Update

[Guest guest]

> wrote:

>

> Hi Dotsie,

>

> thanks for the info from Jaguar. I tend not to agree with his

> assumption that BE gets rid of the source of the problem. I know it

> helped me though. My present feeling is that oxygen/ozone

> enhancement gets more to the source of the problem, although together

> there is probably a synergistic effect. I intend to keep doing BE

> from time to time and get a feel for whether it's still helpful to

> me. I just have this powerful feeling about oxygen from my limited

> use of it, so I'm persuing that focus right now. Oxygen enhancement

> just seems so natural and gets me high. BE didn't get me high like

> oxygen.

>

> P.

Has anyone tried hyperbaric chamber treatments? How about scuba diving

or even just taking lessons in a pool? MA

[Guest guest]

How much Homozon are you taking? I tried Homozon and could never get past

the taste.

Blood electrification is only the first step and it can sometimes take a

month or two to feel the effects - the immune system is no longer overloaded

and can then do it's job.

Al

[Guest guest]

Hi Dotsie,

thanks for the info from Jaguar. I tend not to agree with his assumption that BE gets rid of the source of the problem. I know it helped me though. My present feeling is that oxygen/ozone enhancement gets more to the source of the problem, although together there is probably a synergistic effect. I intend to keep doing BE from time to time and get a feel for whether it's still helpful to me. I just have this powerful feeling about oxygen from my limited use of it, so I'm persuing that focus right now. Oxygen enhancement just seems so natural and gets me high. BE didn't get me high like oxygen.

P.

update

, From the Jaguar FAQ: DotsieWhat does it mean if someone gets better using these devices but still doesn't feel totally healthy? It means that he/she has gotten rid of the source of the problem but not the results of the problem. The results may be a congested liver, weakened adrenals, mineral imbalances, low thyroid output, lessened acidophilus count in the intestines, weakened cardiovascular system, kidney stones, gallbladder stones, systemic Candida, hard to kill intestinal bacteria and parasites, and countless other nuances. As a person corrects these remaining imbalances with the help of a Naturopath he/she will slowly regain his/her feeling of vitality. Also, even without other problems, sometimes it takes a while to recover as the immune system slowly replaces destroyed immune cells. Is there anyone these devices can't help? Everyone is a carrier of multitudes of bacteria and viruses that these devices are said to help clear out. For instance, a book about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome states that 97% of adults carry the Epstein-Barr Virus. The immune system is constantly expending energy to keep bacteria and viruses from multiplying to harmful levels. If they were all eliminated then the body's energy could be redirected to avenues of healing and building instead of defense. How do you explain why some people can do blood electrification without any good or bad effects? The electrification just keeps newly created viruses from entering other blood cells. That's stage one of the viral removal process. Stage two is if the immune system is working then the deactivated viruses are eaten or chemically dissolved and the person feels a 'cleansing reaction'. If it isn't working (such as in late stage AIDS or CFIDS) then the person is up a creek without a paddle unless they use a herbal product that increases immunity by 3-8 times. It's called MGN-3 and this site sells it: http://flinet.com/~awaves/index.html

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In a message dated 12/29/00 1:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

<< H2O2 is produced when ozone hits water. Drinking it is an important part

of

the program, even for cancer. In too strong a concentration you could get

undesireable effects, but remember that cancer cannot survive in an aerobic

environment >>

Hi Duncan & ,

Now I'm confused. Are you talking about drinking ozonated water or hydrogen

peroxide? The post I sent from the oxylist was referring to ingesting 35%

Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide.

Dotsie

[Guest guest]

Hi all;

<start of .02>

H2O2 is produced when ozone hits water. Drinking it is an important part of

the program, even for cancer. In too strong a concentration you could get

undesireable effects, but remember that cancer cannot survive in an aerobic

environment. I think the key is dietary change coupled with alkalizing and

oxygenating your system. Hyperthermia/ozone steam baths are indeed a better

way to get ozone in, but drinking it is cheap. Just don't mix it too

strong. Be gentle.

