introduction

[Guest guest]

Joan:

Thanks for the suggestions for thickening up soups. I am going to try okra

next time. Do you do anything special with it when you put it in the soup?

I don't find that I like using arrowroot - it too expensive and I have to

use too much.

Kathie

O+ S

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Soup ideas:

For the texture and look of potato, jicama is nice. For thickening, how

about okra? I have tried arrowroot but have had mixed success.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/22/01 12:50:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

aloniarus@... writes:

Thanks for the info. I've tried Stevia and I really

don't like the taste.

Rose,

I also didn't like the first Stevia I tried. However I just love the one I

am using now. It is call Sweet Leaf. I use the powder but very little of

it. so maybe yo can find another brand that you would like better.

Pam in ID

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/22/01 12:42:34 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

aloniarus@... writes:

Do you have recommendation for replacing potatoes in

recipes? Potatoes, taro root and yucca are no-no's.

I'm looking for something that will act as a thickener

in soups or stews

I am sure Steve will have some suggestions, but in the meantime, I have found

that sweet potatoes, which are beneficial for us O's, are very tasty in soups

and stews. In fact I have used them for years even before ER said they were

good for me.

Pam in ID

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[Guest guest]

Rose,

I had the same problem, constipation, since I regularly eat some pumpkin

seeds this problem is gone.

Hope it will help you.

Louise

Kathie Fazio wrote:

>

> Rose:

>

> I am no expert by any means, but I am on a diet program called I Love

> Dieting and we take Vitamin B (from Shaklee) which helps to curb the sweet

> tooth. The ILD program also suggests one or two EVERY TIME we feel the

> least bit stressed, harried or have cravings -- just plain hunger or for

> sweets or other " addictive " foods. It sure helps me. Also, they have a bar

> called CarboCrunch which also satisfies that sweet tooth urge (for me).

> Also, I use Stevia instead of sugar which doesn't mess with my insulin

> levels and therefore does not continue that need for sweet. I get Stevia at

> a health food store and it is also available from Fred Meyer and you can

> also buy it on-line. There are cookbooks that teach you how to use Stevia

> for cooking, etc. I use to be the biggest " sweet tooth " in my family, but

> no more!!!!!! For the constipation, Shaklee has a product called HerbLax,

> which really helped my husband with his constipation problem.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> Kathie

> O+ S

> http://www.shaklee.net/kfcarter

> kfcarter@...

>

> Introduction

>

> Hello Everyone,

> My name is Rose and I'm new to the group. I have been

> following the diet off and on for a year. This year

> I've tried to follow the diet strictly for health

> reasons. I'm having a very difficult time with sugar

> cravings.I have resorted to eating Soy Creme (frozen

> dessert)in order to satisfy the craving for sweets/ice

> cream. Are there supplements that I can take to get

> rid of my sweettooth? Also I've noticed I'm eating

> much more meat than vegetables or fruit. Meat(rather

> than plant protein) gives me the energy I need. I

> usually fill up on meat and usually there's no extra

> room for vegetables. Because of this I have become

> constipated. Has anyone out there have any

> suggestions?

> Rose

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Supposedly, as I've read somewhere, people have taken what they call micro

doses of prednisone (10mg per day or less) when they felt bad (because of

arthritis) without any problems or side effects. They have done that for

years at a time, like 10 or 20 years straight. I don't think they would

take such a high amount so consistently but they would taper smaller doses

up and down as they felt worse or better so it's probably not as detrimental

as it sounds. It might be messing with her immune system though. ly

the every other day thing sounds kinda bad ... like a yo-yo ... as far a I

understand your not supposed to do stuff like that but instead take 5mg a

day or something but maybe it doesn't matter at such low doses. I would do

some research on these micro-dose people who have arthritis and have done

this (prednisone thing) for years to see if they have any recommendations

about it.

