Medications

[Guest guest]

> Deb,

> She also made sure that we always gave Brook a supplement called

Carnitor because depakote can make you carnitore deficient which

leads to a bunch of other problems. If you want more info on

Carnitor let me know.

Marissa,

What is Carnitor/Carnitor Deficiency?

Deb

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/02 12:48:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

>

> > For he was running

> > laps around the house after receiving 5mg of ritalin

>

> Now THAT made me laugh!

>

> LMAO,

>

>

>

,

It was quite funny especially when he tried standing on his head repeatedly.

Never quite got that before the med wore off.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/12/02 12:48:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

writes:

>

> > For he was running

> > laps around the house after receiving 5mg of ritalin

>

> Now THAT made me laugh!

>

> LMAO,

>

>

>

,

It was quite funny especially when he tried standing on his head repeatedly.

Never quite got that before the med wore off.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Beth,

Yes, we tried Paxil and then Zoloft twice just recently. The Dr. did

want to try those first before trying Risperdal. We are definitely trying to

stop the obsessive water behavior and the throwing. I think the water

obsession is the worst behavior problem that we have to deal with right now.

The Dr. also saw this as a safety concern, since Brook will seek out water

and that can be dangerous as in going outside and looking for a hose to turn

on. He has been known to cross the street in order to get to a hose and he

has no sense of danger. Neither drug seemed to help with either the water

obsession or the throwing, I think the Paxil made it worse, he was hyper and

was throwing a lot and the Zoloft only made Brook lose his appetite and

become lethargic.

As a matter of fact just last week when Brook's case manager from the

Regional Center was here doing his annual review, he managed to pull the gate

to the upstairs open and was up in my bathroom spraying water while we were

downstairs in the kitchen talking.

After reading your last email I spoke with my sister who is an internist

and we discussed the Risperdal dosage. She thought starting at 1 mg was a

little high. She said that she generally starts her patients on .5mg, many of

them are elderly and she starts them with low doses. She thought it would

make sense to start Brook on .5mg also. So, I'm thinking that I will cut the

tablets in half and start him out that way at first. We can always raise it

gradually if we don't see any effect.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

Beth,

Yes, we tried Paxil and then Zoloft twice just recently. The Dr. did

want to try those first before trying Risperdal. We are definitely trying to

stop the obsessive water behavior and the throwing. I think the water

obsession is the worst behavior problem that we have to deal with right now.

The Dr. also saw this as a safety concern, since Brook will seek out water

and that can be dangerous as in going outside and looking for a hose to turn

on. He has been known to cross the street in order to get to a hose and he

has no sense of danger. Neither drug seemed to help with either the water

obsession or the throwing, I think the Paxil made it worse, he was hyper and

was throwing a lot and the Zoloft only made Brook lose his appetite and

become lethargic.

As a matter of fact just last week when Brook's case manager from the

Regional Center was here doing his annual review, he managed to pull the gate

to the upstairs open and was up in my bathroom spraying water while we were

downstairs in the kitchen talking.

After reading your last email I spoke with my sister who is an internist

and we discussed the Risperdal dosage. She thought starting at 1 mg was a

little high. She said that she generally starts her patients on .5mg, many of

them are elderly and she starts them with low doses. She thought it would

make sense to start Brook on .5mg also. So, I'm thinking that I will cut the

tablets in half and start him out that way at first. We can always raise it

gradually if we don't see any effect.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

Marisa,

That is exactly what we did, cut the .5 mg tabs into 1/4's. These are

tablets; I don't know if risperdal comes in liquid form. We have used

liquid suspensions for the prozac and paxil because we were giving him less

than .5 ml and it was more accurate to count out drops of it. Your

experience with the Depakote sounds exactly what we have gone through with

the Prozac dosing.

I was trying to remember a term- paradoxical, I think it is, when a

medication responds in the opposite way which it was intended. For some of

our kids, whose systems can be a big old question mark anyway, minute

amounts CAN have a good effect. I think it is amazing that you saw better

seizure control with lower doses, not higher!

