Re: How often can I do a liver flush?

[Guest guest]

My nutritionist had me wait some time between my 3 flushes. Then she told me to

stop and " let your body rest. "

Amber

I've read that you should wait two weeks between flushes. Why is this

the case? If I have the stones in me, I want to get them out.

Thanks,

Sponge

.

[Guest guest]

Did you happen to do these liver flushes to get rid of skin conditions

like eczema? That's what I'm battling with.

Thanks,

Sponge

On Apr 12, 2008, at 6:22 PM, G Murray wrote:

Hi Sponge,

It really depends on ones body. I do not have any detox symptoms from

liver flushing but if I am fasting I usually have some detox symptoms

for the first 5 days of so. If I do a liver cleanse as a start to fast,

I usually don't have any at all. Since cleaning out the liver usually

helps the liver process the toxins and avoiding the detox symptoms. I

really think it has to do with the state each body is in at the time of

the flush.

Again depending on the state ones body is in, if done too often and not

letting the body heal may be to much stress. You just have to go and

pace yourself and see what your body is saying. I personally have done

them 8-10 days apart for over 2.5-3 months and only had improving

results. Then backed off to where they were done every 6 months.

Listen to your body.

G Murray

Sponge wrote:

>

> Does anyone have a good reason why? I experience no fatigue or detox

> symptoms when I did my two liver flushes. Rest? Rest from what?

>

> Sponge

>

> Amber wrote:

>> My nutritionist had me wait some time between my 3 flushes. Then she

> told me to stop and " let your body rest. "

>>

>> Amber

>>

>>

>>

>> I've read that you should wait two weeks between flushes. Why is this

>> the case? If I have the stones in me, I want to get them out.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Sponge

>

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Have you tried or even considered taking antifungals?

Amber

> Did you happen to do these liver flushes to get rid of skin conditions

> like eczema? That's what I'm battling with.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sponge

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I am 47 years old and have had EXTREMELY dry skin most of my life. I

don't think that I have had any eczema to speak of. However, my skin

is better now than I ever remember. I attribute it to the flushes

and/or digestive enzymes that I am taking. I am not sure which, but

I am going to continue to do both. The results have been amazing.

With that said, I don't know much about eczema nor how flushes or

enzymes might help you. But this might be some encouragement for you.

>

> Did you happen to do these liver flushes to get rid of skin

conditions

> like eczema? That's what I'm battling with.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sponge

[Guest guest]

>I am 47 years old and have had EXTREMELY dry skin most of my life. I

> don't think that I have had any eczema to speak of.

If your skin is so dry, it sounds like you are not eating enough good fats,

e.g. olive oil, coconut oil, avocadoes, nuts, flax oil, and fish oil

capsules.

Amber

[Guest guest]

It " was " so dry. Not so much anymore. Again, I am not sure whether to

credit it to the flushes or the digestive enzymes. I do now consume

EVOO, coconut oil, avocados, and flax oil now and I didn't before when

my skin was so bad. So I guess that there are actually three possible

things that have contributed to the improvement - flushes, enzymes, and

oils. Not sure which of the three was the real key. That is the

question.

>

>

>

> >I am 47 years old and have had EXTREMELY dry skin most of my life. I

> > don't think that I have had any eczema to speak of.

>

>

> If your skin is so dry, it sounds like you are not eating enough good

fats,

> e.g. olive oil, coconut oil, avocadoes, nuts, flax oil, and fish oil

> capsules.

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

I'll bet it's a combination of taking the oils and the enzymes. The

digestive enzymes probably helped the oils that you're taking work

better. As we get older I think we all could use the digestive

enzymes, and especially if one consumes much animal protein.

I can't see how the flushes wouldn't help the skin problems because

your liver does much cleansing and when it's full of stones it can't do

crap. (Pardon the pun).

herbladie

>

> It " was " so dry. Not so much anymore. Again, I am not sure whether

to

> credit it to the flushes or the digestive enzymes. I do now

>

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All. -D

----- Original Message -----

From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...>

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:48 AM

Subject: Re: How often can I do a liver flush?

It " was " so dry. Not so much anymore. Again, I am not sure whether to

credit it to the flushes or the digestive enzymes. I do now consume

EVOO, coconut oil, avocados, and flax oil now and I didn't before when

my skin was so bad. So I guess that there are actually three possible

things that have contributed to the improvement - flushes, enzymes, and

oils. Not sure which of the three was the real key. That is the

question.

>

>

>

> >I am 47 years old and have had EXTREMELY dry skin most of my life. I

> > don't think that I have had any eczema to speak of.

>

>

> If your skin is so dry, it sounds like you are not eating enough good

fats,

> e.g. olive oil, coconut oil, avocadoes, nuts, flax oil, and fish oil

> capsules.

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

Whatever works, works. Great! Keep up your good work.

Amber

> It " was " so dry. Not so much anymore. Again, I am not sure whether to

> credit it to the flushes or the digestive enzymes. I do now consume

> EVOO, coconut oil, avocados, and flax oil now and I didn't before when

> my skin was so bad. So I guess that there are actually three possible

> things that have contributed to the improvement - flushes, enzymes, and

> oils. Not sure which of the three was the real key. That is the

> question.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not yet, but I'm open. Help me understand how antifungals would be

effective against eczema? I was under the impression that the itchy

eczema was due to a liver not able to filter out all the toxins in the

blood.

Thanks!

Sponge

> On Apr 14, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Amber wrote:

>

> Have you tried or even considered taking antifungals?

>

> Amber

>

>

>> Did you happen to do these liver flushes to get rid of skin conditions

>> like eczema? That's what I'm battling with.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Sponge

>

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> Not yet, but I'm open. Help me understand how antifungals would be

> effective against eczema? I was under the impression that the itchy

> eczema was due to a liver not able to filter out all the toxins in the

> blood.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sponge

Sponge, I've been watching Doug Kaufmann on his " Know the Cause! " TV show

for several years. He has the TV show, on-line news letter, has written

many books, and lectures all over the country. He's been in the alternative

medical field for 37 years. He interviews doctors on his show and quotes

medical reports. He's reporting that most diseases have the root cause of

fungus in the body. Prescription antifungals are Nystatin, Diflucan, etc.

If a doctor won't prescribe them for a person to try (ours did), the buy

natural antifungals at a health food store or on-line. I've found several

on-line places where I buy mine at half the price of the stores. A person

starts with one and then rotates to a different kind monthly. Then goes off

all for awhile. All I'm saying is that is does not hurt to try. As I've

recommended many times, go to www.knowthecause.com and see what you can

learn. Sign up for the free newsletter while you are there.

Amber

[Guest guest]

And then the question is: Why is there fungus in the body? And what makes one

person different than another in terms of propensity?

Life whether evolutionary, divinely created, or divinely created with an

evolutionary process, is not designed towards premature decay. Interesting that

death is designed in and then decay is a very important part of the process.

All organisms have been designed for survival (including yeasts fungus and

bacteria), and we are all exposed to these things everyday (every moment). We

all live in a communal environment whether we like it or not. No escape.

Pardon me, but none wanted from my end and in fact it is deadly to attempt to do

so. We think of ourselves as individuals but this is not so. We are colonies.

First of cells (check out the works of Dr. Bruce Lipton, bless him) and then of

organisms. You cannot live without the flora and fauna of your digestive tract.

We are now finding that antibacterial soaps increase the risk of some

infections! Why? Because just like the balance in your digestive tract there

is a colony of organisms on your skin (the cells of your digestive tract is

essentially skin too) and when you create wholesale genocide (like with

antibiotics or antibacterial soaps) hoodlums can repopulate.

So all of us organisms (organize-colonies) are designed to survive

optimally. We all have " designed " in checks and balances if things go out of

whack. If you cut the bark on a tree, what oozes out? Yep, sap. And what kind

of compounds do you think you would find in that sap? Yep, antifungal, anti

bacterial, anti yeast, etc. We were just discussing resveratrol, an incredible

compound produced by some plants. In terms of grapes where is it found? In the

skin of the fruit, and on the outside (skin) of the seed. Why? Because if you

need to be protected from an invader the troops need to be at the perimeter of

the fort. Protect the fruit from decay and then protect the seed from decay so

new life can go on in the end. So we find that the plants that produce

resveratrol when exposed to attack by yeasts and funguses (bless them too for

without them we could not survive... What would life be without bread, yogurt,

cheese, wine, truffles...? OK I just mentioned a whole lot of supposed

no/nos... OK, how about this: The breakdown of sewage? Compost? soil?...?) a

lot more is produced in response to the invader. So while resveratrol is hailed

for it's cardiovascular support (and rightly so) you might want to consider it

for something like, I don't know, maybe an antifungal? So now back to our tree,

it decays and funguses set in when the checks and balances are not working

properly. By the way these checks and balances that are immunal in nature are

dependent on normal organ function. Whether a trees movement of sap or your

cardiovascular system it is all intertwined and interdependent. Working

properly=healthy tree.

Now back to ourselves. All of us (I am talking about myself now; cells,

mites, organs, bacterias, yeasts etc.) are a colony trying to maintain a happy

(healthy) medium. So for something like eczema, there are a plethora of issues

that may contribute. Sponge, your concerns about liver/gallbladder are well

founded. Remember with liver and gallbladder detox that if the sewer is plugged

between the house and the street, it may not be good to flush the toilet (until

the sewer is clear). There could be an overgrowth of Yeast/fungus/bacteria as

Amber has suggested. There could be an inappropriate immunal reaction. The

cardiovascular system could be compromised. I could go on and on.

Careful about one shot causes/cures. Hulda tells us that all

diseases, let alone all cancers, are a fluke that invades our liver and if we

take a combo of three herbs we will be cured in 6 days. Wallich (remember

" Dead Doctors Don't Lie " ?) tells us that all illnesses are a deficiency of micro

mineral nutrients. Doug Kaufmann says it is funguses. And I could list 10

more... There is a bit of truth to all of these but hinging your bet on any one

of these may fruit disappointment.

So taking things like diflucan and nystatin can have some consequences.

Just like antibiotics (where do a bunch come from? Funguses and molds!

penicillin for example. OK, now that I have mentioned a nasty, one of my

favorite supplements; digestive enzymes. Yep, aspergillus orzea and

aspergillus niger. Guess what kind of lung conditions can be " caused " by

members of the aspergillus family.) They can and will, reek havoc upon the

flora and fauna of your digestive tract at a minimum. If you take them, be

prepared and make the necessary reparative plans.

The thought processes that lead to the declaration of " causes " can be

myopic thinking. Careful.

We are all ONE. Tread lightly upon yourself. Tread lightly upon your neighbor.

Tread lightly upon the earth.

Always, in all ways, -Dave

All

----- Original Message -----

From: Amber <mailto:amber@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: How often can I do a liver flush?

> Not yet, but I'm open. Help me understand how antifungals would be

> effective against eczema? I was under the impression that the itchy

> eczema was due to a liver not able to filter out all the toxins in the

> blood.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sponge

Sponge, I've been watching Doug Kaufmann on his " Know the Cause! " TV show

for several years. He has the TV show, on-line news letter, has written

many books, and lectures all over the country. He's been in the alternative

medical field for 37 years. He interviews doctors on his show and quotes

medical reports. He's reporting that most diseases have the root cause of

fungus in the body. Prescription antifungals are Nystatin, Diflucan, etc.

If a doctor won't prescribe them for a person to try (ours did), the buy

natural antifungals at a health food store or on-line. I've found several

on-line places where I buy mine at half the price of the stores. A person

starts with one and then rotates to a different kind monthly. Then goes off

all for awhile. All I'm saying is that is does not hurt to try. As I've

recommended many times, go to www.knowthecause.com and see what you can

learn. Sign up for the free newsletter while you are there.

Amber

[Guest guest]

> And then the question is: Why is there fungus in the body?>

We breathe it and we eat it. We live in moldy homes and don't even know it.

> All organisms have been designed for survival (including yeasts fungus and

> bacteria), and we are all exposed to these things everyday (every

> moment).>

There you go.

> We are now finding that antibacterial soaps increase the risk of some

> infections!>

Absolutely. I stay away from those.

All I'm suggesting is that people with health issues TRY antifungals. What

do they have to lose? Wouldn't it be wonderful to hear back from some people

who have been suffering from one thing or another and they tried antifungals

and got better?

Amber

[Guest guest]

I take lipase, protease, etc. Is aspergillus is these digestive

enzymes? I have not heard of aspergillus. Thanks.

>

OK, now that I have mentioned a nasty, one of my favorite supplements;

digestive enzymes. Yep, aspergillus orzea and aspergillus niger.

Guess what kind of lung conditions can be " caused " by members of the

aspergillus family.) They can and will, reek havoc upon the flora and

fauna of your digestive tract at a minimum. If you take them, be

prepared and make the necessary reparative plans.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave~As we get older we are supposed to be deficient in these

enzymes, especially if we eat animal protein. How do we get enough of

them? I know that eating lots of raw foods gives you enzymes, but is

it enough for the meat eater? I an vegetarian and have fish a few

times a week, and my diet consists mostly of veggies and fruits and a

few nuts and seeds. So I'm probably okay, but what about the person

who does eat alot of protein. If people really do need help breaking

down their food, what do they do? I think it was Hulda who said

that, too, but that it might be better to take the risk if you need

them. Confusing for sure.

herbladie

OK, now that I have mentioned a nasty, one of my favorite supplements;

digestive enzymes. Yep, aspergillus orzea and aspergillus niger. Guess

what kind of lung conditions can be " caused " by members of the

aspergillus family.) They can and will, reek havoc upon the flora and

fauna of your digestive tract at a minimum. If you take them, be

prepared and make the necessary reparative plans.

[Guest guest]

re waiting a couple of weeks in between flushes: the reason this is good is

because after a flush it takes some time for other stones to move forward from

other parts of the liver so they can be flushed out also.  When the biliary

tubes are full of stones - the flush clears them out, then other stones can move

in line to be flushed out at the next flush - but it takes a couple weeks for

them to get into the main biliary tube from remote locations in the liver.

From: Amber <amber@...>

Subject: Re: How often can I do a liver flush?

gallstones

Date: Friday, April 11, 2008, 3:12 PM

My nutritionist had me wait some time between my 3 flushes. Then she told me to

stop and " let your body rest. "

Amber

I've read that you should wait two weeks between flushes. Why is this

the case? If I have the stones in me, I want to get them out.

Thanks,

Sponge

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