Here's what I take that could be an alternative for your mother. I have

found that it's good to switch things around, especially with the cortizone,

to give your body a break or chance to react in a different way. I

occasionally get ketalog shots and prefer them to prednisone for consistency

and strength. I also recommend the Singulair that I have started taking as

well. It works pretty good for me and as your mother's sampters sounds

mild you might be able to use Singulair plus a spray steroid (like

nasacort or such - they all seem the same) as an alternative to the prednisone

for a while. That plus the usual ideas of steam, warm wash cloths, etc to

help clear the sinuses and maybe some irrigation. So if you want to stay

with a cortizone treatment then look into the ketalog ... if you use it in

conjunction with the singulair (or sometimes even by itself) then be careful

of your mother's sinuses getting too dried out. Either way you probably want to

try

some herbal dietary suppliments to boost her immune system. It can take a

month or more to get rid of a sinus infection when the antibiotics don't

work and at your mother's age it could take longer.

snoochmail

> Dear Wise Samter's Sufferers:

> I am writing to get your wisdom because my mother has had Samter's

> since about 1985. She's had the polyps removed a couple of times but

> now has what seems to be a permanent infection. She's 78. Takes

> Prednisone 10 mg. every other day. I forget the list of stuff she

> takes. Nothing specifically for allergies, I believe, just the

> asthma inhalants.

> She's been on seven (7!), yes seven, antibiotics in 6 months. They

> (doctor is at Stanford) want to do surgery again but she won't

> because of the anesthesia. At her age, that's probably very wise.

> So here's my question: what are the alternatives? Has anyone tried

> acupuncture? Chinese Medicine? Anything? Clearly, her immune system

> is in the toilet and she really needs to pump it up. Ideally, I'd

> love to see her off the prednisone but that might be impossible. Now

> they're talking about upping her to 10mg every day. She's been on it

> for YEARS.

> Please share your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Only chronic sinus infections for me but I'm able to catch them now

> before they take over. Yey! (for now at least -- is Samter's

> hereditary?)

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Unfortunately, there is no that alternative treatments can PERMANENTLY

reduce scoliosis curves. There are several treatments, such as the

Copes brace, where people have reported temporary curve reduction. But,

as your friend said, the curve(s) will return when the treatment is

stopped. Having your daughter in a scoliosis brace or other expensive

treatment for the rest of her life probably isn't a desirable option.

You can find links to lots of alternative treatment websites on my

website at:

http://home.attbi.com/~lsracine/AlternativeCures.htm

Fortunately, there have been a lot of advances in scoliosis surgery

since your husband's co-worker had her surgery. The problem that your

husband's co-worker had is fairly rare with the newer segmental hardware

systems.

A small percentage of teens who have scoliosis surgery, have bad

outcomes that may require additional surgery. That's unfortunate. But,

for most of us, halting progression of the curves is a reward that's

worth the risk.

Your daughter's curve is in a gray area. It's possible that it might

not progress. You can find a great article on the risk of progression

after maturity, which might help you make your decision, at:

http://www.vh.org/pediatric/provider/orthopaedics/AIS/07CurveProgressionPM.html

Lastly, if you do decide that your daughter should have surgery, I'd

like to encourage you to get a second opinion, especially if you're

truly interested in an endoscopic approach. I've found that surgeons

who don't perform endoscopic surgery rarely pass their patients along to

surgeons who do use that approach. If you let us know in what part of

the country you live, someone might know the names of surgeons in your

area that use the newer technology.

Good luck with your decision.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/9/2002 1:01:43 AM Central Standard Time,

lindaracine@... writes:

> If you let us know in what part of the country you live, someone might know

> the names of surgeons in your area that use the newer technology.

>

Thanks for the link, . We live in St. Louis and her doctor is the only

one in the area who does endoscopic surgery - Larry Lenke. He believes her

curve isn't suitable for endoscopic surgery because she would still have

uneven shoulders. Also, I read somewhere that endoscopic surgery is being

recommended less often for adolescent scoliosis because the curve frequently

relapses for some reason. Do you know anything about that??

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In addition to the information gave you, you may want to check out the

webpage http://www.iscoliosis.com There are several stories of teenagers

who have been treated for scoliosis and their varying methods of treatment.

There is also a video diary of a 14yr old who has had rod placement to

correct her scoliosis. I don't know if they completed the video yet, but

there is information about what lead to their decision to have surgery.

There is also information about getting another opinion, especially if your

daughter's scoliosis is borderline.

My daughter is 16 and has a lumbar curve with a significant rotation (which

makes her " look " like she has a physical deformity more than most scoliosis

patients her age) and an upper compensatory curve. Her lumbar curve

currently measures 40 degrees. She is also not a candidate for the

endoscopic approach because her curve is a lumbar curve. Because my

daughter has reached skeletal maturity (Risser score is 5) we are continuing

with annual checkups/xrays and monitoring her back. The chances are not

good that she won't need surgery some time in the future. It will likely be

better to have surgery as a teenager, rather than waiting until adulthood,

but this is a decision we will make with our ortho, after lots of discussion

and weighing pros and cons.

Good luck and feel free to write if you have more questions or comments. I

believe at least a second opinion is worthwhile!

Carmell

mom to Kara 16, idiopathic scoliosis, Blake 12 and Braydon 7, congenital

scoliosis, thoracic insufficiency, Titanium Rib patient #137, etc.

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[Guest guest]

Hi...

Dr. Lenke would definitely know whether your daughter is a candidate or

not.

I think that a lot of the early endoscopic cases have failed because the

surgeons weren't doing a very good job of cleaning the disc spaces

completely so that fusion could take hold. As far as I know, the more

recent cases are doing better. As with any other new technology, I urge

everyone to consider all the options and understand that newer

treatments aren't always better treatments.

Regards,

CATHYBUCK@... wrote:

> Thanks for the link, . We live in St. Louis and her doctor is the only

> one in the area who does endoscopic surgery - Larry Lenke. He believes her

> curve isn't suitable for endoscopic surgery because she would still have

> uneven shoulders. A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/03 3:10:37 AM Central Standard Time,

lisa_wintch@... writes:

> I haven't seemed to be able to tolerate even the allowed carbs like ezekial

> bread, rice, any fruit, ect without feeling bloated and sugar imbalances.

>

>

>

Hi ,

I too am relatively new to the group and am figuring this eating thing out.

But your story makes me think you have more problems then just eating. I

have systemic Candidia, which is a yeast overgrowth problem, and like you

cannot tolerate fruit, carbs etc, without getting all bloaty and gassy. Plus

once you have it, other symptoms occur, like stiff joints, etc. I have to

avoid all fruit, all processed grains and corn, all sugar, and eat only a

very little whole grain.

If you go to the following website you can take the questionnaire to see if

your symptoms match up with Candidia symptoms:

http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/candi.html

Good luck,

Hanida

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Hanida has a point there with Candida,

+ it would be important to have understanding and helpful people

around you.

Even if you choose to follow the Type O way ( which isn't strtange

for me, Type Os and Bs are much closer to each other than others),

do not forget about the major B Avoids, corn (I guess you avoid that),

chicken and tomatoes, they're vicios!

Go on your low carb and do exercise!!!

Rose/Hun

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/2003 12:29:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

fitoverforty@... writes:

<< I would like to know how successful all of you have been on this diet in

terms of health and in terms of losing wieght. I guess from what Max said

one must stick very close to the diet to lose weight. Is that what everyone

else has found?

I hope this group will stay active, as I find the ERFYT-advanced a little

overwhelming and one sided - thanks for the response.

Jane >>

LOL--well we're certainly active!! 5 years ago I had congestive heart

failure (enlarged heart) with a 10% heart ejection fraction (55% is normal)

and expected to degenerate from there. The mortality rate for what I have is

59% in 5 years. They were talking heart transplant and said it was doubtful

I would improve. Well, I just made my 5 years, had a 35% ejection fraction

last year and improving, and feel better than I have in years. Most of this

I attribute to this diet. It works but you have to stick to it. I'm amused

by the " except for " people. " Well, I follow the diet except for... "

They'll never enjoy the full health benefits of the diet until they comply.

It's your body, it's your life. I cheat occasionally, we all do, but the

operative word is " occasionally " not routinely. Sometime in the future give

the diet 30 days with no avoids. After then try a few avoids and see what

they do to you. I found that I fell asleep, got indigestion, became

bloat-boy, had a rash, felt rotten, etc. Of course, if I kept at the avoid,

the symptoms went away as my body adjusted to the poison I was feeding it.

It was just as destructive, I just didn't feel as acutely sick. I did

decline overall though. For instance when I drink coffee, I just feel

generally lousy and my chest tightens up. I find that it takes about 2-4

days for me to overcome a significant avoid. Give it a chance and evolve

into the 30 day thing and you may be like me. I felt so incredibly great

that I've never looked back. Good luck, it's a hard diet to stay on but well

worth it.

Max

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/2003 1:01:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, walou@...

writes:

<< Have had the test kit for awhile--but can't seem to generate

enough saliva to take the test. >>

Hey, it looks like just a little but it's hard to spit that much!!!!--LOL.

Just walk around and keep spitting into the test tube (fortunately I am a

bachlor and wasn't being laughed at). Took me about 45 minutes.--LOL.

Finding out has been very significant for me. I have felt a lot better since

I've eliminated the new list of avoids. Spelt was really nailing me and I

didn't know it. Couldn't lose an ounce.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/2003 1:40:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

nmcmu6937@... writes:

<< We eat lots of vegies and fruits, meat, but probably eat too many grains

(spelt), maybe 6 servings/wk. >>

Maybe you're a nonnie. Either way, grains are not friends to Os. I don't

worry about servings except for grains, which I minimize (maybe 1 piece of EZ

bread every other day). The key is to eat a lot of protein. It fills you up

and you don't get weak or hungry. Your protein-to-carb ratio should be high.

If you're sucking down a lot of fruit and grains, you won't lose any weight.

[Guest guest]

Jane, glad to have you join us. I started this diet about 4 years

ago--and like I do everything I first start--I embraced it

wholeheartedly! Started cold turkey. In a

few months I was no longer bothered with joint stiffness, reflux, sinus

problems and even a trigger finger had healed. I had such a wonderful

feeling of well being and had lost, without trying, 20 lbs.

Felt soo good--then made the mistake of reading that after a while if

you are at least 80% compliant--all will be well. That's when my weight

loss stopped. It has been so hard to get back to 100%. When I do

deviate, for the next couple of days stiffness and hay fever symptoms

return. A sharp reminder to stay focused.

From some of Max's posts, I'm beginning to think maybe I'm a non

secreter. Have had the test kit for awhile--but can't seem to generate

enough saliva to take the test. LOL

Good luck, Jane. This is a great way of life. ...Wanda from N. Ca.

[Guest guest]

By saying you are compliant, do you mean not only the foods but the servings? I

have been on the diet for about 3 weeks and am eating only what is on the list

(O+) and am not losing weight at all. But I have not been real good about

sticking to the servings. We eat lots of vegies and fruits, meat, but probably

eat too many grains (spelt), maybe 6 servings/wk. Could this be the reason for

no weight loss or do I need to do the secretor test?

[Guest guest]

>Just walk around and keep spitting into

> the test tube (fortunately I am a bachlor

> and wasn't being laughed at). Took me

> about 45 minutes.-

Thanks Max, I'll give it a try--might work---and get some exercise at

the same time! LOL ...Wanda

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. I guess we are a little heavy on the grains, but not

over the maximum allowed. I also think we may need to cut back to the minimum

on fruits and juices. We will give this a try and if still no weight loss, will

save to get the secretor test.

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jane. Actually, by sticking with the diet, if you are a secretor you

will probably loose weight. However, even if you don't and you have any

health problems, they will probably improve or you might even get over them.

If you are older like some of us, we simply have to eat either little or no

grains and go heavier on raw veggies. That is better for you any way. I

think I remember we are supposed to have more raw than cooked veggies. We

also don't mind answering any questions that might come to mind do don't

hesitate to ask.

introduction

> I recently joined this group and am glad to see that there is finally some

> discussion.

> My name is Jane and I am an O - secretor status unknown. I have been

> investegating body type diets for a few years, but have not really been

> satisfied with any of them. Then I found ERFYT and decided to try it.

First

> I am trying to add all of beneficials to my diet and to stay away from the

> avoids. I normally eat only 1 of the fish avoids, so it has been okay in

the

> meat and fish department. Now I am going to try and work on the vegtable,

> fruit, and nut catagories. I thought slow was better.

> I would like to know how successful all of you have been on this diet in

> terms of health and in terms of losing wieght. I guess from what Max said

> one must stick very close to the diet to lose weight. Is that what

everyone

> else has found?

> I hope this group will stay active, as I find the ERFYT-advanced a little

> overwhelming and one sided - thanks for the response.

> Jane

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Some people start noticing that their cloths fit different after a month or

so. That is because your body gets rid of all the stuff that has built up

over the years that you shouldn't have eaten. After that you may start

loosing weight. Each person is different.

Re: introduction

> By saying you are compliant, do you mean not only the foods but the

servings? I have been on the diet for about 3 weeks and am eating only what

is on the list (O+) and am not losing weight at all. But I have not been

real good about sticking to the servings. We eat lots of vegies and fruits,

meat, but probably eat too many grains (spelt), maybe 6 servings/wk. Could

this be the reason for no weight loss or do I need to do the secretor test?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started the diet in September and have lost over 50 pounds. I am

losing about 2 pounds a week. I have not limited portions or worried

about ratios at all yet. I figure I will need to get more serious about

that when I quit losing.

When not eating out I am 99% compliant. My 1% non compliance is salad

dressing -I eat a salad everyday for lunch.

[Guest guest]

Jane,

I have been following tghe diet for over 2 years now and feel much better. I

lost weight without trying and have lots more energy. For blood type O I

believe the exercise is also the key to losing weight. If I deviate and eat

wheat I really feel bad. I went to a funeral and after the funeral they only

had sandwiches and that is what I ate. After I ate the sandwiches i felt bad

for the entire evening.

I try to avoid wheat at any costl. I eat my tuna with Rye Krisp and like it now

better than bread.

Keep it up, I will send for my secretor kit, Does anyone know where in Europe

I can get the kit as I am now living in Belgium?

Cheers,

introduction

I recently joined this group and am glad to see that there is finally some

discussion.

My name is Jane and I am an O - secretor status unknown. I have been

investegating body type diets for a few years, but have not really been

satisfied with any of them. Then I found ERFYT and decided to try it. First

I am trying to add all of beneficials to my diet and to stay away from the

avoids. I normally eat only 1 of the fish avoids, so it has been okay in the

meat and fish department. Now I am going to try and work on the vegtable,

fruit, and nut catagories. I thought slow was better.

I would like to know how successful all of you have been on this diet in

terms of health and in terms of losing wieght. I guess from what Max said

one must stick very close to the diet to lose weight. Is that what everyone

else has found?

I hope this group will stay active, as I find the ERFYT-advanced a little

overwhelming and one sided - thanks for the response.

Jane

[Guest guest]

. go to www.dadamo.com and ask Koky van Hesteren, She lives in Holland

and knows where to get things.

Emmi

PS. there also is a Eat right board in UK. I'm sure they can be of help of help

http://groups.msn.com/er5ytUK

[Guest guest]

Emmi,

I tried the web site, didn't find her or anywhere to search for her, any other

ideas?

Re: introduction

. go to www.dadamo.com and ask Koky van Hesteren, She lives in Holland

and knows where to get things.

Emmi

PS. there also is a Eat right board in UK. I'm sure they can be of help of help

http://groups.msn.com/er5ytUK <http://groups.msn.com/er5ytUK>

[Guest guest]

If you can get to the Uk messageboard, you can ask Tom (the owner).He is a

natural health consultant. Blakeney at the board is the monitor, she

would know. You might have to sign up as a member to ask questions

It's Stacktheme or such in England that carries the secreter tests, me thinks.