Enzyme question

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> Houston's new chewable Prime Zyme. I am beginning to worry. He was

also

> very stimmy tonight. More so than I've seen him in a long time. But,

> his eye contact was great, and he used great language. He's 4.5 yrs

> old. It is almost like a " die off " reaction to yeast that I've read

> about. We've made no changes to his yeast protocol. I thought enzymes

> might actually help us fight the yeast.

He might not tolerate the flavors. Try giving this enzyme with

No-Fenol, see if that helps.

Sometimes enzymes cause a temporary increase of yeast, followed by a

die off.

Typically, enzymes cause a 3 week " adjustment period " , so might be that.

So could be any of those.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I was giving one chewable enzyme with each meal (3 total-- too much?)

This is not too much in general, but for some kids, you might want to

start with giving one chewable with one meal for a few days, then add

the next meal, etc.

> He is still gfcf, but he eats soy products,

Use the AFP Peptizyde chewable for soy.

Dana

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no-fenol causes yeast die-off?

If so, that could be the cause of his reaction. i did give him a

no-fenol Sat. and Sun.

On Sunday, July 10, 2005, at 09:42 PM, lanellici wrote:

>

> > Houston's new chewable Prime Zyme. I am beginning to worry. He was

> also 

> > very stimmy tonight. More so than I've seen him in a long time. But, 

> > his eye contact was great, and he used great language. He's 4.5 yrs 

> > old. It is almost like a " die off " reaction to yeast that I've read 

> > about. We've made no changes to his yeast protocol. I thought

> enzymes 

> > might actually help us fight the yeast.

> > Ensymes really seemed like the right step, but maybe he can't

> tolerate 

> > them.

>

> Is this his first go with enzymes? If so, what you're describing is

> right on target -- some regression mixed with improvements. There's

> usually an adjustment period that can take anywhere from a week to 3

> months, because the enzymes are making so many changes to the gut. If

> the balanace tips way to the regression side you can lower the

> dose...but a long as you're seeing good stuff too I'd try to hang in

> there.

>

> It took my son 10 days of holy hell (with glimpses of sunshine) and

> after that *huge improvements. I think with him the main adjustment

> was yeast die-off from No-Fenol.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I believe that initially the adjustment of enzymes can cause an temporary

increase in yeast.... and there can be some die off, however, long term, the

no-fenol is a good part of the protocol to assist fighting yeast. If you

are seeing symptoms.... do you have GSE that you could give for a few days?

Of course you need to give it away from the enzymes and probiotics.

Jackie---

no-fenol causes yeast die-off?

If so, that could be the cause of his reaction. i did give him a

no-fenol Sat. and Sun.

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Ronnie, I wish I had an explanation for this, but I haven't run across

it and no one else I asked appears to know exactly either.

I am invited to do a book signing this coming week at the largest

national natural food convention. This is a great opportunity because

there will be tons of people with tons of products and tons of

information. It's a trade event where companies introduce new products

to store owners as well as speakers talking on natural health topics.

I'll see if I can't run into someone that might have an explanation for

this wetting problem.

I'm also going to scout out anything new of viral control issues,

special diet foods, and of course enzymes and any supplements for kids.

Any other requests?

.

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>

> Ronnie, I wish I had an explanation for this, but I haven't run

across

> it and no one else I asked appears to know exactly either.

>

> I am invited to do a book signing this coming week at the largest

> national natural food convention. This is a great opportunity

because

> there will be tons of people with tons of products and tons of

> information. It's a trade event where companies introduce new

products

> to store owners as well as speakers talking on natural health

topics.

> I'll see if I can't run into someone that might have an explanation

for

> this wetting problem.

>

> I'm also going to scout out anything new of viral control issues,

> special diet foods, and of course enzymes and any supplements for

kids.

> Any other requests?

If ya find a source for a few spare nerves , I would really love

that...lol

If you find any references or info on the differences between FAS and

just autism...no offense meant there to anyone...and the

combinations...that would also be a great help..since we are dealing

with both issues here.

I really appreciate you taking time to help us with our problems...I

know you are terribly busy...and I really am thankful and grateful

any and all help with my special angels.

thanks

Ronni

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

>>>> If ya find a source for a few spare nerves , I would really

love that...lol

Wouldn't it be great if you could buy those in 5 gallon buckets at

Sam's or Costco?

>>> I really appreciate you taking time to help us with our

problems...I know you are terribly busy...and I really am thankful

and grateful any and all help with my special angels.

Thank you so kindly! It's been just about 5 years I've been

moderating/managing this group. The first few years were quite

intense. Quite a few people put in rather long hours toward the whole

group effort. Sometimes the minutes just run out of the day before

all the researching and writing is done.

A LOT of folks have gotten better and moved on (which is a fabulous

reason to leave)...or found more lucrative financial rewards for

their efforts...or just want to get on with other things. But some of

us stay with it (Dana and Mandi are two that have been here f-o-r-e-v-

e-r!). A LOT of changes in autism biomed have happened because of

this group. It's taken enzyme therapy from a 'what's that' bottom-of-

the-bucket supplement to front-and-center-on-top-of-the-heap.

And the big part is what everyone here contributes. Every 'average

joe.' Everyone's experience counts toward the total. So, thank you

for being here!

.

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I know the timing seems suspicious, but some ASD kids that age

spontaneously develop spastic bladder, even after being trained for

years. It happened to my son, who is low functioning. Oxybutinin (name

brand Ditropan) solved this for us. Of course, we then had to use a

behavioral program, because he had learned how to " use " his accidents,

but that worked pretty quickly once we learned the right negative

reinforcer (one minute of watching a video that scared him -- sounds

cruel, but he was peeing on the floor of his room every night and

laughing about it.)

B.

>

> Hi

>

> My kids have been on Houston for about 6 months. For the most part all

> three of em are doing much much better.....except 7 has become

> totally unpee trained. Was completely trained pee and poop before we

> started. But now...no way. The enzymes seemed to help get pee

> trained but went the other way. He is my Kanners so I am a bit

> confused here...since he was trained first and now is only poop

> trained. Was thinking it was yeast but even when we get that settled

> it seems no better...and we are dealing with the virus issues...any

> ideas why?? We have tried rewards and punishment and neither has any

> effect on him...for more than a couple hours at the longest...thanks

> for your help

> Ronni

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for you kind response. It was most kind of you and I really

do appreciate it. Especially since I found out some interesting information

for maybe all of us...

_http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Hypotonic_Bladder.asp_

(http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Hypotonic_Bladder.asp)

I was looking the drug you mention and came up with spastic bladder so I

googled it and this is one of the sites that I came up with....and it isn't even

a holistic or natural site!!!

I did look up the drug and since my kids are so sensitive...I always look

for worst case scenario...and this drug is too scarey for me...but I am so

pleased that it is good for your kiddo. I think I will see if chelation

helps...that just might be one of our biggies to come!

Thanks again.

Ronni

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Ronnie? Do you mean ditropan (which I'm scared of too) or Elmiron

(which has the least side effects of any drug I've ever taken)?

I tried to look on this site and all I found was a program on urinary

incontinence. But there was a nice one that might help our kids on

" Bladderman " and how the child is in control of his or her urination.

Here's a funny one...I actually had a good side-effect to

Elmiron...it caused some of my hair which was going white to re-gain

its color, I think because it is a very slight blood thinner and more

blood got to the hair roots--can't think of any other reason.

Anyway, look around a bit more on the IC sites I sent, something

might be helpful. There are a lot of other ways to deal with this

besides drugs, surgery or pads/diapers.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:35 AM, HISSPECIALTOUCH@... wrote:

>

> Thanks so much for you kind response. It was most kind of you and

> I really

> do appreciate it. Especially since I found out some interesting

> information

> for maybe all of us...

>

> _http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Hypotonic_Bladder.asp_

> (http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Hypotonic_Bladder.asp)

>

> I was looking the drug you mention and came up with spastic bladder

> so I

> googled it and this is one of the sites that I came up with....and

> it isn't even

> a holistic or natural site!!!

>

> I did look up the drug and since my kids are so sensitive...I

> always look

> for worst case scenario...and this drug is too scarey for me...but

> I am so

> pleased that it is good for your kiddo. I think I will see if

> chelation

> helps...that just might be one of our biggies to come!

>

> Thanks again.

>

> Ronni

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How long until you noticed the enzymes working to help with behavior

> and anxiety?

It usually takes 3 weeks or so, altho can be shorter or sometimes longer.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Can you give candidase and virastop at the same time?

I did. The combination was effective for virus elimination and did

help control the yeast that viral " die off " usually causes. I did

need additional yeast control for a few months tho.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I don't know for sure...maybe someone else does but I would think it

would help you lose weight because it helps break down the food, making

your metabolism more efficient. Maybe that explains your hunger

though, if your food isn't sitting in your stomach as long.

Honestly though, I have no idea. Love, PH

>

> I have a silly question - when you take digestive enzymes, do or can

> they cause you to gain weight? It just seems like ever since I have

> been taking them I feel hungry more often after I eat. Used to be

that

> I did not get hungry much between meals but now I get hungry more

> often. Just wondered if they are know to cause hunger or if the fact

> that they help digest the food makes you hold more of the sugars,

fats

> and carbs from your food in your system????

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if you've done the go back to like three foods, add one in

after two weeks etc. POFAKS is the place to start to research the entire

food issue. I've also heard of even older kids, sorry didn't see the ages

of your kids, going on like neocate only formula. They also have a support

group there. This allows the body to heal for a period of time and then

introduce foods one at a time. I guess that would be my only suggestions.

There were parents there on that board in the past.

Tammy

Enzyme question

My twins have an autistic enterocolitis dx. They have been on creon-10

and pentasa for just over 1 year. I have used various Kirkman and

Houston enzymes but have not seen improvement. I hate to sound dumb

because at one time when was doing an enzyme study, I was part of

it, but at that time had NO clue. After 2 years, I have learned quite a

bit. I have always started with an 1/8 of the capsule and worked my way

up to a whole capsule but their bowels become worse. More mucusy,

frothy and more watery. We are going to be taking them into see Dr.

Krigsman but have not had our first consult yet. Any suggestions?

Should I just wait to see what happens after their scopes? I apologize

if the answer is somewhere in the archives...

in PA

www.babyhomepages.net/thegillespiefamily/

[Guest guest]

Are enzymes destroyed when food is frozen? I make fruit smoothies

frequently during the week using various frozen berries.

Thanks,

Sponge

Dave Shelden wrote:

> Hi Marilyn,

>

> Extremely quick primer on digestive enzymes. Amylases work on carbos,

proteases work on proteins, lipases on fats. Your saliva produces pytalin (sp?)

also known as salivary amylase (works only on carbos. different from my most

revered dog, he produces proteases). Therefore mixing your food with saliva

during the chewing process is very important. The stomach produces HCL (a

major, major issue) and pepsin (remember Beeman's gum?) which work on proteins.

Liver produces bile to emulsify fats. Pancreas produces all three (known as

tryptin, Chymotryptin, and pancreatin). This is your bodies ability to digest

minus the until now unmentioned factor of yeasts and bacterias within the

digestive tract that do some of it for you also. Raw foods contain a lot of

these. All enzymes are destroyed between 113 and 126 degrees f.. therefore any

cooked or processed foods are devoid of those which are naturally occurring. We

did not " evolve " eating cooked foods. They did not appear as a major source

until perhaps the past 10,000 years and even more so over the last several

hundred. Therefore supplementation with enzymes when consuming cooked or

processed foods may be wise. As I said in my resent response to Fred, Dr.

Howell's works are classic. Also try " Smokey " Santillo, the ND who

spearheads NSA's juice plus (all marketing with some good digestive enzymes).

-D

[Guest guest]

Nope, you are totally ok with that one. Just keep in mind that frozen foods do

deteriorate, just at a slower pace. -DaveDave

gallstones@...: egroups@...: Wed, 16 Apr

2008 09:26:42 -0600Subject: Enzyme question

Are enzymes destroyed when food is frozen? I make fruit smoothies frequently

during the week using various frozen berries.Thanks,SpongeDave Shelden wrote:>

Hi Marilyn,>> Extremely quick primer on digestive enzymes. Amylases work on

carbos, proteases work on proteins, lipases on fats. Your saliva produces

pytalin (sp?) also known as salivary amylase (works only on carbos. different

from my most revered dog, he produces proteases). Therefore mixing your food

with saliva during the chewing process is very important. The stomach produces

HCL (a major, major issue) and pepsin (remember Beeman's gum?) which work on

proteins. Liver produces bile to emulsify fats. Pancreas produces all three

(known as tryptin, Chymotryptin, and pancreatin). This is your bodies ability to

digest minus the until now unmentioned factor of yeasts and bacterias within the

digestive tract that do some of it for you also. Raw foods contain a lot of

these. All enzymes are destroyed between 113 and 126 degrees f.. therefore any

cooked or processed foods are devoid of those which are naturally occurring. We

did not " evolve " eating cooked foods. They did not appear as a major source

until perhaps the past 10,000 years and even more so over the last several

hundred. Therefore supplementation with enzymes when consuming cooked or

processed foods may be wise. As I said in my resent response to Fred, Dr.

Howell's works are classic. Also try " Smokey " Santillo, the ND who spearheads

NSA's juice plus (all marketing with some good digestive enzymes). -D

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Enzymes DEFINATELY help with infractions!  We have cleared up lots of

sensitivities by using enzymes everytime we eat anything.

Enzyme question

Hello!

I am very confused about enzymes? If you are taking them can you eat

foods you may have a sensitivity too?

I have 4 children -1 PDD-NOS-6, 1 severe ADHD 13yo, and the other 2

have bowel issues (4yo and 13 yo) as well as my husband.

I have been trying to begin implementing the GFCF diet- have starting

taking out dairy which helped a lot-

however they keep cheating at school/work (the 2 oldest are 13-and are

more difficult to monitor when outside)

will enzymes help with this?

any info wou8ld be great!

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> I am very confused about enzymes? If you are taking them can you eat

> foods you may have a sensitivity too?

At my house, it depended on why there was a problem with the food.

For " sensitivity " , we could usually eat the food with an appropriate

enzyme.

I used HNI enzymes with much success

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana