Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Beth, My son 5 is on enzymes and GF/CF, ect. He has made huge leaps w/ interactions w/ others, since the beginning of enzymes. Start them and see what happens. I give the enzymes w/ everything he eats, just in case. Also check out website. good luck, nne > > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Beth Kennedy > Subject: enzymes > > > I am ready to begin enzymes. My son is gfcf. A couple of questions: > > -If we have no infractions, do we still need the enzymes? Are they " just in case? " > > -I remember a lot of recent chatter about competition in this field. I am confused. Could someone recommend the best one? > > My son is almost 3. > > Beth > > > > we use houston's enzymes.... i was told that they were formulated just for our kids in mind and are much stronger than others....i believe that kirkman's states it is for infractions only... but its been a while since i 've been there... we were gfcf for mo before starting them and once we started them were gfcf for over 5 mo afterwards we had a few infractions... towards the 5th mo we were having soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many infractions that we decided to drop the diet and see what would happen.... that was over 3 mo ago and we have had no regression or ill effects. some kids cannot drop the diet with houston's but then again many can.... we use all 3 enzymes....pep, zyme and no fenol (didn't realize that there was a phenol issue until we tried it for a mo... there is a link to a message board here on on www.houstonni.com the board is called . you can also search for it on the groups home page. i great place to pose the questrions that you have...files are fab...lots of info and there are people that use all kinds of enzymes.... i would have to say that houston's enzymes are our preferred ones as they have given us a quality of life we have never known.... neva > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 --- In @y..., Beth Kennedy <merrybethkennedy@y...> wrote: > > I am ready to begin enzymes. My son is gfcf. A couple of questions: > > -If we have no infractions, do we still need the enzymes? Are they " just in case? " My kids tolerate exactly four foods without enzymes. So everything they eat is an infraction. So I give HNI enzymes with all foods. > > -I remember a lot of recent chatter about competition in this field. I am confused. Could someone recommend the best one? I use HNI http://www.houstonni.com/ You can also buy enzymes from Kirkman http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ If you want to consider leaving gfcf, then consider HNI. Kirkman indicates its enzymes are for infractions only. If you will remain gfcf, then it will be a matter of which enzyme your child does better using. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Hi The rash could be from some yeast die-off with the No-Fenol. Some parents report having to go really slow with the No-Fenol. You could also be seing some of the opiod withdrawal effect from the Peptizyde which should get better after another week. My son had a slight rash on his cheeks only when he first started enzymes. Adding vitamin B with enzymes gave my son a rash and made him hyper. Is your child taking anything with vitamin B? I wouldn't start the Pep, ZP and No-Fenol at the same time. I would try to work out the dose on one before starting the other. Since you are seeing some good results along with the problems, you may try reducing one or even all of enzymes even more rather than dropping them. If that doesn't help, I would drop one of the enzymes for several days and maybe drop two of them, then build back up slowly. You should see some improvements after three weeks, but some need longer to adjust and get the dose worked out. I would not add back any foods yet, get through the adjustment period before you consider any other changes. > Hi, > My son is 6 yrs old, has autism and on the gfcg for the last 3 yrs. We are Irish and I really just heard about Devin's enzymes from a friend in the UK, I had previously tried enzymaid and it was difficult. I have just started using the enzymes and am noticing changes. In the last week since he started P ZP and NoF he has skin reactions is showing an increase in hyperactivity, and behaviours are regressing a bit, i.e. showing anxiety and slightly more aggressive. I reduced the dosage and we are still experiencing some problems. > At the same time he is showing better joint attention, more verbal, stringing words and showing more awareness of temperature, sound, tactile, etc. > Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > Should I expect the symptoms to last for a few weeks? Should I try this for 3 wks and then decide what to do? I was worried when I saw the skin rash on his cheeks and an increase in the behaviours/anxiety. The rash also had the appearance of little heads. > I haven't seen this since he was an infant on a normal diet. > I would appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 What you are observing is not uncommon with effective enzymes, some kids will go through the opioid withdrawal for a longer period of time than others. The skin rash is usually non-itchy and may be toxins resulting from the enzymes " cleansing " or removing debris from the GI tract. These toxins are often eliminated through the skin, and the rash usually disappears in a week or so. As he becomes more aware of his environment, he may be agitated in trying to cope with the increased sensory input; which may explain the combination of " good " and " not so good " observations. I would stay the course, and see if the negatives diminish within the next 2 weeks or so. Devin > Hi, > My son is 6 yrs old, has autism and on the gfcg for the last 3 yrs. We are Irish and I really just heard about Devin's enzymes from a friend in the UK, I had previously tried enzymaid and it was difficult. I have just started using the enzymes and am noticing changes. In the last week since he started P ZP and NoF he has skin reactions is showing an increase in hyperactivity, and behaviours are regressing a bit, i.e. showing anxiety and slightly more aggressive. I reduced the dosage and we are still experiencing some problems. > At the same time he is showing better joint attention, more verbal, stringing words and showing more awareness of temperature, sound, tactile, etc. > Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > Should I expect the symptoms to last for a few weeks? Should I try this for 3 wks and then decide what to do? I was worried when I saw the skin rash on his cheeks and an increase in the behaviours/anxiety. The rash also had the appearance of little heads. > I haven't seen this since he was an infant on a normal diet. > I would appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 It is usually a good sign to see positive improvements along with the negative things. This tends to indicate re-adjustment effects and the negatives resolved themselves in a bit. And you listed quite a few improvements there. Great. Starting all three at once may be producing some of the more dramatic results. I would suggest keeping the Zyme Prime and Peptizyde and reducing the No-Fenol by half at least to reduce the impact. You may want to discontinue it for a few weeks completely too. Then increase again slower after about a week or so. >>> Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him some normal (harry Potter ) cake. Certain enzymes like Peptizyde can be used instead of a GFCF diet regularly for many people that want to. You certainly don't have to leave any type of restrictive diet. So it is up to you and if your child is responding well. You can do an assortment of combinations of food eliminations/enzymes too. That is the nice thing about having options. If you are planning to re-introduce a food, you may want to do a test run before the party in case he doesn't tolerate it...wouldn't want to spoil his party that day. If you saw the rash before when he was on a normal diet, this could be indicative of him trying to 'detox' something then too. Keep posting over the next few days. The first three weeks are the trickiest while trying to determine if this will be effective, dosing, with what foods, etc. Adjustment effects are very common with any enzymes for any typical person as well. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Hi I'm not Devin, but thought I'd throw in my 5 eggs worth LOL > Thanks Devin, > > Is the opoid withdrawal based on the fact that the enzymes may be pulling > peptides from elsewhere, e.g. the yeast in the bowel? ******Enzymes are more effective than diet with the Peptides - check out s comments in the Files section. I found that the Pep helped with my sons yeast so you could be seeing some effect from that. His diet is quite restrictive. How do you feel about epsom salt baths during this > period? > ******I think this is god idea if you tried them before and he's OK with it. Helps to detox which would be good if the enzymes are helping to destroy the yeast (yeast has protien overcoat and Pep helps pop it, toxins released, can cause behaviours and or hyper and or some rash) A doctor in Norway recommended papain and enzymes for my son three years ago, > when I had the urine peptide testing done so I'm really hoping that this > works for him. > ******I hope so too, my son is doing VERY well onthe HNI enzymes My son has the leaky infalmed bowel. Would he have any extra discomfort when > taking the enzymes? > I will try to stay the course by reducing or even staggering introduction of enzymes. > ******This is good plan, many of our kids have leaky gut which is why they > have problems. I am sure that using the HNI has helped heal my sons gut. We > have been using them for nearly 18 months (off diet too) > He is on GSE so maybe that is also having toxic release. His bm's are fine > now they have improved in the week just not happening as often as they used > to. > ******GSE is very effective and its likely that yeast has been hit and toxins released. My son can only cope with 2 days GSE one or two drops per day, hes 5 and 50 pounds. Best to pulse dose the GSE or may distort the bowel flora the opposite way (been there done that LOL). Good probiotics too. Note: No Fenol reduces the amount of stool by digesting fibres and stuff better, also leaves less to feed the yeast and bugs in the bowel. Sam has much less poop now with the No Fenol One final question. He's about to have blood testing done for analysis. Should he > take enzymes on the day? > *******Not sure, I'm not stopping them for Sams blood tests though > > Good luck Miriam, keep asking questions if you need too! Mandi in UK > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Thanks , Which enzyme would you recommend I try first? My son had recently been on an anti-yeast protocol and I introduced GSE shortly before the enzymes. Maybe too much together. If I drop one should I maintain the NoF as it might help the yeast problem even in small doses? Actually he's not taking any vit B at the moment as he had a reaction to Supernuthera and I felt I shouldn't over suplement while he was having testing urine, stool, hair etc. done. Is there any B vit you have found success with? Miriam > > Hi, > > My son is 6 yrs old, has autism and on the gfcg for the last 3 > yrs. We are Irish and I really just heard about Devin's enzymes from > a friend in the UK, I had previously tried enzymaid and it was > difficult. I have just started using the enzymes and am noticing > changes. In the last week since he started P ZP and NoF he has skin > reactions is showing an increase in hyperactivity, and behaviours are > regressing a bit, i.e. showing anxiety and slightly more aggressive. > I reduced the dosage and we are still experiencing some problems. > > At the same time he is showing better joint attention, more verbal, > stringing words and showing more awareness of temperature, sound, > tactile, etc. > > Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday > party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him > some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > > Should I expect the symptoms to last for a few weeks? Should I try > this for 3 wks and then decide what to do? I was worried when I saw > the skin rash on his cheeks and an increase in the > behaviours/anxiety. The rash also had the appearance of little heads. > > I haven't seen this since he was an infant on a normal diet. > > I would appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Thanks Devin, Is the opoid withdrawal based on the fact that the enzymes may be pulling peptides from elsewhere, e.g. the yeast in the bowel? His diet is quite restrictive. How do you feel about epsom salt baths during this period? A doctor in Norway recommended papain and enzymes for my son three years ago, when I had the urine peptide testing done so I'm really hoping that this works for him. My son has the leaky infalmed bowel. Would he have any extra discomfort when taking the enzymes? I will try to stay the course by reducing or even staggering introduction of enzymes. He is on GSE so maybe that is also having toxic release. His bm's are fine now they have improved in the week just not happening as often as they used to. One final question. He's about to have blood testing done for analysis. Should he take enzymes on the day? Miriam. > > Hi, > > My son is 6 yrs old, has autism and on the gfcg for the last 3 > yrs. We are Irish and I really just heard about Devin's enzymes from > a friend in the UK, I had previously tried enzymaid and it was > difficult. I have just started using the enzymes and am noticing > changes. In the last week since he started P ZP and NoF he has skin > reactions is showing an increase in hyperactivity, and behaviours are > regressing a bit, i.e. showing anxiety and slightly more aggressive. > I reduced the dosage and we are still experiencing some problems. > > At the same time he is showing better joint attention, more verbal, > stringing words and showing more awareness of temperature, sound, > tactile, etc. > > Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday > party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him > some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > > Should I expect the symptoms to last for a few weeks? Should I try > this for 3 wks and then decide what to do? I was worried when I saw > the skin rash on his cheeks and an increase in the > behaviours/anxiety. The rash also had the appearance of little heads. > > I haven't seen this since he was an infant on a normal diet. > > I would appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Thanks I'm new to enzymes and new to messaging! I appreciate the help. I feel that the impact of all together was too much. I'll try it a bit more slowly. He was taking GSE already so maybe it was too much 1/2 cap. of NoF as well as ZP and Pep at differnet meals. I think that he may be detoxing anyway and I'm probably seeing the results of that. I would love to be able to work towards having options. it would be so nice just to eventually have the non GFCF on occasion. For the moment I'm not eager to take him off his diet. Do you think that the GSE and NoF together are too much for now? For the moment I am noticing sensory changes in that his tactile sense seems to be heightened and when he came out of the bath last night he started to shiver. This is new!! I will post again, it is so good to get help. Thanks Miriam > It is usually a good sign to see positive improvements along with > the negative things. This tends to indicate re-adjustment effects > and the negatives resolved themselves in a bit. And you listed quite > a few improvements there. Great. Starting all three at once may be > producing some of the more dramatic results. I would suggest keeping > the Zyme Prime and Peptizyde and reducing the No-Fenol by half at > least to reduce the impact. You may want to discontinue it for a few > weeks completely too. Then increase again slower after about a week > or so. > > >>> Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a > birthday party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to > give him some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > > Certain enzymes like Peptizyde can be used instead of a GFCF diet > regularly for many people that want to. You certainly don't have to > leave any type of restrictive diet. So it is up to you and if your > child is responding well. You can do an assortment of combinations > of food eliminations/enzymes too. That is the nice thing about > having options. If you are planning to re-introduce a food, you may > want to do a test run before the party in case he doesn't tolerate > it...wouldn't want to spoil his party that day. > > If you saw the rash before when he was on a normal diet, this could > be indicative of him trying to 'detox' something then too. Keep > posting over the next few days. The first three weeks are the > trickiest while trying to determine if this will be effective, > dosing, with what foods, etc. Adjustment effects are very common > with any enzymes for any typical person as well. > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Miriam, Ooooo-shivering is good!!! My daughter also showed alot of new sensations when she started enzymes...one in particular I remember is she loves her Dad to swing her around at the park, but we used to comment on how she never seemed to get dizzy-then shortly after enzymes when he did it she would fall over!! Many new sensations like this make it a tough time for our kids though-this is what everyone refers to as good and bad reactions. You mentioned the bowel thing in another post-is he actually celiac? If so then you wouldn't want to reintroduce gluten at all. As far as the No Fenol- it is very strong stuff and if you are already using GSE for yeast I would definitely recommend backing off. I gave my daughter a very tiny amount-maybe 1/8 capsul at her meals for months before upping the amount. It is wonderful stuff though and has done great things for her. I believe it has been key in helping her. I can now give 1/2 No Fenol cap with everything and a whole cap with highly phenolic meals/snacks. I believe it works well with her MSM as well. You mentioned epsom salt baths and I think those are a good idea. My daughter asks for them when she is feeling edgy so I know they help her to feel better. We stoped using SNT when she started enzymes as well-too much vit B and she developed a rash/hyperness. I have ordered Brainchild after speaking at length with on the phone- he assured me it has only a tiny amount of vit B and should work perfectly with enzymes. He is way behind on orders though so we still haven't had the chance to try it-therefore I can't actually recommend it. He also told me that he has a good multi coming out with no vit B if you might be interested in looking into that. My daughter is back on TMG now which has some vit B in it-I have only reintroduced it at a very low dosage, but no negatives so far. With the peptides Devin mentioned, your son's body could be " using " foods you don't even suspect. Once you eliminate certain foods (like gluten and casein) there are others the body will find ways to misuse. My daughter had been gfcf for many months prior to using enzymes-and I was strict with the diet-and she still had severe withdrawl. I know soy was a culprit for one, but I'm sure there was more. We are completely off the diet for months now and my daughter is doing very well. I hope the enzymes work great for your son!! Good luck! --- In @y..., " mirt1999 " <miriam@h...> wrote: > Thanks > I'm new to enzymes and new to messaging! > I appreciate the help. I feel that the impact of all together was too much. > I'll try it a bit more slowly. He was taking GSE already so maybe it was too much 1/2 cap. of NoF as well as ZP and Pep at differnet meals. I think that he may be detoxing anyway and I'm probably seeing the results of that. > I would love to be able to work towards having options. it would be so nice just to eventually have the non GFCF on occasion. For the moment I'm not eager to take him off his diet. > Do you think that the GSE and NoF together are too much for now? > > For the moment I am noticing sensory changes in that his tactile sense seems to be heightened and when he came out of the bath last night he started to shiver. This is new!! > I will post again, it is so good to get help. > > Thanks > Miriam > > > It is usually a good sign to see positive improvements along with > > the negative things. This tends to indicate re-adjustment effects > > and the negatives resolved themselves in a bit. And you listed quite > > a few improvements there. Great. Starting all three at once may be > > producing some of the more dramatic results. I would suggest keeping > > the Zyme Prime and Peptizyde and reducing the No-Fenol by half at > > least to reduce the impact. You may want to discontinue it for a few > > weeks completely too. Then increase again slower after about a week > > or so. > > > > >>> Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a > > birthday party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to > > give him some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > > > > Certain enzymes like Peptizyde can be used instead of a GFCF diet > > regularly for many people that want to. You certainly don't have to > > leave any type of restrictive diet. So it is up to you and if your > > child is responding well. You can do an assortment of combinations > > of food eliminations/enzymes too. That is the nice thing about > > having options. If you are planning to re-introduce a food, you may > > want to do a test run before the party in case he doesn't tolerate > > it...wouldn't want to spoil his party that day. > > > > If you saw the rash before when he was on a normal diet, this could > > be indicative of him trying to 'detox' something then too. Keep > > posting over the next few days. The first three weeks are the > > trickiest while trying to determine if this will be effective, > > dosing, with what foods, etc. Adjustment effects are very common > > with any enzymes for any typical person as well. > > > > . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 Hi Mandi, I'm trying just the ZP so far today and didn't five the NoFenol yet. He had the GSE this morning and so far so good! He's still a little jittery and the rash on his face appears to be a milder form so I'm hoping. We are having a better day, he's happy. He asked 'what' when we were discussing something over lunch. It was as if he really wanted to join in. I'm going to reduce the no Fenol to just one eigth and see how that goes. You mentioned pulse dosing with GSE. When should you re start after stopping. Have you used nystatin with the GSE? what can go wrong if you keep up the right dosage. How can you reverse the flora? You mentioned that the Pep pops the protien coating around the yeast. Does ZP do this also? How can I determine if the yeast is going will I need to test again? Thanks, Miriam > Hi > I'm not Devin, but thought I'd throw in my 5 eggs worth LOL > > > > Thanks Devin, > > > > Is the opoid withdrawal based on the fact that the enzymes may be pulling > > peptides from elsewhere, e.g. the yeast in the bowel? > ******Enzymes are more effective than diet with the Peptides - check out > s comments in the Files section. I found that the Pep helped with my > sons yeast so you could be seeing some effect from that. > > His diet is quite restrictive. How do you feel about epsom salt baths during > this > > period? > > ******I think this is god idea if you tried them before and he's OK with > it. Helps to detox which would be good if the enzymes are helping to destroy > the yeast (yeast has protien overcoat and Pep helps pop it, toxins released, > can cause behaviours and or hyper and or some rash) > > A doctor in Norway recommended papain and enzymes for my son three years ago, > > > when I had the urine peptide testing done so I'm really hoping that this > > works for him. > > ******I hope so too, my son is doing VERY well onthe HNI enzymes > > My son has the leaky infalmed bowel. Would he have any extra discomfort when > > > taking the enzymes? > > I will try to stay the course by reducing or even staggering introduction > of enzymes. > > ******This is good plan, many of our kids have leaky gut which is why they > > have problems. I am sure that using the HNI has helped heal my sons gut. We > > have been using them for nearly 18 months (off diet too) > > > He is on GSE so maybe that is also having toxic release. His bm's are fine > > now they have improved in the week just not happening as often as they used > > to. > > ******GSE is very effective and its likely that yeast has been hit and > toxins released. My son can only cope with 2 days GSE one or two drops per > day, hes 5 and 50 pounds. Best to pulse dose the GSE or may distort the bowel > flora the opposite way (been there done that LOL). Good probiotics too. > Note: No Fenol reduces the amount of stool by digesting fibres and stuff > better, also leaves less to feed the yeast and bugs in the bowel. Sam has > much less poop now with the No Fenol > > One final question. He's about to have blood testing done for analysis. > Should he > > take enzymes on the day? > > *******Not sure, I'm not stopping them for Sams blood tests though > > > > Good luck Miriam, keep asking questions if you need too! > > Mandi in UK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Hi Devin, My son started breaken out of rash after 1 week of AFP (started w/ 1 capsule/meal and up to 2 capsules/meal). The rash starting from his face and spreading out to other body parts. It was 2 1/2 weeks and the rash still going strong. I got scare and stopped the AFP. I like to understand if this is a " common " reaction? If so, how long the rash will stay? When should I start getting concern? By the way, he's almost 5 and is been in GFCF for 2 1/2 years. Now he's also in soy free diet as well. Thanks, > > Hi, > > My son is 6 yrs old, has autism and on the gfcg for the last 3 > yrs. We are Irish and I really just heard about Devin's enzymes from > a friend in the UK, I had previously tried enzymaid and it was > difficult. I have just started using the enzymes and am noticing > changes. In the last week since he started P ZP and NoF he has skin > reactions is showing an increase in hyperactivity, and behaviours are > regressing a bit, i.e. showing anxiety and slightly more aggressive. > I reduced the dosage and we are still experiencing some problems. > > At the same time he is showing better joint attention, more verbal, > stringing words and showing more awareness of temperature, sound, > tactile, etc. > > Are the enzymes only for use with infractions? we have a birthday > party coming up in a few weeks and I would dearly love to give him > some normal (harry Potter ) cake. > > Should I expect the symptoms to last for a few weeks? Should I try > this for 3 wks and then decide what to do? I was worried when I saw > the skin rash on his cheeks and an increase in the > behaviours/anxiety. The rash also had the appearance of little heads. > > I haven't seen this since he was an infant on a normal diet. > > I would appreciate any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 In a message dated 1/25/2003 7:26:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, barbfritz@... writes: > why is it that as soon as your kids miss > a dose of enzymes that they regress? In my experience, after having been on enzymes for several months, if we miss a dose of the PEP, no ill effects, and we have cut dosage back drastically, and the boys are still hanging in there. But we still seem to need the NF for pigment infractions. I think the child's gut needs time to heal....its just like an infraction if you are GF/CF.....the opiates start getting back in. Just my theory. I'm sure you'll hear a lot more LOL! And I'm starting to think that sensitivities to pigments never go away, even with enzymes. Anyone else care to chime in on that? Liane Liane Gentry Skye author <A HREF= " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books & field-auth\ or=Skye%2C%20Liane%20Gentry/103-0462897-9459854 " >Turn Around, Bright Eyes - Snapshots from a Voyage Out of Autism's Silence</A> <A HREF= " http://talkingwithpictures.com/ " >Talking With Pictures</A> " nonverbal " does not have to mean " unable to communicate " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 Barbara, its because of their leaky guts. The enzymes digest the food before it has a chance to leak out into the bloodstream. When food leaks through undigested that is the problem. The enzymes stop the peptide problem(from gluten/casein) most ASD kids have. Although enzymes have a lasting benefit in that they help to heal the gut, etc they do not last and must be readministered with more food. Therefore, if a child eats food without enzymes the food will again leak through and affect the body/mind in problematic ways. Many children seem to show signs of gut healing over time in that if they have a food infraction (problematic food) without enzymes the reaction is greatly diminished than pre enzymes. Some kids can eat foods at least ocassionally without enzymes after a period of time (this is true of 's kids.) Kids who are chelating seem to need less and less enzymes and tolerate more foods overall (especially true for Dana's kids.) I hope this answered your question-that I understood it correctly. --- In , " logansmom1000 <barbfritz@a...> " <barbfritz@a...> wrote: > So I have a question. I have been reading a lot of what everyone has > to say in their postings and why is it that as soon as your kids miss > a dose of enzymes that they regress? Are enzymes naturally found in > the body and our kids just can't produce these as much as other > kids? > > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2003 Report Share Posted January 26, 2003 >> And I'm starting > to think that sensitivities to pigments never go away, even with enzymes. > Anyone else care to chime in on that? I had to remove corn, oranges, peas, strawberries, basically the things restricted on lutein-free diet. Even with enzymes, these things caused hyper and some stimming for my son. But now many rounds of ALA chelation later, I have given my son 1/2 orange, small amounts of corn, and peas [no strawberries yet], and he has tolerated them just fine, no negative effects. So for my son anyway, he is losing his sensitivity to these things. Still has problems with artificials tho, so no colors, flavors, or nitrates. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 >> And I'm starting to think that sensitivities to pigments never go away, even with enzymes. Anyone else care to chime in on that? Bingggg, bongggg. LOL. I think the No-Fenol can help process pigments but that may be a issue of something besides leaky gut, insufficient digestion, not enough enzymes, damaged gut lining, etc. It seems to be more related to some detoxification methods. Enzymes can assist with detoxification a little bit and of certain types. Some of the people doing well with Feingold find No-Fenol is great for going from Stage 1 to Stage 2 and putting more actual food in the diet. But it is not as helpful in adding in artificial stuff and chemicals such as nitrates, sulfites, etc. This aspect really needs some more work. Removing toxins would decrease the total toxin load and so I can easily see how this would help with adding pigments back it the diet. Perhaps some mechanism will yet be discovered. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 HI Kathie - you make me smile We mostly talking about digestive enzymes here, I think they are GREAT! www.houstonni.com is the brand I use / Great files section and resouceful group http://www.thundersnow.com/enzymebook.htm Great easy to read and well referenced book thats explains all about it Enjoy! Mandi in Uk > Several of you have mentioned enzymes. Are they good or bad? > If they are good, where can a person get them? If they are bad, how can a > person get rid of them? > Kathie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Hi We use HNI with great results www.houstonni.com Good luck Mandi in UK > I would to ask the list, which digestive enzymes do you feel is good. We > were using serinaid. But I ran out. > angela > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 My only experience is with HNI enzymes and I would recommend them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 > I would to ask the list, which digestive enzymes do you feel is good. We > were using serinaid. But I ran out. I use HNI and they work very well for my family http://www.houstonni.com/ Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2003 Report Share Posted February 3, 2003 In a message dated 2/3/03 8:03:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, danaatty@... writes: << I use HNI and they work very well for my family >> thanks, can you tell me more about them, and where I can purchase it? ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 , Wouldn't the Houston No-Fenol help loads with the lutein problem? All I know is that with No-Fenol I can give my girl brightly colored veggies and fruits, and was not able to before (she'd get hyper, oppositional, etc.). Am I the only one who can use No-Fenol but not other Houston enzymes? Kirkman's work well for us, but not Houston's other enzymes (yet?). K. (who has found 's help far more valuable than...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 >>>> Wouldn't the Houston No-Fenol help loads with the lutein problem? All I know is that with No-Fenol I can give my girl brightly colored veggies and fruits, and was not able to before (she'd get hyper, oppositional, etc.). This is along the same line. The lutein/phenol/antioxidant/detox thing is all related. And No-Fenol seems to help with this for many people although the exact mechanism may not be know. There are some ideas though (such as removing a carboxyl group, breaking down the fibrous bonds, etc.) >>> Am I the only one who can use No-Fenol but not other Houston enzymes? Kirkman's work well for us, but not Houston's other enzymes (yet?). That does sound unusual especially because Zyme Prime is a typical broad-spectrum product, but if that is what works...GREAT! Fortunately you can mix and match enzymes a bit for more alternatives. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Jen- >What's the difference between supplementing with enzymes that are " plant " >derived ... and enzymes that are " animal " derived? >Which is best? >What kinds of enzymes are people in this group supplementing with? Animal-derived enzymes (pancreatin, mainly, which is a complex of digestive enzymes from the pancreas which will digest protein, fat and carbs) are like your own digestive enzymes -- they'll help you digest everything. Plant-derived enzymes are more like special-purpose tools which will help with specific, narrow digestive issues. Personally, I derive enormous benefits from a pancreatin supplement and didn't notice any benefit at all from any of the plant-derived supplements I've tried, but your mileage may vary. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Wouldn't animal enzymes require alkaline environment before they could work? hmmm... I'm thinking this would make predigestion hard given the acidic nature of the stomach correct me if I'm wrong jen ----- Original Message ----- From: " Idol " <Idol@...> < > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: Re: ENZYMES > Jen- > > >What's the difference between supplementing with enzymes that are " plant " > >derived ... and enzymes that are " animal " derived? > >Which is best? > >What kinds of enzymes are people in this group supplementing with? > > Animal-derived enzymes (pancreatin, mainly, which is a complex of digestive > enzymes from the pancreas which will digest protein, fat and carbs) are > like your own digestive enzymes -- they'll help you digest > everything. Plant-derived enzymes are more like special-purpose tools > which will help with specific, narrow digestive issues. > > Personally, I derive enormous benefits from a pancreatin supplement and > didn't notice any benefit at all from any of the plant-derived supplements > I've tried, but your mileage may vary. > > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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