<>It means that he/she has gotten rid of the

source of the problem but not the results of the problem. The results may be

a congested liver, weakened adrenals, mineral imbalances, low thyroid

output,

lessened acidophilus count in the intestines, weakened cardiovascular </>

I think that paragraph from the Jaguar site should read that your treatment

may affect the results of the problem - the symptoms - without changing the

underlying source of the problem, which could be poor diet, mineral

imbalances, low thyroid, weakened immune system etc.. I think this

particular work on the Jaguar site is misleading because there are examples

of causes lumped in with examples of symptoms as if they were the same

thing.

Many informed people are of the opinion that the changes a body undergoes

set the stage for invasion, cancer, or a host of other problems. These

changes are the underlying condition; and the result is the cancer, or

opportunistic infection. Some treatments (herbals, vitamins etc..) do

affect the underlying condition. Blood electrification for the most part

does not treat underlying condition (except for increasing energy levels) -

it's meant to cure without addressing underlying condition, which may be bad

lifestyle decisions, diet, etc..and can indeed be corrected (with the

naturopath's help) like the remainder of the paragraph suggests.

So do let's try to keep perspective on underlying conditions as being

seperate from outward manifestations - symptoms and opportunistic

infections. We'll be further ahead by keeping these distinctions accurate

and the terminology pure.

Nice link - use a herbal product that

increases immunity by 3-8 times. It's called MGN-3 and this site sells it:

http://flinet.com/~awaves/index.html

<>. I tend not to agree with his assumption that BE gets rid of the source

of the problem. I know it helped me though. My present feeling is that

oxygen/ozone enhancement gets more to the source of the problem, although

together there is probably a synergistic effect. I intend to keep doing BE

from time to time and get a feel for whether it's still helpful to me. I

just have this powerful feeling about oxygen </>

Yes, - the ozone does help with the underlying causes more than

blood electrification does.

<end of .02>

ciao

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dotsie;

Ingesting 35% H2O2 or even the 3% is too reactive.

Use only a few drops of 35% in a glass of water. But this weak solution, OR

ozonated water, is exactly the same thing to your body. If you let the

ozonated water sit for a few minutes, you have a H2O2 solution. The O3 in

solution quickly recombines into H2O2 in water, or in your body.

ciao

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Thought I'd update you on my son's progress after open-heart surgery. He's

fantastic! I cannot believe they can do the things they do in order to fix

a problem. He saw his cardiothoracic surg on follow-up, had a few small

complaints, but everything is okay now. He did have a problem getting

proper treatment for pain relief. It gets me how they got teh Patients

Rights posted all over the hospital, and send you home not adequately

covered with pain meds. They sent him home with Percocet 2 q 4h, total of

60 pills. And come back in two weeks. That's enough medicine to last a

total of 5 days it taken as prescribed! I preached and preached at him

to call the doc, but he wanted to tough it out. And it's okay now. He's

cleared to do anything he wants to as long as his body don't object! They

have the oldest son in Scout Camp up in northern Az, for anybody around

here, Camp Geronimo. The whole family will be going up on Saturday to stay

for a week as a guest of teh Boy Scouts. They've been really big in Scouts

ever since the first boy turned old enough to join, and he's 16 now.

Also, since I'm already on here, got to whine a little. I've been having

some floaters in my left eye, different than I've experienced before. Been

there for about a week, so I finally called my ophthalmologist on Tuesday

to see if I ought to come in. As luck would have it, he was trying to get

out of town on a weeks vacation to Canada, but they told me to come right

in. I was imagining all kinds of stuff that could be happening. The spots

were just in the left eye, and looked like I was looking thru black pepper

all over the eye. Well, to make a long story short, doc looked at the

other eye, got iritis in there, smoldering, no symptoms. And also got it

in the left eye with the floaters. I'd started the drops of Pred Forte on

Monday, just in case, better safe than sorry. He said he'd not treated it

in both eyes before in anybody else, and this is a first for me. Had no

symptoms except for the floaters. Funny part is, I've been having

enthesitis in the right heel for months, and since the eye started acting

up, the heel hasn't bothered me at all. Now is that strange or what? And

also, this whole thing started with a UTI in January that took a whole

month on Bactrim to clear up, the heel pain and iritis. And it's been

setting there waiting to pounce on me ever since. I'll tell you, if it's

not one thing, it's umpteen more? I've been under tremendous stress

lately, so go figure. Got to be connected.

Sorry for rambling, thanks for listening.

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Hi Dave, I'm so glad that you are getting some relief. I hope you are able to

fullfill your goal of once again becoming more active in the community and

church. I have always enjoyed your stories. You contribute so much to the list

in the way of compassion and humor. Hope the treatments continue to go well for

you.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your update. Good news on the approvals. That has to make a

happy new year for you.....

Question: What's mobic? Thanks. Kathy from WI

[Guest guest]

Kathy Mobic is an osteo drug aka meloxicam.

..

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Hey ! I am so happy for the good things that have happened in your

life...and trust me, with this disease, i have learned to appreciate every

thing good in my life and not take things for granted any more....esp time!!

I am curious, how old are you if i may ask...and what is your primary

diagnosis? I know what you mean about the fatigue. Sometimes I don't know

what is worse....the pain or the fatigue. I guess for me, even though the

pain is untolerable alot of times (esp lately), the fatigue is alot more

emotionally and mentally draining....very depressing at times. I get so

frustrated when I want to do something but my body says !#@@ NO In fact,

it is nap time now! Of course, my child woke up this morning at 3:45 wide

awake and I've been up since. We tried to go back to sleep, but couldn't!

OH....I AM FINALLY MARRIED....MRS RANDYAL SCOTT PHELPS...nice ring to it

isn't it. So, I did make it through the holidays and the wedding without any

serious repercussions!!! Besides being broke, my new husband and I have been

doing well together:) He is so supportive of my illness. , my son, is

crazy about him too. His daddy (my ex-husband) and (my husband) get

along great. In fact, I spent several days with my ex's family after

Christmas because had to work. is very encouraging of s

relationship with his other family....pretty awesome, huh!?! Anyway, going

to take my nap and I hope everyone had a great New Year!!! Talk to you guys

soon!!!!

Phelps

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>Hi all,

>The end of the year and some nice accomplishments lead me to let the

>group in on it.

>

>I was approved for SSA, SSI, SDI and Medi-Cal in the last week or so.

>

>Not to put too fine a point on it but it is quite an accomplishment.

>

>My main contribution is the good fortune is that I moved into my

>apt.

>seven years ago and the rent-control laws make it managible. My

>other

>contribution is to take the time and effort to jump the not so easy

>hurdles. My Social worker was an enormous help. It is a tough job

>but I did it. My reason for telling you this is that to let others

>know it can be done. Hang in there and do your best.

>

>My disease is acting normally. Everyday is a new surprise. My Dr.

>likes that attitude. I go from feeling awful to being bed-ridden.

>Then there is the meds. A couple of weeks ago I was up to 6 percidon

>a day and notheing happened. Zero. I am back to about 4 Lortab and

>2 Mobic. It seems to do the trick. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

>

>My problen that still baffels me is the fatigue. I feel, a lot of

>the

>times that all my get up and go, got up and went. Anyone else feel

>that way? You experiences would be appreciated.

>

>I forgot one other item that has helped me, I think. Prayer has

>helped me get through the day. I did got back to my roots and get

>out

>my rosary and " tell my beads " almost everyday. I feel that helped

>too!

>Happy New Year!

>

>

>Happy Ne

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In a message dated 4/13/03 5:02:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

supermattvan@... writes:

> I'll let you know how it all turns out. But I have

> to tell you that it was very daunting to give all my physical short comings

> to my employer.

>

>

>

hi matt~

i can empathize with you here and i am glad that you did it anyway:)

letting people help us, aka receiving love, can be an unfamiliar stance and

yet when we open up to it, it can be so very healing.

thanks for the update,

take care,

barb

May all beings be free from suffering and its causes

May all beings have happiness and its causes

May all beings be free from attachment, aversion, anger and fear

May they never be separated from the bliss that is sorrowless.

[Guest guest]

I am so glad your workplace is making accommodations for you. I will be

interested to hear how it progresses. Your job sounds very stressful in the

best of health!

I think I can relate a little to how you feel telling all to your employer

about your diagnoses - I feel a little invaded after telling mine, but that

it was a necessary evil.

-KJ

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt. I live in Lethbridge and was wondering what you know about how the

gov't of Canada ie healthcare and such reacts to our status.

Vunt72.

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Good luck with the process. It sounds very promising, I hope

it works out.

