Guest guest Posted August 13, 1999 Report Share Posted August 13, 1999 Dr. Chansky said: >504 plans are for kids who often have less severe disabilities and do not >need to be classified as they would with IDEA (individuals with >disabilities education act) which involves the IEP process. 504 can be >less paper work, a less formal evaluation process, and less risk of stigma >because no label is required. The down side is that with a 504 there are >fewer checks and balances, no funding $$ attached, no specified times for >re-evaluation etc, so they may be harder to enforce. Actually, you can have both a 504 _and_ an IEP. The 504 is an especially good place for setting up " what if " programs - what to do if a certain behavior appears at school. For example, if your child has Tourette's, you can use the 504 to set up a signal to give the teacher and a place he can go should he develop a particularly annoying, loud tic that needs to be done. This gives him responsibility and puts a program in place where he won;t get in trouble. Another " what if " : what if OCD contamination obsessions emerge re: school bathrooms? The 504 is good for this. Other things that can be pout in the 504 are specific adjustments, such as extra time for test taking, as other parents mentioned. These can be on the accomodations page of the IEP instead, or also. One _good_ thing about a 504 plan is that you can complain directly to the state office of civil rights (OCR) if it is violated and going through the usual channels doesn't work. You don;t have to slog through a lengthy due process hearing first. FWIW, Mitzi Mitzi Waltz * Author and Editor * http://www.teleport.com/~infobahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 In a message dated 7/29/2003 6:18:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sandraismith@... writes: > We actually used a 2nd year law student from a local university. Check > with your local law schools to see if they have any programs to match you up > with a " budding lawyer " interested in your case. , Thanks so much for your ideas -- I hadn't even thought of approaching a law student. But there are at least 3 law schools in the city in which we live-- what a great idea! I --Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Dear all interested in 504 plans: Thought I'd relay this to those of you who are trying to write plans. One thing we did learn is that if your doctor writes a note recommending adaptive physical education, the school cannot force your child to take regular physical education or not receive credit. The school must then provide someone to evaluate your child based on his/her medical history and come up with a PE program tailored to your child's needs. --Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Kim: Thank you so much for all the information! You've given me some comfort in knowing this is probably the right path to take with . Also it felt " right " that and have the same diagnosis! I'm getting a book from the library called " slaw " and it has a ton of info about all the plans, I think. I'll bone up on our rights there and then take that along with your helpful suggestions and figure out what I want the ped to sign... he'll want me to do the work for him and just have him sign it. He does that with bloodwork (he's a trusting soul, after all we've been through together he knows I'll figure it out for him!)... he'll have me " pick " the tests and print out basically a test order, he then puts it on his letterhead and signs it. He knows that I'm very levelheaded and won't ask for needless tests. Anyway, thanks again, your suggestions were great and there were things there I had not thought of. (mom to Kate, born 9/19/02, dairy intolerant; and , age 5, GERD, dairy intolerant -- currently has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell & other defs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Kim: Thank you so much for all the information! You've given me some comfort in knowing this is probably the right path to take with . Also it felt " right " that and have the same diagnosis! I'm getting a book from the library called " slaw " and it has a ton of info about all the plans, I think. I'll bone up on our rights there and then take that along with your helpful suggestions and figure out what I want the ped to sign... he'll want me to do the work for him and just have him sign it. He does that with bloodwork (he's a trusting soul, after all we've been through together he knows I'll figure it out for him!)... he'll have me " pick " the tests and print out basically a test order, he then puts it on his letterhead and signs it. He knows that I'm very levelheaded and won't ask for needless tests. Anyway, thanks again, your suggestions were great and there were things there I had not thought of. (mom to Kate, born 9/19/02, dairy intolerant; and , age 5, GERD, dairy intolerant -- currently has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell & other defs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Good luck with the cleaning and purell issues-some places are not to keen with all of that or they may say that it will be done-but you have to provide the purell and any cleaning supplies-I know this one from experience! I often had to go in in Kind. and pre with lysol to clean and such. We provided Purell for every classroom. That way could always use it when he walked into the classroom. Its impossible to have all the students use it. But made sure he did. Either using the Purell in the classroom or using the Purell he has in his backpack. knows the importance of it and uses it in every class. He also does not use the door knobs, if at all possible. He will time it after another student. He also does not drink from the water fountains. He carries water with him. We have also provided water in each classroom and in the nurses office in case he forgets. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 My son had a 504 while he was in public school. He is now in Catholic school. Our public school was no prize all the way around. From: Candy <dclecrouch@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 10:03:14 AMSubject: 504 Plans Hello, I have heard alot aboout IEPs, but not 504 plans. My son has a 504 plan. It has helped alot, I think without it we might be in the same situation some other parents are going thru with the school discipline. It works around their disability so they have the same opprutunity as their peers in regards to student rights. For example our school district has a week long trip to a science camp called Scicon. The school had told me they were thinking of not letting him go,they said they were afraid something might happen. When I told his psychologist, he said they could not do that, it was like they were punishing him for something he had not done yet, and if they had to get him an aide for the whole week, they could not deny him going, when I mentioned it to the school, they changed their mind. On our first appointment with him he asked about his 504 plan. I said what is a 504 plan, he was not happy, he said "he dos not have a 504 plan!" I had no idea it even existed, and I have talked to alot of other parents and they didnt know either. Maybe the schools dont just offer it unless you ask for it because it makes them more accountable. If you dont have one find out more about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 504 plans and IEPs are not the same thing--and generally, IEPs are preferable. One has to do solely with accommodations. the other has to do with much, much more. A 504 is far more limiting than an IEP.See comparisons here:http://www.ed-center.com/504You can have either a 504 OR an IEP, not both. IEP is preferable. MarilynFrom: Candy <dclecrouch@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 10:03:14 AMSubject: 504 Plans Hello, I have heard alot aboout IEPs, but not 504 plans. My son has a 504 plan. It has helped alot, I think without it we might be in the same situation some other parents are going thru with the school discipline. It works around their disability so they have the same opprutunity as their peers in regards to student rights. For example our school district has a week long trip to a science camp called Scicon. The school had told me they were thinking of not letting him go,they said they were afraid something might happen. When I told his psychologist, he said they could not do that, it was like they were punishing him for something he had not done yet, and if they had to get him an aide for the whole week, they could not deny him going, when I mentioned it to the school, they changed their mind. On our first appointment with him he asked about his 504 plan. I said what is a 504 plan, he was not happy, he said "he dos not have a 504 plan!" I had no idea it even existed, and I have talked to alot of other parents and they didnt know either. Maybe the schools dont just offer it unless you ask for it because it makes them more accountable. If you dont have one find out more about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Have any of you had a 504 plan wrote for your children for a long term disability? Ruthi From: Scoliosis Treatment [mailto:Scoliosis Treatment ] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 03:13 AM Scoliosis Treatment <Scoliosis Treatment > Subject: Digest Number 2593 For scoliosis patients using accepted and proven orthopaedic treatment. <Scoliosis Treatment;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOTAycmUwBF9TAzk3Mz\ U5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzU4OTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDk0NzA5BHNlYwNoZHIEc2xrA2hwaARzdGltZQ\ MxMzE2NTA2Mzk1> Messages In This Digest (2 Messages) 1a. Re: Post Op Three Months: Intense Pain - Hook Issue -... From: Randie Meyer 1b. Re: Post Op Three Months: Intense Pain - Hook Issue -... From: Khanley40@... View All Topics <Scoliosis Treatment/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbnNoYmp0B\ F9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzU4OTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDk0NzA5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNhd\ HBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY1MDYzOTY-?xm=1 & m=p & tidx=1> | Create New Topic <Scoliosis Treatment/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOGFsMGJpBF9TA\ zk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzU4OTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDk0NzA5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNudHBjB\ HN0aW1lAzEzMTY1MDYzOTY-> Messages 1a. Re: Post Op Three Months: Intense Pain - Hook Issue -... <Scoliosis Treatment/message/11160;_ylc=X3oDMTJycjVp\ ODc5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzIwNzU4OTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDk0NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzExMTYw\ BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY1MDYzOTY-> Posted by: " Randie Meyer " taknitlite@... <mailto:taknitlite@...?Subject= Re%3A%20Post%20Op%20Three%20Months%3A%20Intense%20Pain%20-%20Hook%20Issue%20-%2E\ %2E%2E> taknitlite <taknitlite> Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:23 am (PDT) I had problems in between my shoulder blades. It was because of the connector. I had it removed and it did solve the problem of that pain. But since then I've had a problem from having the muscle cut when it was removed. My shoulder blade does some weird movement and I have pain when I raise my arm a certain direction and if I lift anything above my head. I've had physical therapy and it's helped a great deal. But it's been 2 years and I've never regained my normal strength. It seems that if it's not one thing it's another. ________________________________ From: Meow Mel <meowmel@... <mailto:meowmel%40> > Scoliosis Treatment <mailto:Scoliosis Treatment%40> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:52 AM Subject: Re: Post Op Three Months: Intense Pain - Hook Issue -... I HEARD THAT! It was something the surgeon said (might) happen... on the other hand steroids aren't the best thing to inject in the body. Anyone else have any long-term issues with this? Is it possible that the hook has slipped and is into the muscle causing great pain? Never ending pain.... Thanks, Mel > > No I did not get white spots and I had it done twice. Never heard of > that. I would try anything before having surgery again. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 What does 504 mean for PE? I am having some issues with PE as well. But they have yet to suggest 504... She is still experiencing pain, mostly from her hook or screw, which we are trying to figure out now. Mel > > Hi > My daughter had scoliosis surgery last December and her school insisted on a 504 plan this year for PE accommodations. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 When my son had surgery for scoliosis, the school wanted him to go into the special ed PE program but his counselor worked it out so that when he returned to school, he put my son in the health semester and for the next semester he put him in track with the stipulation to the gym teacher that he only walked the track with no stretching before or after and finally, for his last semester of PE, the counselor put him in badminton which, by then my son was able to cautiously play. A good counselor can really make a huge difference and a my son was certainly lucky with the counselor that he had! Re: 504 plans Hi My daughter had scoliosis surgery last December and her school insisted on a 504 plan this year for PE accommodations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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