Good luck- hope this works for Brook.

Just a question out of curiosity- has he ever been on any of the SSRI's

(prozac, paxil, luvox, zoloft- and I think a few more) to help him with

his water obsession? Ben has several moderately occurring obsessions,

which have been at least toned down by SSRI's, not completely helped. But

it's always hard when he goes off of them to see more perseveration and

more obsessive/compulsive things. Lately he has been taking computers

apart- wants to lift the monitor off the table, unplug the main computer,

mess with the printer. He can no longer be left unspervised for a minute

with a computer. He also has to stick his finger in ketchup and wave it

around, remove heating registers, and other weird things. I was

remembering you saying that Brook has a major problem with water. Just

curious what the doctor has said (if anything) about that.

Beth Mum to Ben, age 11

> Beth,

> This is very interesting. I'll consider lowering the dose if things don't

> work out well. What different strength tablets does Risperdal come in? Would

> it be any easier to use the liquid? So Beth, you are cutting the .5 mg

> tablets into quarters, at .125 per quarter, if I understand you correctly.

> This reminds me of when Brook was on Depakote for seizures when he was a

> baby. We were splitting the 125 mg capsules into 8ths at one point. Brook's

> seizures had stopped temporarily and then as we increased his dose he

>started

> having more seizures. I wanted to lower the dose and his neurologist wanted

> to raise the dose. It was a nightmare. At one point I had my husband,

>,

> who is a biochemist weigh out the granules at work on one of their ultra

> accurate scales. We finally got the seizures under control but he seemed to

> be having a really strange relationship to the doses and his seizure

>control.

> Thank you for all of the very valuable information.

> Marisa

[Guest guest]

Marisa,

That is exactly what we did, cut the .5 mg tabs into 1/4's. These are

tablets; I don't know if risperdal comes in liquid form. We have used

liquid suspensions for the prozac and paxil because we were giving him less

than .5 ml and it was more accurate to count out drops of it. Your

experience with the Depakote sounds exactly what we have gone through with

the Prozac dosing.

I was trying to remember a term- paradoxical, I think it is, when a

medication responds in the opposite way which it was intended. For some of

our kids, whose systems can be a big old question mark anyway, minute

amounts CAN have a good effect. I think it is amazing that you saw better

seizure control with lower doses, not higher!

Good luck- hope this works for Brook.

Just a question out of curiosity- has he ever been on any of the SSRI's

(prozac, paxil, luvox, zoloft- and I think a few more) to help him with

his water obsession? Ben has several moderately occurring obsessions,

which have been at least toned down by SSRI's, not completely helped. But

it's always hard when he goes off of them to see more perseveration and

more obsessive/compulsive things. Lately he has been taking computers

apart- wants to lift the monitor off the table, unplug the main computer,

mess with the printer. He can no longer be left unspervised for a minute

with a computer. He also has to stick his finger in ketchup and wave it

around, remove heating registers, and other weird things. I was

remembering you saying that Brook has a major problem with water. Just

curious what the doctor has said (if anything) about that.

Beth Mum to Ben, age 11

> Beth,

> This is very interesting. I'll consider lowering the dose if things don't

> work out well. What different strength tablets does Risperdal come in? Would

> it be any easier to use the liquid? So Beth, you are cutting the .5 mg

> tablets into quarters, at .125 per quarter, if I understand you correctly.

> This reminds me of when Brook was on Depakote for seizures when he was a

> baby. We were splitting the 125 mg capsules into 8ths at one point. Brook's

> seizures had stopped temporarily and then as we increased his dose he

>started

> having more seizures. I wanted to lower the dose and his neurologist wanted

> to raise the dose. It was a nightmare. At one point I had my husband,

>,

> who is a biochemist weigh out the granules at work on one of their ultra

> accurate scales. We finally got the seizures under control but he seemed to

> be having a really strange relationship to the doses and his seizure

>control.

> Thank you for all of the very valuable information.