You have my sympathy about baring all. I went through that as

well. For me, the worst part was that I had to face it myself,

I couldn't pretend there wasn't a problem anymore.

G

supermattvan@... wrote:

> I thought while the laundry is going round and round, I would give an update

> on the accomadation process that is happening at work.

> ...... I'll let you know how it all turns out. But I have

> to tell you that it was very daunting to give all my physical short comings

> to my employer.

>

>

--

kjg@...

Canberra, ACT Australia

[Guest guest]

Vunt 72 I just spoke to our personnel department, they sent me the material

and had someone phone me to tell me about my options.

[Guest guest]

I had no side effects, 1st couple shots were done by my wife. I did all mine in the legs, never in the same spot, never got bruised and didn't hurt. Its just something you have to do and just know its hard at 1st you'll feel like you could be in the medical field by the time you're done. I did same treatment 48 weeks, jogged 5-7 miles every day and am hep c free at this time. By the way my name is Bill and I'm on my way to work. Bill O.

From: UPSAngel88@... Reply-Hepatitis C Hepatitis C Subject: UPDATE Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:28:39 EDT

Hi everyone

I just wanted to give an update on myself and also ask if anyone has been on this treatment. In 2 weeks, I will be starting my treatment and it will be Pegintron and Rebetron. Has anyone been on this and what are the side affects? I know everyone is different but the nurse did tell me that depression, flu symptoms, and weight loss was the biggest problems on this treatment. I did find me a place called Committment to Care that is gonna supply my medicine. Which I am glad conisdering these treatments are outragious!

Anyhow, I did find out I have 1a hep c. My DR is gonna have me schooled for one day before I start treatments to tell me everything about it and for me to learn how to give myself a shot... I am terrified about that! I either have to give it to myself in the stomach or leg??? The nurse said the reason they don't want you to give it in your arm, because it makes it terrible sore? Although, my mom did say she would go with me next week to the DR's office so she can learn how to give them.

If anyone can tell me anything else about this treatment, please let me know.

Happy Fourth of July!!

Hope it's a safe and happy one!

Love Angel

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----- Check out this lesson on " sub-routines " and see if you can take these

" auto pilot " skills to the next level! Great work! xo - :-D. -----

http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/skill08/sub.htm

Hi El - I also " install an auto pilot mechanism " to keep myself from getting

distracted from removals - I do this mainly when my kids are fighting

something off since I'm not the one being reminded by " symptoms " , but use it

on myself when something needs removing frequently and there are no physical

symptoms to prompt me . I also turn this auto pilot on at night so that we

can really lick stuff! I have wondered if anyone else used this technique. -

Alyse

on 3/26/05 6:02 PM, El at el_walker@... wrote:

hello El,

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Isn't it funny that sometimes things can be obvious, but yet difficult to

find?

Hope to hear more of your cures and your ideas of using immunics.

Here's a lesson I tested for

you:http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/skill07/rec11c.htm

Love, Esther

Greetings one and all:

Just an update to let everyone know how it is going with myself. I

uploaded a auto pilot program to all my bodies via Immunics. I did this

about four days ago, little did I know that it would more than likely save

my life today.

Getting up my mind was hot and heavy on my studies (Ancient History)

that I forgot to take my heart meds. Not the brightest of things to do. At

any rate of course within a short while my Unstable Angina really got

unstable. Hehehe...

In creating the auto pilot program I gave instructions to all bodies to

create a security grid and while I sleep or if I get to engrossed in

something the bodies would go on auto pilot checking all systems every 2

hours. In the event of trouble in any area or any attempt of an intrusion,

the body affected would sound an alarm to get my attention.

The alarm was to make my arch in my right foot cramp up and stay that way

until I connected. Four bodies sounded the alarm. Believe me I responded in

a hurry. Many questions I asked till I got the answer about not taking my

meds.

My right foot is not amused but that is ok it will get over it. Will

change scans to every 15 mins.

Do well!

El

[Guest guest]

Greetings Alyse:

I am currently experimenting with modified time streaming (Quantum

Mechanics.) Immunics thus far is able to handle the uplink. If I can get this

right, one should be able to cross link/connect with an exact time frame in the

past and bring it up in a full visual display (Living Color). I do believe this

would enhance ones ability to purge depression, obesity and so on.. Will adivise

once a working model is produced.

El

(One of the Rats)

Re: Update

Hi El - I also " install an auto pilot mechanism " to keep myself from getting

distracted from removals - I do this mainly when my kids are fighting

something off since I'm not the one being reminded by " symptoms " , but use it

on myself when something needs removing frequently and there are no physical

symptoms to prompt me . I also turn this auto pilot on at night so that we

can really lick stuff! I have wondered if anyone else used this technique. -

Alyse

on 3/26/05 6:02 PM, El at el_walker@... wrote:

Greetings one and all:

Just an update to let everyone know how it is going with myself. I

uploaded a auto pilot program to all my bodies via Immunics. I did this

about four days ago, little did I know that it would more than likely save

my life today.

Getting up my mind was hot and heavy on my studies (Ancient History)

that I forgot to take my heart meds. Not the brightest of things to do. At

any rate of course within a short while my Unstable Angina really got

unstable. Hehehe...

In creating the auto pilot program I gave instructions to all bodies to

create a security grid and while I sleep or if I get to engrossed in

something the bodies would go on auto pilot checking all systems every 2

hours. In the event of trouble in any area or any attempt of an intrusion,

the body affected would sound an alarm to get my attention.

The alarm was to make my arch in my right foot cramp up and stay that way

until I connected. Four bodies sounded the alarm. Believe me I responded in

a hurry. Many questions I asked till I got the answer about not taking my

meds.

My right foot is not amused but that is ok it will get over it. Will

change scans to every 15 mins.

Do well!

El

a..

[Guest guest]

I wish you the best of luck on your taper Dave. Antidepresant

medicines can be tricky. You will be in my thoughts....

[Guest guest]

Thanks math_nawi.

I should be clear though that at the time Prozac was started it very much helped

me through some very bad times. Not just disease related but other things I

would rather forget.

The problem is that after 9 or ten years it has built up in my system and

creating more problems than solving problems. Time to drop it.

The problem with Prozac was in it's long term usage. Testing did not go on long

enough and my shrink apologized because he had just finished a long term test on

another drug agains Prozac and found that folks could not get off it easily at

all. He actually thought I would be on it for the rest of my life the length of

which differs depending on who I am talking to at the time.

+Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave, I'm so sorry you are having to go through this. We all are praying

that your depression and pain levels will subside rapidly. It is my belief that

blessings are on the other side of such attacks. Hang in there. You are a

wonderful, giving person and we care very much for you. I'll say a little prayer

for Hazel, too. Sometimes...we old fogies have a harder load to pull than

when we were young and energetic. Try to take it a day at a time. God bless

you.

Hugs, Connie

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

I am very sorry to hear that you are doing badly, and I sincerely wish a

painless recovery for you. I told you a while ago that my Reiter's mimics

yours. I know what the withdrawal symptoms are about, I wouldn't wish them on

my

worst enemy. When I got my first dose of Morphine I knew I would be taking it

for the rest of my life. The one time that I ran out of pills for one day,

that I also realised they were not to be fooled with. I want you to know that

you are a hero (mentor?) of mine. Just this evening at dinner I told my wife

about the crack I have in the thick pad across my heel, I had to tell her that

you were suffering the same thing. You authenticate the things that are always

going on with this ****** disease. Keep on fighting Dave, don't do anything I

should mimic. Harv in MI

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave, again,

I should have specified in my post that it was Prozac I was talking

about. I am dependant on Prozac, Methadone, and Elavil, which you also take.

Also, for the thick pads on the foot, I use Aquaphor Ointment. It is expensive,

but I have tried all the rest, going back years. Best Wishes, Harv

[Guest guest]

I think I missed what drug it was that you were taking to cause this!!!???

-----Original Message-----

I wish now I had never taken the drug in the first place but it did help my

pain levels so I required less OxyContin SR.

___________________________________

I'm really sorry that you are feeling down. I'm trying to force positive

energy your way right now. I'm praying that you will be feeling better soon.

You are always in my thoughts and prayers. Just remember how many people

here truly love you and care about your well being. You have been such a

great source of healing and spiritual power to this group you have no idea.

Keep me posted on how you're feeling. I'll be praying.

Hugz,

Jackie

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