Re: was Fusion Regrets/now spinecor brace

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I'd like to point out, no one knows the long term (even a lot of the

short term) efficacy on Spinecor. Check the NSF forums for all the

initially good results that led to fusions in the long run. There

have been a LOT lately.

Spinecor patients are never even xrayed out of the brace, which many

find suspect.

Before you jump on board, pull the PubMed articles and search more

than Colliard and Rivard's " data " . Peer review (and buy in) just

isn't there yet.

Remember some curves will not progress OUT of a brace, and some

curves will progress in ANY brace. When they have actually

identified an " ideal candidate " group (like vertebral stapling) and

some long term positive (permanent) results are published, I'll

reevaluate my skepticism for what has been described as " a glorified

rubber band " .

Best of luck to you trying it.

Regards,

Pam

>

> What is the difference between the Spinecor &

> Milwaukee brace that the spinecor has such a high

> success rate? I haven't encountered any such

> statistics for the Milwaukee. Nor have I known anyone

> personally who wore the Milwaukee brace and didn't

> require surgery. What is it that supposedly makes the

> spinecor so effective? ~Moonbeam

>

>

> There are effective treatments out there like Spinecor

> for

> example...patient groups from 20-45 degree curves had

> 96% success rate

> in preventing surgery according to july 2007 issue of

> journal of

> pediatric orthopedic..

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my daughter now 22 wore a brace for one year at age 8.

it wasn't a milwaukee it was plastic and fit around

the trunk of her body in place with heavy velcro

straps. It helped her then 24 degree curve and she

didn't have to have surgery.

--- L Howell <moonbeamblessings@...> wrote:

> What is the difference between the Spinecor &

> Milwaukee brace that the spinecor has such a high

> success rate? I haven't encountered any such

> statistics for the Milwaukee. Nor have I known

> anyone

> personally who wore the Milwaukee brace and didn't

> require surgery. What is it that supposedly makes

> the

> spinecor so effective? ~Moonbeam

>

>

> There are effective treatments out there like

> Spinecor

> for

> example...patient groups from 20-45 degree curves

> had

> 96% success rate

> in preventing surgery according to july 2007 issue

> of

> journal of

> pediatric orthopedic..

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sounds like a Boston brace.

Lj

Gail Merri <p0etiss@...> wrote:

my daughter now 22 wore a brace for one year at age 8.

it wasn't a milwaukee it was plastic and fit around

the trunk of her body in place with heavy velcro

straps. It helped her then 24 degree curve and she

didn't have to have surgery.

--- L Howell <moonbeamblessings@...> wrote:

> What is the difference between the Spinecor &

> Milwaukee brace that the spinecor has such a high

> success rate? I haven't encountered any such

> statistics for the Milwaukee. Nor have I known

> anyone

> personally who wore the Milwaukee brace and didn't

> require surgery. What is it that supposedly makes

> the

> spinecor so effective? ~Moonbeam

>

>

> There are effective treatments out there like

> Spinecor

> for

> example...patient groups from 20-45 degree curves

> had

> 96% success rate

> in preventing surgery according to july 2007 issue

> of

> journal of

> pediatric orthopedic..

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Pam wrote:

Best of luck to you trying it.

Oh, I'm not gonna try it. I was just wondering since

such hich statistics were quoted for a succes rate,

what made the Spinecor any different from any other

brace that ever was or ever has been used. It was

seemingly being offered as the solution to avoiding or

preventing scoliosis surgery. In all the research I've

done and the ppl I've known with scoliosis, the most a

brace ever did was buy time. All the curves progressed

while braced; the brace simply slowed the progression

in some cases. ~Moonbeam

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Gail,

What was your daughter's curve after wearing her

particular type brace. What is the curve like today? ~Moonbeam

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before bracing the curve was 24. She wore the brace

for a year it was a heavy plastic from her chest to

her hips and if memory serves me right her curve went

to either 11 or 14 degrees sorry I forget exactly but

no more than 14 for sure. She was checked not by xray

but bend over recently when we went back to the same

doctor for my son (it was his appointment) and the

doctor said she looked fine. Next time she is home

and we go with him I will ask them to xray her to be

sure if he thinks it should be checked.

--- L Howell <moonbeamblessings@...> wrote:

> Gail,

> What was your daughter's curve after wearing her

> particular type brace. What is the curve like today?

> ~Moonbeam

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what is the difference between a boston brace and a

spinecor brace?

--- Lana Jarvis <fyfer1949@...> wrote:

> Sounds like a Boston brace.

> Lj

>

> Gail Merri <p0etiss@...> wrote:

> my daughter now 22 wore a brace for one

> year at age 8.

> it wasn't a milwaukee it was plastic and fit around

> the trunk of her body in place with heavy velcro

> straps. It helped her then 24 degree curve and she

> didn't have to have surgery.

> --- L Howell <moonbeamblessings@...> wrote:

>

> > What is the difference between the Spinecor &

> > Milwaukee brace that the spinecor has such a high

> > success rate? I haven't encountered any such

> > statistics for the Milwaukee. Nor have I known

> > anyone

> > personally who wore the Milwaukee brace and didn't

> > require surgery. What is it that supposedly makes

> > the

> > spinecor so effective? ~Moonbeam

> >

> >

> > There are effective treatments out there like

> > Spinecor

> > for

> > example...patient groups from 20-45 degree curves

> > had

> > 96% success rate

> > in preventing surgery according to july 2007 issue

> > of

> > journal of

> > pediatric orthopedic..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Moonbeam...

Actually, the Milwaukee brace has a fairly high success rate. Here's

just one of dozens of study abstracts that show positive outcomes:

A meta-analysis of the efficacy of non-operative treatments for

idiopathic scoliosis.

Rowe DE, Bernstein SM, Riddick MF, Adler F, Emans JB, Gardner-Bonneau D.

Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies, Michigan 49008, USA.

rowe@...

With use of data culled from twenty studies, members of the Prevalence

and Natural History Committee of the Scoliosis Research Society

conducted a meta-analysis of 1910 patients who had been managed with

bracing (1459 patients), lateral electrical surface stimulation (322

patients), or observation (129 patients) because of idiopathic

scoliosis. Three variables - the type of treatment, the level of

maturity, and the criterion for failure - were analyzed to determine

which had the greatest impact on the outcome. We also examined the

effect of the type of brace that was used and the duration of bracing

on the success of treatment. The number of failures of treatment in

each study was determined by calculating the total number of patients

who had unacceptable progression of the curve (as defined in the

study), who could not comply with or tolerate treatment, or who had an

operation. The percentage of patients who completed a given course of

treatment without failure, adjusted for the sample sizes of the

studies in which that treatment was used, yielded the weighted mean

proportion of success for that treatment. The weighted mean proportion

of success was 0.39 for lateral electrical surface stimulation, 0.49

for observation only, 0.60 for bracing for eight hours per day, 0.62

for bracing for sixteen hours per day, and 0.93 for bracing for

twenty-three hours per day. The twenty-three-hour regimens were

significantly more successful than any other treatment (p < 0.0001).

The difference between the eight and sixteen-hour regimens was not

significant, with the numbers available. Although lateral electrical

surface stimulation was associated with a lower weighted mean

proportion of success than observation only, the difference was not

significant, with the numbers available. This meta-analysis

demonstrates the effectiveness of bracing for the treatment of

idiopathic scoliosis. The weighted mean proportion of success for the

six types of braces included in this review was 0.92, with the highest

proportion (0.99) achieved with the Milwaukee brace. We found that use

of the Milwaukee brace or another thoracolumbosacral orthosis for

twenty-three hours per day effectively halted progression of the

curve. Bracing for eight or sixteen hours per day was found to be

significantly less effective than bracing for twenty-three hours per

day (p < 0.0001).

As Pam pointed out. There are successes and failures for every type

of treatment. It seems that if your curve is the wrong type, it's

going to progress, no matter what type of brace of treatment is thrown

at it. And, there are curves that will never progress. Thankfully,

it appears that the medical community is right on the cusp of

accurately predicting which curves will progress and which won't. In

the near future, patients whose curves aren't going to progress, won't

have to go through the torture of braces, etc. And, patients who are

going to progress, can make the decision to go through a stapling

procedure, or even have fusion surgery sooner rather than later.

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> >

> > What is the difference between the Spinecor &

> > Milwaukee brace that the spinecor has such a high

> > success rate? I haven't encountered any such

> > statistics for the Milwaukee. Nor have I known anyone

> > personally who wore the Milwaukee brace and didn't

> > require surgery. What is it that supposedly makes the

> > spinecor so effective? ~Moonbeam

> >

> >

> > There are effective treatments out there like Spinecor

> > for

> > example...patient groups from 20-45 degree curves had

> > 96% success rate

> > in preventing surgery according to july 2007 issue of

> > journal of

> > pediatric orthopedic..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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,

Thanks for the interesting information regarding the

success rates for the Milwaukee brace. I guess I was

just one of those cases that would've progressed no

matter what...as were the girls I knew who also wore

the brace & needed surgery. ~Moonbeam

Milwaukee brace stats like these are similar in

efficacy to the spincor at 96%. It sounded like the DC

was insinuating that the spinecor was the best route

for a scoli patient to take in the post I read.

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