Re: Magnesium and gallstones

[Guest guest]

Interesting.

I wonder if a person worked on getting their body in an alkaline state

if stones would naturally dissolve? I mean if the body is chelating

and creating stones as a type of back up reserve due to a lack of a

mineral, than what would happen if the body was given an excess of

that mineral. Not an extreme excess but say maybe just a little above

what it needs so that it would register that it does not need to be

storing reserves and more.

Also if our diets are lacking in magnesium than what shoudl be take as

a supplement. I also wonder what if I where to just drink a little

epsom salt every day, and if so how much would be a good amount to

maintain a descent magnesium level. If epsom salt is the wrong type

of magnesium, then please let me know.

I wonder if in the flushes, by taking a large amount of epsom salt

also sends a trigger to the body that it does not need to try and

retain the gallstones if the body's purpose for them is a type of

mineral reserve?

Any and all thoughts would be interesting.

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> I recently came across the article pasted below, which came from from

> the people at this site:

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> http://www.phmiracleliving.com/index.html

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> and thought it might be of interest to folks on this list.

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> A diet rich in magnesium appears to reduce

> the risk developing painful gallstones,

> according to findings from a US study.

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> Consumption of magnesium has been declining

> over the years, due in part to the overprocessing

> of foods, Dr. Chung-Jyi Tsai and associates note

> in their report in the American Journal of

> Gastroenterology.

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> Magnesium deficiency is known to raise

> triglyceride levels and decrease HDL ( " good " )

> cholesterol levels in the blood, both of which

> may increase the risk of developing gallstones.

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> According to Dr. O. Young, a research

> scientist at the pH Miracle Living Center,

> " magnesium is a major alkaline buffer of

> dietary and metabolic acids, which can cause

> brain stones, breast stones, liver stones

> and gallbladder stones. When we increase

> magnesium the body can better regulate

> fluid pH, temperature and oxidative

> reduction potential. It is also important

> to understand that all stones, wherever they

> may appear in the body are nothing more then

> dietary and/or metabolic acids that have

> been chelated or buffered with alkaline

> mineral salts in protecting and preserving

> the delicate alkaline design of the body. "

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> http://www.phmiracleliving.com/pHourSalts.htm

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> To investigate, Tsai, from the University of

> Kentucky Medical Center in Lexington, and

> colleagues analyzed data from 42,705 men,

> between 40 and 75 years of age, who were

> enrolled in the Health Professionals Follow-up

> Study. The men were followed from 1986 to 2002.

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> The subjects were surveyed every 2 years to

> assess the occurrence of new illnesses,

> including gallbladder dis-ease. Magnesium

> consumption was determined with a semiquantitative

> food frequency questionnaire sent to the participants

> every 4 years.

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> During follow-up, 2195 men were diagnosed with

> acidic gallstones, the researchers found.

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> Compared with the lowest level of total magnesium

> intake, the highest intake reduced the risk of

> acidic galltones by 33 percent. The same risk

> reduction was seen when considering just dietary

> magnesium, when supplements were excluded.

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> " From many studies by this group and others, it

> appears that a generally healthy dietary pattern,

> with more plant-based foods, fiber, and increasing

> complex carbohydrates, and now increasing magnesium

> intake will decrease the risk of symptomatic

> gallstones, " Dr. W. Ko, from the University

> of Washington in Seattle, writes in an accompanying

> editorial. " This 'healthy' alkaline dietary pattern

> will also help in prevention of other chronic

> dis-eases in addition to gallstones. "

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> Resource:

> American Journal of Gastroenterology, February 2008

>

[Guest guest]

Disease cannot live in an alkaline body, so, yes, it is an interesting

thought. As far as an excess of magnesium, too much magnesium causes

diarrhea.

Amber

> I wonder if a person worked on getting their body in an alkaline state

> if stones would naturally dissolve? I mean if the body is chelating

> and creating stones as a type of back up reserve due to a lack of a

> mineral, than what would happen if the body was given an excess of

> that mineral. Not an extreme excess but say maybe just a little above

> what it needs so that it would register that it does not need to be

> storing reserves and more.

>

> Any and all thoughts would be interesting.

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[Guest guest]

Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises

when we refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and

refined vegetable oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they

require the body to draw on its magnesium reserves in order to utilize

the refined foods for energy. It's not surprising that so many

Americans are deficient in magnesium! Interestingly, chocolate

cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

[Guest guest]

Wow, that is really interesting, the comment about chocolate cravings.

Because most of my life I have craved chocolate like it was some kind

of a necessity. I mean I have felt like I couldn't even live if I

didn't have any chocolate. I am not use to the dark chocolate, don't

care for the taste of it. But I do seem to have a craving for the

natural chocolate. The more cocoa beans in it the better. My problem

is that even though my body really wants me to eat the high cocoa bean

chocolate, my taste buds says something else. Usually I will get the

natural milk chocolate, it's a bit lower in cocoa bean count.

Another interesting thing is that I have been having more problems

with gallbladder pain so I am about to do another flush. But the

interesting thing is that I have been drinking some epsom salt water

because it makes the pain deminish or go away. It seems to depend on

how much epsom salt I use. Last night I used 2 teaspoons and it

really helped.

I still got a ways to go in changing my diet.

--- In gallstones , " stephabrewer " <stephabrewer@...>

wrote:

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> Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises

> when we refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and

> refined vegetable oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they

> require the body to draw on its magnesium reserves in order to utilize

> the refined foods for energy. It's not surprising that so many

> Americans are deficient in magnesium! Interestingly, chocolate

> cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

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[Guest guest]

You are so right about the cravings and magnesium. When you have

cravings in general, especially chocolate or sugar foods, it could

mean a magnesium defieciency. If people would indeed eat correctly

they wouldn't have them, but with our SAD (Standard American Diet),

most of us are deficient in many things, especially magnesium. But

like with all things, moderation should be the key. It worries me that

someone might take a huge amount of say magnesium or Vit. B1 for

example. The mineral or B Complex balance might be thrown off, and

this throws the body out of balance. It's always best to try to get

our nutrition from Mother Nature. And there's always the worry that

the vits and mins that we take are made from inorganic stuff, not to

mention having lead or something else harmful in them. Who wants that

in our bodies?? I know I don't. So we have to do the best we can,

try to juice, our greens espcecially, eat enough live and living foods

(cultured), and some nuts and seeds if you choose to. Those eating

animal flesh should try to go for the organic to avoid the hormones,

etc.

We all strive to be healthier, and I know for me that includes doing

liver/gallbladder flushes. The way to keep the stones, in my opinion,

is to stop harming our bodies by taking in the foods that cause them.

And who drinks enough pure WATER?? I know I don't!

Thanks for hearin' me out!

herbladie

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> Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises

> when we refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup,

and

> refined vegetable oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they

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[Guest guest]

Yah! Also, hemoglobin and chlorophyll are identical molecules except that

hemoglobin has an iron molecule in the middle and chlorophyll a magnesium...

What does that tell you about the SAD diet? -DDave

gallstones@...: stephabrewer@...: Sat, 26 Apr 2008

14:38:58 +0000Subject: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises when we

refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and refined vegetable

oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they require the body to draw on

its magnesium reserves in order to utilize the refined foods for energy. It's

not surprising that so many Americans are deficient in magnesium! Interestingly,

chocolate cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

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[Guest guest]

I have to challenge anyone who says that any nutrient is plentiful just because

those foods are wholefoods.

There have been tests done around the world..but perhaps mainly from the uk..on

the levels of minerals in our vegetables and these have greatly declines since

the 1050's ..due to the soil being deficient in minerals.

Now unless a farmer is feeding his crops with volcanic rock dust ...those

organic vegetables or nuts or fruits may be far less nutritious than we

suppose..

wholefoods is way better than refined of course..but with Magnesium your best

bet is to get magnesium oil and rub it all over your body every day..you should

feel the benefits in many different ways in a month or so.

thanks

aNNE

[Guest guest]

I totally agree, I also have seen the research that shows the

declining mineral levels, but I have also seen research that shows

it's not just the lack of minerals in the soil. Which is not to say

that the research was diminishing the low mineral levels, but there is

also the problem with hybrid food. First hybrid food is designed to

be able to grow with lower levels of minerals. This is done to help

answer the low levels of minerals in the ground. So if you grow

hybrid even in fully sufficiently mineralized ground, the hybrids

would still be deficient in minerals. The other thing is that hybrid

foods typically have 40% more starch than heirloom food. So there in

lies another problem with SAD. Even if Americans try to eat healthy,

it is still problematic due to the who hybrid food supply.

On a personal note, I myself still struggle with SAD, due to the way I

was raised. Unfortunately growing up it was not like at my grand

parents house, where the was fruit on the table 24/7. No, instead I

was raised on pop, candy and chips being on the table 24/7 in place of

fruit and vegetables.

>

> I have to challenge anyone who says that any nutrient is plentiful

just because those foods are wholefoods.

>

> There have been tests done around the world..but perhaps mainly from

the uk..on the levels of minerals in our vegetables and these have

greatly declines since the 1050's ..due to the soil being deficient in

minerals.

>

> Now unless a farmer is feeding his crops with volcanic rock dust

....those organic vegetables or nuts or fruits may be far less

nutritious than we suppose..

>

> wholefoods is way better than refined of course..but with Magnesium

your best bet is to get magnesium oil and rub it all over your body

every day..you should feel the benefits in many different ways in a

month or so.

>

> thanks

>

> aNNE

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>

[Guest guest]

good point about hybrid foods.. in fact if humans had pretty left things alone

they could have not got into this dreadful mess of the potential food shortage

about to hit...

if you think this is scaremongering there is plenty info out there.

Bees are dieing off at a great rate..could be toxins or emfs..no pollination no

food..ok its not dire yet..but its getting there..

yes I am g oing off the gallstone subject, but we all gotta eat aint we!

anne

[Guest guest]

In my opinion you are not going off of the GB talk. Earlier we had

someone inform us that there is evidence that gallstones could also be

the bodies way of storing up magnesium reserves which gets depleted

when we eat refined foods, corn syrup etc. The fact of the matter is

that for all that medical science does know, there is more that they

don't. I have read numerous times from scientist who say that each

time they learn one new thing it opens up ten more questions.

Beyond that we could just consider how often medical science tells us

something is good or bad and a few years later they change their mind.

I think that what is missing in a lot of ways is common sense. For

instance poisons kill. I mean if I where to bake some brownies and

tell everyone before hand that I put just a itty bitty pinch of

arsenic in it and I showed the bottle so you would know that I was not

joking; do you think they would eat it? I know I wouldn't.

But yet poisons are being put into our food, water and environment and

we are told that small levels are acceptable. There is research out

there that shows how America's health as steeply declined ever since

the use of poisons has become so prevalent. So my point is that how

do we know that gallstones is not also a factor in our bodies being

exposed to such poisons.

I myself don't really believe that all the poison sprayed on food gets

washed off. I am sure some poison leaches into the food that is

sprayed. And I am sure some doctor somewhere, paid enough money, will

say that it is an expectable level of poison. Just like the microwave

oven. Who cares that the radiation leakage is at an expectable level,

who cares that the food is being radiated with radiation poisoning

because they claim it is expectable levels. And who cares that

European Scientist have found that the low levels of radiation

poisoning in the food is impairing the bodies immune system. Who

cares because someone is paying me big money to say what they want to

hear.

It could be that some of us are having allergic reactions to the

poisons that we are being exposed to, plus other elements including

SAD. Which all added up equals gallstones.

Personally I think what is killing off the bees are agricultural

pesticides. There have already been numerous studies showing how

these pesticides are killing insects and fowls (including the bald

eagle), so it would only be obvious I think that it would continue to

progress to bees. These pesticides to not just disappear after they

are applied. They run off in the water to contaminate other areas and

they just keeping dumping more and more of it on the earth. All due

to corporate idiots who don't care about anything other than the extra

dollar they can make.

If we kill off all our food supply, it won't matter if you are Bill

Gates or some other huge multi billionaire. All the money in the

world won't be worth spit if there is no food to be found.

So I think environmental issues are interrelated with the issues of

the gallbladder.

>

> good point about hybrid foods.. in fact if humans had pretty left

things alone they could have not got into this dreadful mess of the

potential food shortage about to hit...

