Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

[Guest guest]

I take powdered malic acid in the days leading up to the flush which is

suppose to soften the stones. For those who know for sure that they

don't have a candida problem, the malic acid can be obtained by

consuming large amounts of apple cider in the days leading up to the

cleanse rather than the powdered form.

In s Moritz book, he recommends no animal products in the days

leading up to the cleanse. He also recommends no supplements or

medicines that are not absolutley essential.

And definitely no fat intake the day of the cleanse.

Hope this helps...

>

> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have skin

> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove them

> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

>

[Guest guest]

The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the stones so that they

can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you still have stones? Your other

problems could be due to a fungal problem. If your doctor won't prescribe

Nystatin, go to a health food store and buy some natural antifungals. If you

want a list of where to buy them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

Amber

I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have skin

problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove them

so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

.

[Guest guest]

The purpose of the olive oil is to make the GB contract in hopes of

expelling some stones with the contraction. That is why you don't

consume fat the day of the cleanse. The GB builds up bile when no

fat is present. Then, when it is hit with a whole bunch of fat at

once, the olive oil, it gives a pretty stong contraction or squeezing

effect. The more bile stored up, the better chance of expelling some

stones.

The purpose of the malic acid is to soften the stones. As an

alternative to the malic acid, www.sensiblehealth.com offers some

supplements that is suppose to soften the stones as well.

>

> The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the stones

so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you still

have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal problem.

If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food store

and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to buy

them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

>

> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have

skin

> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove

them

> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rockin' rollin'. Fred as usual is right on the money. Lecithin will help also.

Keep in mind the major components of bile and the balance of such to keep things

in suspension:

Cholesterol (80% of all gallstones in western culture are " cholesterol " stones),

Water (believe it our not the main constituent as the bile leaves the liver.

The bile that travels up the gallbladder bile duct and ends up in the

gallbladder is then concentrated by the assimilation of some of this water),

therefore lots of water is also very effective in dissolution of stones.

Lecithin: an emulsifier, has both a lipo (fat) and hydro (water) end to

emulsify fats and water (bile is like mayonnaise, a combo of fats and aqueous

components), one of the main ingredients to keep the cholesterol in suspension

(if it does not stay in suspension it coagulates into what some call " stones " ).

Bile salts: Acids bound to a mineral (technically visa versa). This is where

the malic acid that Fred mentioned is so important. Acids are dissolving (most

of the time). The second largest solid ingredient of western gallstones is

mineral in composition. If you do not have the bile acids to balance then the

minerals precipitate (not a wanted thing). For those of you of Asian decent or

geographical location this is a bit different: The major type of gallstone is

(billirubin) which is the next component: Billirubin; the pigment in red blood

cell (you turn over red blood cells constantly. These are the truckers of

oxygen. The liver is responsible for the filtering of old (several days)

truckers and the elimination of such through none other than your bile. We need

a happy mix of the previous. If the balance goes out... Ouch! Help!... I

think I am going to die!... Maybe, but let's try some things first... -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:38 AM

Subject: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

The purpose of the olive oil is to make the GB contract in hopes of

expelling some stones with the contraction. That is why you don't

consume fat the day of the cleanse. The GB builds up bile when no

fat is present. Then, when it is hit with a whole bunch of fat at

once, the olive oil, it gives a pretty stong contraction or squeezing

effect. The more bile stored up, the better chance of expelling some

stones.

The purpose of the malic acid is to soften the stones. As an

alternative to the malic acid, www.sensiblehealth.com offers some

supplements that is suppose to soften the stones as well.

>

> The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the stones

so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you still

have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal problem.

If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food store

and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to buy

them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

>

> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have

skin

> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove

them

> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is the saliva test a good method for determining if one has a candida

problem?

Sponge

fjnie1234 wrote:

> I take powdered malic acid in the days leading up to the flush which is

> suppose to soften the stones. For those who know for sure that they

> don't have a candida problem, the malic acid can be obtained by

> consuming large amounts of apple cider in the days leading up to the

> cleanse rather than the powdered form.

>

> In s Moritz book, he recommends no animal products in the days

> leading up to the cleanse. He also recommends no supplements or

> medicines that are not absolutley essential.

>

> And definitely no fat intake the day of the cleanse.

>

> Hope this helps...

>

>

>

>> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

>> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have skin

>> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

>> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove them

>> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

>>

>>

>

>

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What is the largest stone anyone has ever expelled?

Sponge

fjnie1234 wrote:

> The purpose of the olive oil is to make the GB contract in hopes of

> expelling some stones with the contraction. That is why you don't

> consume fat the day of the cleanse. The GB builds up bile when no

> fat is present. Then, when it is hit with a whole bunch of fat at

> once, the olive oil, it gives a pretty stong contraction or squeezing

> effect. The more bile stored up, the better chance of expelling some

> stones.

>

> The purpose of the malic acid is to soften the stones. As an

> alternative to the malic acid, www.sensiblehealth.com offers some

> supplements that is suppose to soften the stones as well.

>

>

>

>

>> The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the stones

>>

> so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you still

> have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal problem.

> If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food store

> and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to buy

> them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

>

>> Amber

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

>> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have

>>

> skin

>

>> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

>> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to dislove

>>

> them

>

>> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

>>

>> .

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dave, I am not clear on how lecithin helps. In one of your previous

posts, you had mentioned that certain foods/supplements can be

catagorized into cleansers, regenerators, or protectors of the liver.

Where does lecithin fall into these categories? Thanks.

> >

> > The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the

stones

> so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you

still

> have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal

problem.

> If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food

store

> and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to

buy

> them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> > several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I

have

> skin

> > problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> > I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

dislove

> them

> > so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is suppose to be reliable, but I would back it up with one of the

questionaires that you can find on the web. Google it. The

questionaires will give you a score of mild, moderate, severe, etc.

based on your responses.

> >

> >> I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> >> several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I have

skin

> >> problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> >> I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

dislove them

> >> so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Lecithin is a major component of bile (not to mention your brain, myelin sheath,

etc.). Because it has both a lipolyphic and hydrolyphic end it can bond to both

water and oil which normally do not mix. Egg yolks are high in lecithin and

that is why when you make mayonnaise (or Caesar salad dressing) it turns into a

homogenous whole. This is it's purpose in bile; without the lecithin the

aqueous portions and the fat (cholesterol) portions will not mix and the

cholesterol can coagulate into stones. Critical part of the bile makeup. Your

brain is 80% fat (by dry weight) most of which is lecithin by the way. Cheap,

great stuff. Mustard seed is also high in lecithin so when you add it to salad

dressing it helps to keep the oil and vinegar from settling out. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

Dave, I am not clear on how lecithin helps. In one of your previous

posts, you had mentioned that certain foods/supplements can be

catagorized into cleansers, regenerators, or protectors of the liver.

Where does lecithin fall into these categories? Thanks.

> >

> > The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the

stones

> so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you

still

> have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal

problem.

> If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food

store

> and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to

buy

> them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> > several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I

have

> skin

> > problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> > I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

dislove

> them

> > so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For me, 3/4 inch.

Amber

Subject: Re: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

What is the largest stone anyone has ever expelled?

Sponge

.

[Guest guest]

There's also the spit in a glass method. Set out a glass of water before you go

to bed. The next morning, first thing, spit in the glass. Don't pick the glass

up to do it. Let is sit for awhile, 15 min. or so, and look at the glass. If

you saliva is still floating on top of the water, you do not have a yeast

problem. If it has settled to the bottom, or if it's streaming down, then you

do.

Amber

> Is the saliva test a good method for determining if one has a

candida

> problem?

>

> Sponge

.

[Guest guest]

By the way, there are 2 components of lecithin that can be purchased

supplementaly if one has problems breaking it down both of which are very good

for liver/gallbladder (as well as brain/nerve). Phosphatidyl choline (cheap)

and phosphatidyl serine (expensive). The breakdown from lecithin into these

components is dependent on guess what? Yep, you guessed it... bile! So some

need to take them in these more expensive forms in order to make them available

properly (but only until the digestive issue is taken care of). -D

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

Lecithin is a major component of bile (not to mention your brain, myelin

sheath, etc.). Because it has both a lipolyphic and hydrolyphic end it can bond

to both water and oil which normally do not mix. Egg yolks are high in lecithin

and that is why when you make mayonnaise (or Caesar salad dressing) it turns

into a homogenous whole. This is it's purpose in bile; without the lecithin the

aqueous portions and the fat (cholesterol) portions will not mix and the

cholesterol can coagulate into stones. Critical part of the bile makeup. Your

brain is 80% fat (by dry weight) most of which is lecithin by the way. Cheap,

great stuff. Mustard seed is also high in lecithin so when you add it to salad

dressing it helps to keep the oil and vinegar from settling out. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From:

fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...\

m>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\

<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

Dave, I am not clear on how lecithin helps. In one of your previous

posts, you had mentioned that certain foods/supplements can be

catagorized into cleansers, regenerators, or protectors of the liver.

Where does lecithin fall into these categories? Thanks.

> >

> > The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the

stones

> so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you

still

> have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal

problem.

> If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food

store

> and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where to

buy

> them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

> >

> > Amber

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes produced

> > several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I

have

> skin

> > problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> > I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

dislove

> them

> > so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> >

> > .

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think that is what Sponge was talking about.

>

> There's also the spit in a glass method. Set out a glass of water

before you go to bed. The next morning, first thing, spit in the

glass. Don't pick the glass up to do it. Let is sit for awhile, 15

min. or so, and look at the glass. If you saliva is still floating

on top of the water, you do not have a yeast problem. If it has

settled to the bottom, or if it's streaming down, then you do.

>

> Amber

>

>

>

>

> > Is the saliva test a good method for determining if one has a

> candida

> > problem?

> >

> > Sponge

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How would a person know if the cheaper form would suffice or not?

> > >

> > > The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the

> stones

> > so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you

> still

> > have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal

> problem.

> > If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food

> store

> > and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where

to

> buy

> > them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

> > >

> > > Amber

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes

produced

> > > several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I

> have

> > skin

> > > problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> > > I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

> dislove

> > them

> > > so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh sorry. For some reason, I got to thinking about the pH saliva strips. Oh,

well, perhaps someone doesn't know about the spit test and it might help them.

Amber

I think that is what Sponge was talking about.

.

[Guest guest]

I got a huge email from my nutritionist today answering just this question about

brand names vs. store brands, synthetics vs. natural. If anyone wants to read

it, write me privately and I'll forward it.

Amber

How would a person know if the cheaper form would suffice or not?

.

[Guest guest]

anytime there is a digestive issue especially dealing with liver/gallbladder

proper breakdown of lipids is in question. If there are neurological or nerve

issues as well double that. Lecithin cannot cross the blood brain barrier, it

must be broken into it's individual components first and then is recombined on

the other side. Of course a good digestive enzyme containing lipases and

possibly a supplemental source of bile may help. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:46 PM

Subject: Re: new here and few questions about big gallstones

How would a person know if the cheaper form would suffice or not?

> > >

> > > The purpose of the olive oil in the flushes is to soften the

> stones

> > so that they can pass. Have you had a sonogram to see if you

> still

> > have stones? Your other problems could be due to a fungal

> problem.

> > If your doctor won't prescribe Nystatin, go to a health food

> store

> > and buy some natural antifungals. If you want a list of where

to

> buy

> > them cheaper on-line, write to me privately.

> > >

> > > Amber

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have done few gallbladder flushes. the first flushes

produced

> > > several small stones but lately I dont get any stone out. I

> have

> > skin

> > > problems, eczema, adult acne and psoriasis and tiredness.

> > > I guess the stones are big and stuck. Is there any way to

> dislove

> > them

> > > so that they finally move out in the next cleanse?

> > >

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >