Re: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

[Guest guest]

The information put out on soy not being healthy is suspect to say the

least. While the information is all over the net there has never been

a sanctioned clinical study by a legitimate medical group , according

to my alternative health practitioner and that I have been able to

find, that demonstrates any adverse effects of soy in humans. Not

one. Factor in that the Asian culture have been consuming soy for

thousands of years with no problems. On the contrary there is a book,

" The Chia Study " , ( by Dr - you may find it

here

-

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en & id=FIRLLcLjyC8C & dq=the+china+study & printsec=\

frontcover & source=web & ots=h8Vyb2d7fv & sig=jOVZCgxb2e7dDuw_tXkS2amNqDI#PPR15,M1)

that is an eye opener on nutrition and the value of soy in their diet.

The book was nearly buried in America but recognized internationally.

As for protein in your diet- there are many sound and nutritious ways

to get protein in your diet other than red meat and I would encourage

everyone to think on this fact- it takes 700 calories of grain to

produce 100 calories of meat. Considering the sad state of affairs of

our environment it is time that more people ask themselves this

question. is it worth it?

Cheers

FB

On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:39 AM, fjnie1234 wrote:

> I would like to consume less meat and eggs, but I am struggling with

> not getting enough protein in my diet.

>

> Soy is a good source of protein, but it is supposedly not healthy due

> to a number of factors.

>

> Dairy is a source of protein, but it gives me sinus congestion.

> (hopefully, when I get things squared away, some day I can consume

> dairy again)

>

> I do take a hemp protein supplement which helps a little with the

> protein. And I eat almond butter which helps as well.

>

> I limit my meat and eggs to one meal every couple of days. I would

> like to eat it even less than that due to my liver/GB issues, but I

> am worried about not enough protein.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

> >

> > A-F Betafood tablets from Standard Process, less meat and eggs,

> more beets.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What else do I need to do to maintain good GB health?

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Check out this practitioners site for an overview of the hazards of

dairy

www.mmvbs.com

On Apr 11, 2008, at 6:39 AM, fjnie1234 wrote:

> I would like to consume less meat and eggs, but I am struggling with

> not getting enough protein in my diet.

>

> Soy is a good source of protein, but it is supposedly not healthy due

> to a number of factors.

>

> Dairy is a source of protein, but it gives me sinus congestion.

> (hopefully, when I get things squared away, some day I can consume

> dairy again)

>

> I do take a hemp protein supplement which helps a little with the

> protein. And I eat almond butter which helps as well.

>

> I limit my meat and eggs to one meal every couple of days. I would

> like to eat it even less than that due to my liver/GB issues, but I

> am worried about not enough protein.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

> >

> > A-F Betafood tablets from Standard Process, less meat and eggs,

> more beets.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What else do I need to do to maintain good GB health?

> >

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well said.

Not to mention that these studies invariably conclude that " more study is

needed " --hey, are they making a living off this research or something?

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM, fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...>

wrote:

With all due respect, I am not going to wait on a sanctioned clinical

study by a medical group to make my health decisions. I am not sure

that I would trust it anyway. That is why most of us are here to

start with.

[Guest guest]

Have you tried raw dairy products from a local farmer? This helps many

people who are so-called lactose intolerant, because the natural enzymes

in milk have not been destroyed by pasteurization.

Sponge

>

>

>

> fjnie1234 wrote:

>> I am not sure that I can take whey because it is dairy. Dairy gives

>> me sinus congestion. I don't know if it is the whey, the casein, or

>> something else. I guess I could try the whey protein, but I am a

>> little hesitant because my sinuses are better than ever not that I am

>> off of dairy.

>>

>> I am also battling candida. Is whey okay when doing the candida diet?

>>

>> Thanks.

>>

>> p.s. What do you mean by it does not interfere with other foods?

>>

>>

>>

>>> My nutritionist told me to add whey protein powder to foods. I

>>>

>> either take it in a drink with milk and fruit, or just sprinkle some

>> on top of cereal. I use the vanilla flavor and it doesn't interfere

>> with other foods. I stay away from soy.

>>

>>> Amber

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I would like to consume less meat and eggs, but I am struggling

>>>

>> with

>>

>>> not getting enough protein in my diet.

>>>

>>> Soy is a good source of protein, but it is supposedly not healthy

>>>

>> due

>>

>>> to a number of factors.

>>>

>>> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>>>

>>>

>>> .

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Whey should be just fine in terms of candida. In fact it is promotive of

lactobacillus and bifidus which are anti candida. The sinus issues here are an

allergic reaction not an infection though the allergic reaction produces a

catarrh discharge which will be promotive of an infection setting in afterwards.

Both the energetic and biological line between yeasts and funguses is blurry at

best. As a general rule anti fungals are anti yeast and visa versa. depending

on the protein you are having trouble with fred, you may not have an adverse

reaction to hwey. you can also try goat's whey (Mt. Capra) and might be fine

with that. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

By not interfere with other foods, I mean it doesn't adversely affect the

taste. The Mayo Clinic in 1999 said that all sinus problems are due to fungus.

Therefore, I suggest taking natural antifungals to see if it will help you. I

don't think whey will have an adverse effect on candida. I think you need

antifungals. It certainly won't hurt to try.

Amber

I am not sure that I can take whey because it is dairy. Dairy gives

me sinus congestion. I don't know if it is the whey, the casein, or

something else. I guess I could try the whey protein, but I am a

little hesitant because my sinuses are better than ever not that I am

off of dairy.

I am also battling candida. Is whey okay when doing the candida diet?

Thanks.

p.s. What do you mean by it does not interfere with other foods?

.

[Guest guest]

It is hard to say exactly what. Many people are " lactose intolerant " . Lactose

is a milk sugar. For the first 3 years of life, us genetic northern European

dna types produce lactase (an enzyme that breaks lactose down) but after 3 years

the production diminishes rapidly. Asian descent looses all production and they

therefore have dramatic issues with dairy (notice that dairy has never been a

part of their cuisine). a lot of the time if it is a matter of lactose

intolerance a digestive enzyme containing lactase completely solves the problem.

In culured dairy products like cheese (hard cheeses), kefir, and yogurt, the

lactose is eaten by the bacterias and therefore lactose intolerant individuals

can consume these no problem. As was well pointed out by another individual the

allergic reaction could be to a number of proteins especially the casein. If

this is the problem, a digestive enzyme containing a number of different

proteases may do the trick. also, depending on the whey powder, some have been

" pre digested " and the casein has already been broken down. dairy is not

inherently evil. It is consumed in large quantities in many cultures with

little to no problem. Most use it almost exclusively in cultured form. Very

different than that glass of pasteurized homogenized growth hormone laden 2%

homo with synthetic V-D And V-A added that Mom got us on to wash down that P & J

sandwich made with Wonderbread (helps to destroy bodies in many more than 12

different ways). So in our culture we have ended up developing some pretty

nasty allergies to the stuff. What are the statistics? I believe it is 2/3rds

of all Americans have some type of negative reaction to Milk. Allergies are a

funky issue to deal with. It is basically the immune response developing a

reaction to something (almost always a protein) Many times it sees another

substance that appears with the allergen and then associates the two even though

they are different. You got bit by a German shepherd and now a miniature poodle

will send you running. Once a immune response has been developed it is a bit of

a bugger to get it to shut off but if it is to a specific protein, the enzymes

might work really well. all the best, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:53 PM

Subject: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

2 questions:

1) An allergic reaction to what? An earlier post indicated possibly

the casein.

2) What do you think of the whey protein powder sold at health food

stores?

Thanks so much!

>

> Whey should be just fine in terms of candida. In fact it is

promotive of lactobacillus and bifidus which are anti candida. The

sinus issues here are an allergic reaction not an infection though

the allergic reaction produces a catarrh discharge which will be

promotive of an infection setting in afterwards. Both the energetic

and biological line between yeasts and funguses is blurry at best.

As a general rule anti fungals are anti yeast and visa versa.

depending on the protein you are having trouble with fred, you may

not have an adverse reaction to hwey. you can also try goat's whey

(Mt. Capra) and might be fine with that. -D

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 12:08 PM

> Subject: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB

issues.

>

>

> By not interfere with other foods, I mean it doesn't adversely

affect the taste. The Mayo Clinic in 1999 said that all sinus

problems are due to fungus. Therefore, I suggest taking natural

antifungals to see if it will help you. I don't think whey will have

an adverse effect on candida. I think you need antifungals. It

certainly won't hurt to try.

>

> Amber

>

> I am not sure that I can take whey because it is dairy. Dairy

gives

> me sinus congestion. I don't know if it is the whey, the casein,

or

> something else. I guess I could try the whey protein, but I am a

> little hesitant because my sinuses are better than ever not that

I am

> off of dairy.

>

> I am also battling candida. Is whey okay when doing the candida

diet?

>

> Thanks.

>

> p.s. What do you mean by it does not interfere with other foods?

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I cannot imagine a better source of health info than this group

at times. Homogenization is another altering process. By permanently

suspending the fat within the aqueous portions a not so very nice enzyme by the

name of xanthine oxidase comes into play... I'm getting a heart attack just

thinking about it... -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: danyl777<mailto:ayejes@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

You are miss informed over the idea that unpasturized milk poses any

risk that is any different from pasturized. Many many years ago when

we first started farming and I came across the concept of raw milk

from local farmers. I studied and researched the history of

pasturized milk and discovered that it is a big hoax which only

purpose was to make the corporation that was setup to sell this

equipment rich.

The governments data was centered around one major corporate farm

which had already been repeatedly cited for dirty farm operations. So

it is no surprise that twice in one year that the farm had salminila

poisining in it's milk. But the thing is that pasturized milk has

been found to be contaminated with salminila as well. But it was this

farm that was used to cry how evil raw milk is. The senator who

pushed for this was also affiliated with the corporation that was

poised to sell the pasturizing equipment.

The reason why most people who are lactose intolerant can drink goats

milk is because the fat molecules are naturally broke down to simple

molecules, where as cow fat molecules are complex. It is the extra

hard work the body has to do to break up the cow fat that is difficult

in some people.

As far as pasturizing, I don't recall the exact medical reason that it

is bad, but I do remember one case study involving cats. The fed a

test group of cats, group A was feed pasturized milk and the other raw

milk. The cats that was feed pasturized milk was very anti-social.

The other group that was feed the raw milk were very social in

contrast. So what does that tell you about pasturizing. Besides that

our bodies need the bacteria and other enzymes that comes from raw foods.

> > >>

> > >>> My nutritionist told me to add whey protein powder to foods. I

> > >>>

> > >> either take it in a drink with milk and fruit, or just sprinkle

> some

> > >> on top of cereal. I use the vanilla flavor and it doesn't

> interfere

> > >> with other foods. I stay away from soy.

> > >>

> > >>> Amber

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> I would like to consume less meat and eggs, but I am

> struggling

> > >>>

> > >> with

> > >>

> > >>> not getting enough protein in my diet.

> > >>>

> > >>> Soy is a good source of protein, but it is supposedly not

> healthy

> > >>>

> > >> due

> > >>

> > >>> to a number of factors.

> > >>>

> > >>> Does anyone have any suggestions?

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> .

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

You are right, homogenization is not good, the interesting thing with goat milk

is that it is naturally homogenized, unlike cows milk. The other thing that I

did not mention is that since I have friends who owns a milking truck route

business, that is they pick up the milk from the farmers, so I know a few things

about the condition of store bought milk. Some thing that most people don't

know is that there precious store bought grade A milk is not so pure. The

chemical sterilization liquid used to clean the equipment is in the milk you are

drinking. To explain, the farmer is required to use this liquid to sterilize

equipment. This liquid is sprayed down the tubes but when the liquid is drained

there is still a liquid residue inside the tubes. So when the milk flows down

it goes into the holding tank. By the time the hauler comes to pick up the

milk, when he first opens the sloush valve what comes out is the chemical

liquid. Granted we are talking maybe a gallon or so compared to hundreds of

gallons of milk. But you know I don't go for the concept of a little arsenic in

the water is good for me either.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 7:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

Thanks . I cannot imagine a better source of health info than this group

at times. Homogenization is another altering process. By permanently suspending

the fat within the aqueous portions a not so very nice enzyme by the name of

xanthine oxidase comes into play... I'm getting a heart attack just thinking

about it... -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: danyl777<mailto:ayejes@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: Went to a Natural Dr. for help with GB issues.

You are miss informed over the idea that unpasturized milk poses any

risk that is any different from pasturized. Many many years ago when

we first started farming and I came across the concept of raw milk

from local farmers. I studied and researched the history of

pasturized milk and discovered that it is a big hoax which only

purpose was to make the corporation that was setup to sell this

equipment rich.

The governments data was centered around one major corporate farm

which had already been repeatedly cited for dirty farm operations. So

it is no surprise that twice in one year that the farm had salminila

poisining in it's milk. But the thing is that pasturized milk has

been found to be contaminated with salminila as well. But it was this

farm that was used to cry how evil raw milk is. The senator who

pushed for this was also affiliated with the corporation that was

poised to sell the pasturizing equipment.

The reason why most people who are lactose intolerant can drink goats

milk is because the fat molecules are naturally broke down to simple

molecules, where as cow fat molecules are complex. It is the extra

hard work the body has to do to break up the cow fat that is difficult

in some people.

As far as pasturizing, I don't recall the exact medical reason that it

is bad, but I do remember one case study involving cats. The fed a

test group of cats, group A was feed pasturized milk and the other raw

milk. The cats that was feed pasturized milk was very anti-social.

The other group that was feed the raw milk were very social in

contrast. So what does that tell you about pasturizing. Besides that

our bodies need the bacteria and other enzymes that comes from raw foods.

> > >>

> > >>> My nutritionist told me to add whey protein powder to foods. I

> > >>>

> > >> either take it in a drink with milk and fruit, or just sprinkle

> some

> > >> on top of cereal. I use the vanilla flavor and it doesn't

> interfere

> > >> with other foods. I stay away from soy.

> > >>

> > >>> Amber

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> I would like to consume less meat and eggs, but I am

> struggling

> > >>>

> > >> with

> > >>

> > >>> not getting enough protein in my diet.

> > >>>

> > >>> Soy is a good source of protein, but it is supposedly not

> healthy

> > >>>

> > >> due

> > >>

> > >>> to a number of factors.

> > >>>

> > >>> Does anyone have any suggestions?

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> .

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>