>

> if you think this is scaremongering there is plenty info out there.

>

> Bees are dieing off at a great rate..could be toxins or emfs..no

pollination no food..ok its not dire yet..but its getting there..

>

> yes I am g oing off the gallstone subject, but we all gotta eat aint we!

>

> anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of hemoglobin molecules - does anyone know of a blood borne parasite

that lives on hemoglobin?  I've been told I have such a parasite, that it is

very common and is reproducing in my bloodstream causing me mild anemia.

From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

gallstones

Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:34 PM

Yah! Also, hemoglobin and chlorophyll are identical molecules except that

hemoglobin has an iron molecule in the middle and chlorophyll a magnesium...

What does that tell you about the SAD diet? -DDave

gallstones@...: stephabrewer@...: Sat, 26 Apr

2008 14:38:58 +0000Subject: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises when we

refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and refined vegetable

oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they require the body to draw on

its magnesium reserves in order to utilize the refined foods for energy.

It's not surprising that so many Americans are deficient in magnesium!

Interestingly, chocolate cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

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[Guest guest]

Yea there's a bunch. Babesia can cause it but so can Ehrlichia.

However Lyme disease which is the immune disrupter (allowing

opportunistic infections like Babesia and Ehrlichia to replicate) can

also damage the body's ability to produce red blood cells in the first

place. Hence giving anemic like symptoms.

Brad

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> From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

> gallstones

> Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:34 PM

>

> Yah! Also, hemoglobin and chlorophyll are identical molecules

except that

> hemoglobin has an iron molecule in the middle and chlorophyll a

magnesium...

> What does that tell you about the SAD diet? -DDave

>

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> gallstones@...: stephabrewer@...: Sat, 26 Apr

> 2008 14:38:58 +0000Subject: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

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> Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises

when we

> refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and

refined vegetable

> oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they require the body

to draw on

> its magnesium reserves in order to utilize the refined foods for energy.

> It's not surprising that so many Americans are deficient in magnesium!

> Interestingly, chocolate cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

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[Guest guest]

No wonder I love chocolete so much!  ithought it was merely hormonal!

 

I'm not so good at the advice giving...but can I interest you in a sacastic

comment?

From: ontarioguy2334 <ontarioguy2334@...>

Subject: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

gallstones

Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 12:41 PM

Yea there's a bunch. Babesia can cause it but so can Ehrlichia.

However Lyme disease which is the immune disrupter (allowing

opportunistic infections like Babesia and Ehrlichia to replicate) can

also damage the body's ability to produce red blood cells in the first

place. Hence giving anemic like symptoms.

Brad

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> From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawarene ss@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

> gallstones@gro ups.com

> Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 1:34 PM

>

> Yah! Also, hemoglobin and chlorophyll are identical molecules

except that

> hemoglobin has an iron molecule in the middle and chlorophyll a

magnesium...

> What does that tell you about the SAD diet? -DDave

>

>

> gallstones@. ..: stephabrewer@ ...: Sat, 26 Apr

> 2008 14:38:58 +0000Subject: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

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> Magnesium is plentiful in a diet of whole foods. The problem arrises

when we

> refine those foods. White flour, white sugar, corn syrup, and

refined vegetable

> oils are not only deficient in Magnesium, but they require the body

to draw on

> its magnesium reserves in order to utilize the refined foods for energy.

> It's not surprising that so many Americans are deficient in magnesium!

> Interestingly, chocolate cravings are a symptom of magnesium deficiency.

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[Guest guest]

No wonder I love chocolete so much! ithought it was merely hormonal!

I may have missed this post, but if you love chocolate, that means you are

deficient in magnesium.

Amber

[Guest guest]

while chocolate is high in magnesium and someone might crave chocolate because

of being low, the main reason for cravings is that there are compounds in

chocolate that bind to the endocanabinol receptor sites. therefore producing a

state of " euphoria " .Dave

gallstones@...: amber@...: Fri, 4 Jul 2008

12:33:39 -0500Subject: Re: Re: Magnesium and gallstones

No wonder I love chocolete so much! ithought it was merely hormonal!I may have

missed this post, but if you love chocolate, that means you are deficient in

magnesium.Amber

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