective measure due to oxidative damage of the walls.

Aha, yes, good point, one that hadn't occurred to me, so thanks for

waking me up to that potential connection.

> as I have said before: The concern is does your life get better and

>the resounding chorus is YES!

This seems to be the general consensus among those who have done a

series of flushes, and it makes good sense to me.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on what causes stones to form, Dave.

I appreciate your insights and input in this thread.

elan

[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

>

> Hi elan, I have been very toxic all my adult life and am now on the

> road to full recovery.

Fantastic! Congratulations.

>Every flush I did helped me to feel much more

> energy, but it was temporary. The more flushes I did, the longer

>the energy uplift lasted.

Thanks for sharing, this, Vince. This to me feels like a key point.

My sense is that it's not always apparent at first to people who are

just beginning to investigate these flushes, that doing just one will

most likely not provide any real lasting or meaningful effects in

terms of long term health benefits. I get the feeling that many of us

not only have gall bladders that are clogged up with a mixture of

stones, gravel, sludge and gunk, but that in addition, further up the

pipe and lodged within the liver itself, we harbor even more

intrahepatic stones, which are plugging the liver and keeping it from

functioning at its optimal level.

From everything I've learned about these flushes, it sounds to me as

if it takes successive flushes in order to incrementally clear out the

biliary tubes, the gall bladder, and ultimately even the liver itself

of this accumulated matter. In light of this process of purging

(flushing) the bladder to make room for liver stones 'higher up' to

descend, and then repeatedly purging the stones that descend with

subsequent flushes, it makes total sense to me that with each

successive flush, the beneficial cleansing effects will not only

increase, but will also start to last longer and longer between flushes.

>At the same time I was flushing over the course

> of a few years, I got 12 amalgam fillings properly removed and

> replaced with composites, 2 root canals removed, and 3

> non-biocompatible crowns removed.

Wow! That's intense.

The flushes were just one of many

> things I've done in the last 10-15 years to get my health tuned up to

> where it should be. Before getting my mercury sources removed from my

> mouth, I would feel very bad very quickly if I did anything that

> started removing the mercury that was stored in my body. One

> chlorella tablet would be too much and I'd need to wait several days

> before taking another. Now, I can take 2 a day and eat cilantro too.

Interesting. I reckon everyone's different. Although I have a mouth

full of amalgam fillings, I can take a combination of chlorella,

spirulina, Greener Grasses powder and Pure Synergy (powdered green

superfood) and at worst I seem to only get a mild headache.

> I also take a fiber mix I make up myself with bentonite clay, apple

> pectin, activated charcoal, oat bran, psillium husks, and two capsules

> a day of Dr. Shultz's intestinal formula 1. I've been doing this for

> months now, and the benefits keep accumulating with my energy and

> concentration levels increasing.

I'm always interested to hear about other peoples' cleansing

protocols, so thanks very much for sharing this.

Although I've also been taking a combination of bentonite clay along

with some activated charcoal, I've yet to purchase Dr. Schulze's IF #

1, but am beginning to lean towards giving it a try. Instead of

herbs, in order to increase digestive motility I've been using a

product called Homozon, which is from what I understand, the original

magnesium oxide formula. When taken with a chaser of lemon juice, the

bond between the magnesium and the oxygen in the Homozon is broken,

and tremendous amounts of oxygen are released, flooding the bowel with

oxygen, which is supposed to be very beneficial for detoxification and

purification. A side effect is that either a softening or liquefying

of stools, depending on how much is taken.

Have you ever done an intensive version of your combination of

ingredients, like taking them 4 or 5 times a day while fasting, in an

effort to effect a deep internal cleansing of the entire digestive

tract? Evidently when some people do this, they sometimes pass rubbery

lengths of mucoid plaque. I've yet to attempt this, but would like to

try it at some point.

>

> The key is, I've gotten all my detox pathways opened up, got rid of

> the poison sources in my body, and now I'm cleaning up (detoxing) at

>a reasonable, sustainable rate.

Again, this makes good sense to me. I've heard of many people who try

to detox too much too soon and end up giving themselves Herxheimer

reactions. I think too many of us forget how important it is for the

body's pathways of elimination to be open and moving before attempting

any detoxification protocol.

>Lecithin thins the bile,

> oils make the bile flow out of the gallbladder into the intestine

> carrying toxins with them. This necessitates having good fiber to

> absorb the toxins in the intestine to move into the bowel and then

>out of our body expeditiously each day.

Thanks for this tip about lecithin. I wasn't aware it had this effect

on the bile.

> The toxins have to go somewhere

> when they flow out of the liver with the bile, we don't want them

> staying in our gallbladder or recirculating back into our blood. We

> need to have fiber always in our system to " catch " and hold toxins to

> remove them from the body.

Yes, this is important, otherwise we can end up feeling sick from

reabsorbing these toxins. I think that both the clay and the

activated charcoal are really good at electrically drawing toxins to

them and holding them. I also think things like psyllium and apple

pectin help too. I've also heard that consuming hydrated chia seeds

and/or flax seeds forms a kind of fibrous, mucilaginous mass inside

the bowel that helps to grab onto and pull toxic material out of the body.

> Our bodies are amazing. They are able to take care of a lot given

>the right stuff and when protected from the bad stuff.

Yes!

>It's a pity that

> the profit motive has corrupted our society in the realm of what we

> eat to the point that we have to take matters into our own hands and

> flush like this to correct the damage done with improper food and

> nutrition.

Amen to that.

Thanks very much for sharing your experience and insights, Vince.

They're very helpful.

elan

[Guest guest]

> The flushes were just one of many

> > things I've done in the last 10-15 years to get my health tuned up to

> > where it should be. Before getting my mercury sources removed from my

> > mouth, I would feel very bad very quickly if I did anything that

> > started removing the mercury that was stored in my body. One

> > chlorella tablet would be too much and I'd need to wait several days

> > before taking another. Now, I can take 2 a day and eat cilantro too.

>

> Interesting. I reckon everyone's different. Although I have a mouth

> full of amalgam fillings, I can take a combination of chlorella,

> spirulina, Greener Grasses powder and Pure Synergy (powdered green

> superfood) and at worst I seem to only get a mild headache.

>

In hindsight, I should have thoroughly cleansed my bowel prior to

getting my amalgams out, and I probably would have solved a lot of my

problem with toxicity. The removals will give me longer lasting

benefit, but I still needed to clean my colon which I now have. It

sounds like your detox pathways are working well right now and you can

get the bad stuff out quickly enough that it won't cause problems.

Just think ahead (a little advice here . As you get older your body

naturally slows down and you need all the help you can get keeping up

the pace of toxin removal... That's why I removed my fillings now.

Mostly to benefit later, if the Lord allows me to live to a ripe old

age

>

>

> > I also take a fiber mix I make up myself with bentonite clay, apple

> > pectin, activated charcoal, oat bran, psillium husks, and two capsules

> > a day of Dr. Shultz's intestinal formula 1. I've been doing this for

> > months now, and the benefits keep accumulating with my energy and

> > concentration levels increasing.

>

>

>

> I'm always interested to hear about other peoples' cleansing

> protocols, so thanks very much for sharing this.

>

> Although I've also been taking a combination of bentonite clay along

> with some activated charcoal, I've yet to purchase Dr. Schulze's IF #

> 1, but am beginning to lean towards giving it a try. Instead of

> herbs, in order to increase digestive motility I've been using a

> product called Homozon, which is from what I understand, the original

> magnesium oxide formula. When taken with a chaser of lemon juice, the

> bond between the magnesium and the oxygen in the Homozon is broken,

> and tremendous amounts of oxygen are released, flooding the bowel with

> oxygen, which is supposed to be very beneficial for detoxification and

> purification. A side effect is that either a softening or liquefying

> of stools, depending on how much is taken.

>

I've taken Colozone which is the same thing only a different brand. I

couldn't seem to get it controlled to where it would soften but not

liquify my stools. That's when I tried the Shultz and found it to be

totally controllable.

> Have you ever done an intensive version of your combination of

> ingredients, like taking them 4 or 5 times a day while fasting, in an

> effort to effect a deep internal cleansing of the entire digestive

> tract? Evidently when some people do this, they sometimes pass rubbery

> lengths of mucoid plaque. I've yet to attempt this, but would like to

> try it at some point.

>

I haven't been able to do anything that aggressive, but have read all

about it. Maybe someday (maybe soon) I'll feel ready to tackle that.

The Master Cleanse seems like it's helped a lot of people.

>

> elan

>

Best Regards elan,

Vince