Re: Re: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

[Guest guest]

Is it best to buy Standard Process directly from them or via a

distributor? Why do I keep hearing about this company? Are they really

good?

Sponge

Amber wrote:

> I recommend you find a good nutritionist to work with you, one who understands

GB problems. Also buy A-F Betafood from Standard Process and start taking that.

It helps tremendously. How do you know that you do not have gallstones? Have

you had a sonogram?

> Amber

>

>

>

> I had a GB attack 2 nights ago (ate pizza). I do not have gallstones,

> but a gallbladder that, at the time I was assessed, empties at 2

> percent. I am having residual pain after I eat and about every 10

> minutes throughout the day. I have been having a major attack about

> once every 6 months and some discomfort several times a month (not at

> all unbearable though)for the past 2 years (since being diagnosed with

> GB disease). I am considering surgery but my mom and best friend are

> encouraging me not to.

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cargyle (sp?). I know him personally, he comes out to the Seattle area

to work with a close friend several times a year. He is a bit of a piece of

work (aren't we all) but very well informed and always there to help. He

spreads his time between Atlanta and Aspen so I do not know if he is there now.

If you have trouble finding him, let me know I can run him down through

channels. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: osocristie<mailto:osocristie@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

In refernce to Amber's question: I had an ultrasound done after my

first big attack. They reported no stones.

Dave asked: " The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not

working properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it

is not working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how

to " heal " it? "

Dave, the Drs did not give me any real insight on healing my GB. The

surgeon that I saw said that I could maintain myself by my diet. She

gave my the number to a nutritionist, but the one that my Dr. saw

personally was not there the day I went. I had a really Blah

nutritionist that seemed not to be too informed on GB diease and

tried to push a bunch of meat (protein) on me. I wasn't satisfied.

I am looking for a holistic (wholistic) doctor of some type to help

me. Would anyone know of one in Atlanta or how I could find one that

helps with GB healing?

>

> Chologague herbs (stimulate the movement of bile), chologeric

(stimulate the production of bile), both will be helpful. Boldo,

phyllanthus, gentian, rhubarb, lysmatchia, dandelion, yellow dock,

etc. The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not working

properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it is not

working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how

to " heal " it? Your mother and best friend are right. Unless the dr.

can give you a reason for the problem and a method of healing there

is a lot to be done before deciding to rip out the organ. This is so

so common. you would think that medicine would study cause and

solution instead of merely removal. -Dave

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: osocristie<mailto:osocristie@...>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 2:33 PM

> Subject: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

>

>

> I had a GB attack 2 nights ago (ate pizza). I do not have

gallstones,

> but a gallbladder that, at the time I was assessed, empties at 2

> percent. I am having residual pain after I eat and about every 10

> minutes throughout the day. I have been having a major attack

about

> once every 6 months and some discomfort several times a month

(not at

> all unbearable though)for the past 2 years (since being diagnosed

with

> GB disease). I am considering surgery but my mom and best friend

are

> encouraging me not to. My worry is that I would develop an

infected or

> Cancerous GB. How can I avoid that?

>

> Please provide some solutions.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All bitter and sour herbs and foods stimulate the flow and manufacture of bile.

Many of the compounds that have these flavors are members of the polyphenol

group. Because of our jaded palettes in the western cultures, we tend to skin

them off, mill them out, etc. This group contains: bioflavanoids, flavones,

catechins, saponins, tannins, anthocyanadins, proanthocyanadins, coumarins,

xanthones, etc. There is liver protection, liver detoxification and liver

regeneration. Many of these herbs and foods do all three to some extent.

Probably the best herb for regeneration would be bhumy amalaki also known as

chancha peidra in central and South America. The above compounds are cold

energetically. Herbs and foods that contain volatile oils can also be liver

detoxifying/protective. Their energetics are warming. Boldo, dong quai,

cinnamon, notopterygii, oxknee are some of the members of this group. They also

stimulate the movement of blood (the liver in some ways is like an oil filter)

so the more blood you move through, the more efficient the filtering process.

The ladies in this group will notice that this last group is " female hormonal "

even though they do not contain hormonal precursors, the female menstrual cycle

is a blood cycle so the majority of " female " herbs are blood moving liver herbs.

The saponins have both a hydro (water) and lipo (oil) lyphic end so are soapy

(sapo) and quite detoxifying as well as liver protective. Wild yam is a good

example. The steroidal saponins do contain the hormonal precursors (wild yam).

Milk thistle is more liver protective than regenerative. New studies are

showing licorice to be equally protective by the way. Hope this helps, -D

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:10 AM

Subject: Re: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

Dave, I have never been clear on which foods, supplements,

etc. " cleanse " the liver versus which " regenerate " the liver. It

sounds like from your list below, those herbs both produce and move

bile. So they all would fall under the category of cleansing? If so,

then which things will build-up or regenerate the liver? For example,

someone posted that milk thistle regenerates not cleanses.