> Marisa

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/25/02 10:59:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

charlie1622@... writes:

> Everyone is so hyper-sensitive about this whole drug thing. Maybe it is all

> the college kids using the pain killers for recreational purposes

I hate to be the devils advocate here...but I do understand why doctors have

to be so careful about prescribing addictive type drugs. One, it is for our

own protection. None of us want to be over or under medicated. Two, many

doctors are being incarcerated and having their licensing terminated because

of the investigations going on with the newer, more addictive type drugs. It

is a sad fact that because a few people who abuse this treatment, make it

necessary for these kind hearted doctors to be extra careful making sure that

they and their patients are protected. If someone starts to abuse drugs (and

I am not saying that anyone on this list is because we all are sincere in

trying to treat our pain) it is not only the addict that will have trouble

with the law, it is also the prescribing physician and the pharmacy that

fills the prescription that would suffer from the abuse. I believe it is okay

for doctors to ask for a second opinion...just like we should do so if there

is a question on any treatment form. Ray, it may be that your doctor really

did want a consult because he wanted to double check his choice of drugs for

you. Do you think this maybe why he wanted a consult with another pain

doctor, not just that he was concerned about an abuse problem? (I think you

mentioned that this anesthesiologist was not previously used to treating pain

patients.) I wouldn't fret over this...now you have two good doctors that are

watching out for you.

Best regards, Connie (granny)

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Connie. Isn't life fun! Three years with no problems.

I run out of one medication because it is on a different schedule

than the other medications. As I have been instructed, I inform the

doctor's office. No one responds. I make due. Then I am punished

for it.

So this is the way life is going to be. The specialist informed me

that no pills will be replaced no matter if they are stolen, lost,

dropped down the sink, etc. Then they warn you that if you don't

take your meds you may go into withdrawal and they will hospitalize

you in a drug abuse ward. I understand the reasoning on their

part, and I understand that there are many people who do abuse the

drugs and misuse the system. But I do not like that my integrety,

my honesty, has been called into question because a nurse failed to

do her job and report my contact to my doctor, not once but for

several days, and did the same thing again when I called the second

time. It is not fair. But, the alternative is to live without the

pain meds, which I don't know if I could or would. Harsh words. I

know.

The pain scales are 1-10. 0 being the absence of any pain. 10

being the worst pain imaginable...suicide level. I've rated my

pain at a 9+ before, but a 10 will only happen if I am making plans

for suicide. I used to be unsympathetic with those who chose

suicide to get out of their problems. I'm more sympathetic with

their decision now. Given my religious backround and upbringing

that will probably never be an " option " for me, but I do understand

the feeling of thinking it the only way to get away from the pain.

In the world of narcotic pain relief, the patient is instructed

that their will be times when the pain is excruiciating and that

nothing will be done to help you, i.e., no more medications will be

given in addition to those you are currently taking. Excruciating

pain is not a reason for a trip to the hospital emergency room.

High levels of pain will not get your next appointment with the

doctor moved up.

I truly do " intellectually " understand such restrictions and rules,

but there should be a better way, than for those of us who have to

take opioid pain relievers to feel put down by our doctors and

other medical staff, as well as by society, family, and friends,

who all think of us as drug addicts rather than people who are

truly in pain and need medical assistance.

I'm downright angry. It will change nothing about my situation.

I just called my local pain clinic doctor's office. Spoke to the

" problem " nurse to remind her that my prescriptions are up for

renewal by Friday (when the doctor leaves for a ten day vacation).

She said, " Didn't they give you prescriptions at the pain

specialist? " I told her no, it was only a consult. The specialist

was not going to take me on as a regular patient. He was only

seeing me to assist the local doctor in more appropriately

prescribing for my current needs. So, we'll see. Will the doctor

call? Will I get an appointment? Will he leave with no

prescriptions left for me? Will I be hospitalized for withdrawal?

Stay tuned to this channel for the next exciting installment in the

life of Ray.

Ray

[Guest guest]

Connie (Granny),

No, he runs a pain clinic between out patient surgeries with his

anestethsiologist partners. I am on only 20 mg of oxycontin twice

a day. I believe he wanted the consult because of the withdrawal

situation that developed, because my wife is a peer, and because he

really did think I was abusing the medications, i.e., taking too

much.

Ray

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri

I read your email, regarding your daughter.

Even I have a daughter who is 6 yr old and aurtistic. She is also very hyper,

however we have not given her any medications for reduing her hyper activity.

We are doing ABA on her for 20 hrs a week, and also we are trying to teach her

how to play with her bicycle and other play things.

She is now responding to that veer well, and she sleeps soundly at nights, maybe

once or twice in a week she gets up early morng and wants to see some TV.

Try and see what she likes, and then proceed with that,u can surely reduce her

hyper activity without giving her and medications.

FYI, in India, we have Homeopathy doctors who are able to treat autistic

childrens.

I have been giving my daughter homeopathy medicines since July 2001, and I have

seen considerable improvement in her.

If you need any help from my side please let me know, I will surely help.

Best regards.

Shahzad

medications

Hi Everyone,

I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me. I

have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

autistic and extremely hyper! We cannot get her to do anything but

run wild. She is taking Clonidine for her hyperactivity but it only

knocks her out and she sleeps for 2 or more hrs. We give her half a

pill at lunch time and a whole pill at bedtime(If we didn't give her

one at bedtime we would not get any sleep). Anyone have a child that

is extremely hyper all the time? What kind of meds have you tried? I

feel like Clondine is not calming her while she is awake. Going back

to the Neurologists soon. Just wandered if anyone could help.

We have no lamps or anything breakable around, because Caitlin has

broken everything, she is even starting on the pictures on the walls!!

We have just put a piece of plexiglass in front of our TV on the

entertainment center because Caitlin pulled it over on her. Luckily

we weren't far from her when it happened, my husband almost broke his

back leaping to stop it from crushing her. It's a 32 " TV by the way!

We are so wanting her to learn and to be able to calm down just

enough so she can focus on her task and learn. She is in an autistic

classroom her in NC under the TEACCH method and is not learning a

thing. If anyone can shed some light on what might be working for

your child please let me know. Thanks in advance.

Sherri

[Guest guest]

I know several people whose children calmed after eliminated dairy

from their diet. I'm not talking the full-blown gfcf diet, but they

simply took dairy out and said the children all calmed within days.

HTH,

Debi

> Hi Everyone,

> I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me. I

> have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

> autistic and extremely hyper!

[Guest guest]

YOu could evaluate her diet, milk may or may not be the culprit, other

things may. ALso evaluate her activities, is she always hyper? or only at

certain times or in certain circumstances. It might not hurt to keep some

sort of a journal on diet and behavior to see if you identify any

connections.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sherri, have you tried putting your child on a gluten and casein free

diet? i know it sounds daunting but really its not that bad. I saw changes

in my girl within 48 hours and she is much more receptive to everything

including learning. Its definetely worth a try, if changing the diet can

change her tendencies wouldnt that be great? Go to

www.GFCFdiet.com and all the info you need is there. Wishing you luck.

medications

> Hi Everyone,

> I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me. I

> have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

> autistic and extremely hyper! We cannot get her to do anything but

> run wild. She is taking Clonidine for her hyperactivity but it only

> knocks her out and she sleeps for 2 or more hrs. We give her half a

> pill at lunch time and a whole pill at bedtime(If we didn't give her

> one at bedtime we would not get any sleep). Anyone have a child that

> is extremely hyper all the time? What kind of meds have you tried? I

> feel like Clondine is not calming her while she is awake. Going back

> to the Neurologists soon. Just wandered if anyone could help.

> We have no lamps or anything breakable around, because Caitlin has

> broken everything, she is even starting on the pictures on the walls!!

> We have just put a piece of plexiglass in front of our TV on the

> entertainment center because Caitlin pulled it over on her. Luckily

> we weren't far from her when it happened, my husband almost broke his

> back leaping to stop it from crushing her. It's a 32 " TV by the way!

> We are so wanting her to learn and to be able to calm down just

> enough so she can focus on her task and learn. She is in an autistic

> classroom her in NC under the TEACCH method and is not learning a

> thing. If anyone can shed some light on what might be working for

> your child please let me know. Thanks in advance.

> Sherri

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Man that would be hard for me.........Hannah hardly eats anything as it

is, and dairy is the one thing she will eat, loves her milk and

cheese..........oh well, Cheryl S

Re: medications

I know several people whose children calmed after eliminated dairy

from their diet. I'm not talking the full-blown gfcf diet, but they

simply took dairy out and said the children all calmed within days.

HTH,

Debi

> Hi Everyone,

> I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me. I

> have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

> autistic and extremely hyper!

[Guest guest]

- -- In Autism_in_Girls , " " <edanav@i...> wrote:

> Hi Sherri, have you tried putting your child on a gluten and casein

free

> diet? i know it sounds daunting but really its not that bad. I saw

changes

> in my girl within 48 hours and she is much more receptive to

everything

> including learning. Its definetely worth a try, if changing the

diet can

> change her tendencies wouldnt that be great? Go to

> www.GFCFdiet.com and all the info you need is there. Wishing you

luck.

> medications

>

>

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me.

I

> > have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

> > autistic and extremely hyper! We cannot get her to do anything but

> > run wild. She is taking Clonidine for her hyperactivity but it

only

> > knocks her out and she sleeps for 2 or more hrs. We give her half

a

> > pill at lunch time and a whole pill at bedtime(If we didn't give

her

> > one at bedtime we would not get any sleep). Anyone have a child

that

> > is extremely hyper all the time? What kind of meds have you

tried? I

> > feel like Clondine is not calming her while she is awake. Going

back

> > to the Neurologists soon. Just wandered if anyone could help.

> > We have no lamps or anything breakable around, because Caitlin has

> > broken everything, she is even starting on the pictures on the

walls!!

> > We have just put a piece of plexiglass in front of our TV on the

> > entertainment center because Caitlin pulled it over on her.

Luckily

> > we weren't far from her when it happened, my husband almost broke

his

> > back leaping to stop it from crushing her. It's a 32 " TV by the

way!

> > We are so wanting her to learn and to be able to calm down just

> > enough so she can focus on her task and learn. She is in an

autistic

> > classroom her in NC under the TEACCH method and is not learning a

> > thing. If anyone can shed some light on what might be working for

> > your child please let me know. Thanks in advance.

> > Sherri

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sherri,

Have you tried diet to change her behavior. was also very hyper

when she was 2-4 years old (she even chewed on window sills when she

couldn't tip over lamps, etc.). We put her on a gluten/casien diet and saw

an immediate change. She was much calmer and more focused -- more ready to

interact with us and others. We also had her blood tested for other

allergies and she came up positive for 20 more! Once we eliminated those,

she slept thru the night, her language increased dramatically, and although

she's still high enery she does sit in school when she's supposed to.

Just a thought...

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Autism_in_Girls

Hi Everyone,

I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me. I

have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

autistic and extremely hyper! We cannot get her to do anything but

run wild. She is taking Clonidine for her hyperactivity but it only

knocks her out and she sleeps for 2 or more hrs. We give her half a

pill at lunch time and a whole pill at bedtime(If we didn't give her

one at bedtime we would not get any sleep). Anyone have a child that

is extremely hyper all the time? What kind of meds have you tried? I

feel like Clondine is not calming her while she is awake. Going back

to the Neurologists soon. Just wandered if anyone could help.

We have no lamps or anything breakable around, because Caitlin has

broken everything, she is even starting on the pictures on the walls!!

We have just put a piece of plexiglass in front of our TV on the

entertainment center because Caitlin pulled it over on her. Luckily

we weren't far from her when it happened, my husband almost broke his

back leaping to stop it from crushing her. It's a 32 " TV by the way!

We are so wanting her to learn and to be able to calm down just

enough so she can focus on her task and learn. She is in an autistic

classroom her in NC under the TEACCH method and is not learning a

thing. If anyone can shed some light on what might be working for

your child please let me know. Thanks in advance.

Sherri

[Guest guest]

When I decided to try Paxil with Allie I asked her pediatric

neurologist about it, and he gave me a scrip. But, I did prior

research and saw that he prescribed the regular adult dosage. Just

make sure you know what the appropriate child dosage is, I've learned

to never trust a physician, lol.

Debi

> So to work out what medications etc, who do you ladies go too, a

> paedtrician???,

[Guest guest]

When I decided to try Paxil with Allie I asked her pediatric

neurologist about it, and he gave me a scrip. But, I did prior

research and saw that he prescribed the regular adult dosage. Just

make sure you know what the appropriate child dosage is, I've learned

to never trust a physician, lol.

Debi

> So to work out what medications etc, who do you ladies go too, a

> paedtrician???,

[Guest guest]

Consuming lots of dairy is actually a cue that the dairy could be

negatively affecting. It's compared to a drug addict taking heroine.

They keep taking it to keep their fix, and with autistics affected by

the diet they have to keep eating the offending foods to get the fix.

It's similar with gluten. Researchers know this because they find

compounds in the blood stream almost identical to morphine, and it

disappears when the diary/wheat is no longer consumed.

But, the decision of whether to try it or not is a personal one, so

please know I'm mentioning strictly for info, not to tell you what to

do!

Debi

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I was hoping someone out there could help shed some light for me.

I

> > have a daughter Caitlin who just turned 4 in Dec. She is severely

> > autistic and extremely hyper!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are blood tests for food allergies, HOWEVER, just because you are

not allergic to something does not mean you don't have an intolerance for

it. I think I mentioned digestive enzymes before. Alot of people in my

other groups swear by them and they seem to be easier and less expensive

than the diet. If you're interested in learning more then let me know

and I will send you info and point you in the right direction.

[Guest guest]

well, if you're not willing to try the diet, and I soooo don't blame you,

then maybe you should look into enzymes as well. No big deal to give

them, just open the capsule, mix in a drink and you're done. You do this

for every meal and snack. I truly believe autism is biological and

eating habits need to be changed if change is needed.

[Guest guest]

So these enzymes means you don’t have to actually diet??? Give us a

brief outline when you have the time,if you don’t mind.............much

appreciated. Cheryl S

Re: Re: medications

There are blood tests for food allergies, HOWEVER, just because you are

not allergic to something does not mean you don't have an intolerance

for it. I think I mentioned digestive enzymes before. Alot of people

in my other groups swear by them and they seem to be easier and less

expensive than the diet. If you're interested in learning more then let

me know and I will send you info and point you in the right direction.

[Guest guest]

Abby did that for a couple of years Cheryl. It does get better. NIow Abby

just corrects me if I miss a word when I am reading to her. The better her

speech got, the less frustration she had.

Pennie

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

To answer your question...NO! In fact there are a lot of

medications that might have a " warning " of " be

careful while operating machinery, as this medication

could make you dizzy. "

What size dose of pain meds are we talking here?????

Not " legal? " I'm going to ask at the " cop shop. "

Norman's pain should let up soon. My knee pained

for about 6 weeks. The first two were the worst, and

it got less and less right along.

I interestingly await others comments.

Your friend across the state line in Wisconsin

~~tricia~~

-- Medications

Yesterday I took Norman to his Dr. Appt. One month check up from his knee

surgery. I asked the Dr. when would Norman be able to drive and he replied,

" not until he is off his pain medication. Driving while on pain medication

is like drinking and driving " . I was like " wait a minute " ! I'm on a lot

more and much stronger pain medicine than he is and I have to drive back and

forth to work everyday, and the Dr. said, well it's not legal. So my

question to you all is have any of you been put on driving restrictions

because of pain medication?

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