I guess a second question is when do you cleanse versus regenerate? or

do you do both at the same time?

Thanks.

>

> Chologague herbs (stimulate the movement of bile), chologeric

(stimulate the production of bile), both will be helpful. Boldo,

phyllanthus, gentian, rhubarb, lysmatchia, dandelion, yellow dock,

etc. The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not working

properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it is not

working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how to " heal "

it? Your mother and best friend are right. Unless the dr. can give

you a reason for the problem and a method of healing there is a lot to

be done before deciding to rip out the organ. This is so so common.

you would think that medicine would study cause and solution instead of

merely removal. -Dave

[Guest guest]

Fear tactics! Does this mean that if you get a sinus infection you should get

your nose cut off? No, actually according to this we should get it cut off when

it is stuffed up because of the possibility of infection. Boy, where we could

go with this line of thought. Hmmm, where else do we get infections. I read of

a lady recently who got stuck to the toilet seat 'cuz she wouldn't get off the

crapper too. Now how often does that happen? OK, I'll stop. (no I won't) but

I am laughing at some of the pictures and crying at others. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: osocristie<mailto:osocristie@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

Wow! Thank you so much. I will print this list off and take it with

me to the health food store. I am also scheduled to see a natural

doctor next week. It does make sense that the liver plays a big role

in GB functioning. I surely don't want my liver to go bad.

Some of the gals at work are still encouraging me to take my GB out

due to posibility of infection and one even said that she read of a

lady dying because she didn't have her GB removed. Hmmm.

> >

> > Chologague herbs (stimulate the movement of bile), chologeric

> (stimulate the production of bile), both will be helpful. Boldo,

> phyllanthus, gentian, rhubarb, lysmatchia, dandelion, yellow

dock,

> etc. The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not working

> properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it is not

> working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how

to " heal "

> it? Your mother and best friend are right. Unless the dr. can

give

> you a reason for the problem and a method of healing there is a

lot to

> be done before deciding to rip out the organ. This is so so

common.

> you would think that medicine would study cause and solution

instead of

> merely removal. -Dave

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One of the better foods for gallbladder and liver are beets- steamed,

boiled or grated raw in a salad- u will be pleasantly surprised how

much beets will help both your GB and Liver.

On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:10 PM, osocristie wrote:

> Wow! Thank you so much. I will print this list off and take it with

> me to the health food store. I am also scheduled to see a natural

> doctor next week. It does make sense that the liver plays a big role

> in GB functioning. I surely don't want my liver to go bad.

>

> Some of the gals at work are still encouraging me to take my GB out

> due to posibility of infection and one even said that she read of a

> lady dying because she didn't have her GB removed. Hmmm.

>

>

> > >

> > > Chologague herbs (stimulate the movement of bile), chologeric

> > (stimulate the production of bile), both will be helpful. Boldo,

> > phyllanthus, gentian, rhubarb, lysmatchia, dandelion, yellow

> dock,

> > etc. The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not working

> > properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it is not

> > working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how

> to " heal "

> > it? Your mother and best friend are right. Unless the dr. can

> give

> > you a reason for the problem and a method of healing there is a

> lot to

> > be done before deciding to rip out the organ. This is so so

> common.

> > you would think that medicine would study cause and solution

> instead of

> > merely removal. -Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah! what says, double. for those of you who think you do not like

beets:

fresh, peeled and sliced approx 1/8th inch thick. ghee, steamed in their own

juices with ground coriander in quantity, salt and fresh lemon juice. Have yet

to meet someone who didn't love them. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Battaglia<mailto:fbattaglia@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Coming down off of a Gallbladder attack

One of the better foods for gallbladder and liver are beets- steamed,

boiled or grated raw in a salad- u will be pleasantly surprised how

much beets will help both your GB and Liver.

On Apr 4, 2008, at 3:10 PM, osocristie wrote:

> Wow! Thank you so much. I will print this list off and take it with

> me to the health food store. I am also scheduled to see a natural

> doctor next week. It does make sense that the liver plays a big role

> in GB functioning. I surely don't want my liver to go bad.

>

> Some of the gals at work are still encouraging me to take my GB out

> due to posibility of infection and one even said that she read of a

> lady dying because she didn't have her GB removed. Hmmm.

>

>

> > >

> > > Chologague herbs (stimulate the movement of bile), chologeric

> > (stimulate the production of bile), both will be helpful. Boldo,

> > phyllanthus, gentian, rhubarb, lysmatchia, dandelion, yellow

> dock,

> > etc. The big question is why? Why is your gallbladder not working

> > properly. What does the Dr. Say? Did they just tell you it is not

> > working so it needs to be removed with no suggestions on how

> to " heal "

> > it? Your mother and best friend are right. Unless the dr. can

> give

> > you a reason for the problem and a method of healing there is a

> lot to

> > be done before deciding to rip out the organ. This is so so

> common.

> > you would think that medicine would study cause and solution

> instead of

> > merely removal. -Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >