Guest guest Posted May 21, 2001 Report Share Posted May 21, 2001 Initially she did not come out with any advice. I was in for a massage and we were talking about the kids and when I mentioned they had both been sick after the vax she didn't seem suprised, and asked how they were now, did I have any concerns for them, IF I decided to get more vax done to make sure I seen her first, and that vax are " scary shit " and to consider alternatives. I was in a kind of doze at the time and don't really remember all the conversation, just enough to make me think. > welcome - > What did the natropath say to you? Glad you are here. You will > learn a lot. Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Britt, Sorry to hear about your daughter's allergies. First, unless you transmit your attitude about homeopathy to your daughter, it should not affect the ability of homeopathy to work for her. I also highly recommend NAET. Go to www.naet.com to learn about it. It CURED some very serious allergies I had (all the ones I have so far worked on), and is supposed to work particularly well with asthma. Be sure to find a qualified naet practitioner if you decide to do it. There is information on the site to help you with that. Dr. Ellen Cutler (books: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-6109298-1289452) used to do naet's and wrote about it in her immune system book(s). She has apparently added to her protocol (I assume she still does them) in her newest book with one of the blurb writers on the back our own Dr. Sherri Tenpenny! Sandy from Alaska ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Intro Hi there. I've been lurking for a few weeks now so I thought I should introduce myself. My name is Britt and I am the mother of a 4 year old partially vaccinated girl (stopped after 15 months) and 2 year old boy/girl twins who are totally vaccine free. Right now I have a struggle on my hands, so I thought I would ask if any of you had any suggestions. My youngest daughter (the 2 year old unvaccinated one) has horrible environmental allergies and asthma. Of course these are things I thought she wouldn't get because I didn't vaccinate, but turns out that family history played a bigger part. In any case, I was wondering if any of you have any experience with unvaccinated asthmatic children and what do you do. We finally had to break down and start her on inhaled steroids because every time she got sick she couldn't breathe and/or got pneumonia (several times I sat up at night just watching her struggle for air -- it was very scary). Since she's been on the steroids she hasn't had one coughing episode that required me to use a rescue inhaler (compared to almost daily and sometimes twice per night before). It was recommended to me that she get the CP vax because CP can cause severe breathing problems in kids with asthma and on steroids. Any suggestions? I'm interested in starting with the herbal stuff at some point, but I must admit that I have been sufficiently brainwashed by the medical establishment and have little faith in homeopathic remedies (which I think is partially required in order to work as I think psychology plays a huge part in recovery). I've contacted Sheri Nakken in the past and she had some book recommendations so I'll probably get one at some point, but until I feel confident that the remedies will work I feel it will probably be a waste of money. Also, how do you get your kids to take vitamin C? Is there a liquid form or something? I have tons of questions, but I'm sure I've given you all enough to digest Thanks for any imput you can provide. Britt, SAHM to (4) and Alison and Casey (2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 >I'm interested in starting with the herbal stuff at some point, but I must >admit that I have been sufficiently brainwashed by the medical establishment >and have little faith in homeopathic remedies (which I think is partially >required in order to work as I think psychology plays a huge part in >recovery). Homeopathy works whether you believe in it while taking it or not. Babies and animals don't believe either way. I've contacted Sheri Nakken in the past and she had some book >recommendations so I'll probably get one at some point, but until I feel >confident that the remedies will work I feel it will probably be a waste of >money. Don't be so sure. Also, how do you get your kids to take vitamin C? Is there a liquid >form or something? Powdered sodium ascorbate in juice or water http://www.iherb.com What city/state do you live in. Sheri ( who is an RN with an MA and was very brainwashed by medical establishment until she woke up and also was cured of migraines with homeopathy after only 2 months and had tried everything else that I also believed in and they didn't work) -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 04/26/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 PS - the steroids will wreck havoc on your child! Find a wonderful homeopath NOW before you get in a hole you can't get out of. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm Sheri moderator -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 04/26/2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Thanks Sandy for your response. I checked out the website you suggested. There is an acupuncturist in my town that was listed on the site and I sent her an e-mail -- we'll see what she has to say about it. The problem with my daughter is we aren't exactly sure what she is allergic to. Traditional testing won't show anything at this age (not reliable before age 4) so it's a guessing game. Her asthma is also exercise induced so I don't know how they would address that. Is there such a thing as an allergy to exercise? (I often tell my husband I am - LOL.) I'll be curious to hear what she says. Sheri - I told you in the past that I live in Kelso, WA. On the site you gave me, the closest person listed was in Vancouver, WA (a 45-60 minute drive) and they were an ND, not a trained homeopath. What are your feelings on this? I am reluctant to drive all that way with my daughter (who HATES riding in the car) to spend a lot of money which I don't have. I know for most people insurance is expensive, so homeopathy ends up being less so. Well, for me, insurance is free and dr. visits and drugs are $5 co-pay. I am POOR (when my free trial on aol runs out I'm not sure if I can even afford to be " connected " ) so buying a bunch of remedies, books, making uncovered visits, etc. is difficult for me. Also, do you have any kids yourself, Sheri? I don't know if I've ever heard...I ask because I know it's very easy to be cavalier about using certain things (steroids, in this case) when you either 1) don't have kids or 2) have never been in the same situation with the child you do have. I know before my daughter had asthma and I had to watch her struggle for life (three times now) I could easily say, " They should do such and such... " whether it was regarding illness, vaccines...whatever. Now I can't do that. I HATE that she is on these things, however, they have been amazing. In two weeks we have not had ONE ashtma attack. Before she would not be able to sleep through the night, she would not be able to run and play (and that is sad to tell a little girl they have to stop playing and sit down), and she would often cough until she threw up. You said the steroids can be very bad for her...what will they do? I've read a little, but don't have much free time The biggest thing I can see is that they lower the immune system. What else? You know, I have always had a weird feeling about Ali's asthma. It started at around 18 months when she had a cold -- the coughing just never stopped and eventually progressed to what it is today. Sometimes I wonder if it is some sort of chronic illness that she just never cleared out or something since it started right after she was sick (just like my other two at the time, only they recovered normally). Does this ever happen? If so, what do you do? How would you explain it getting so severe so rapidly? I'm genuinely curious about this stuff. I hope you don't take anything I've said the wrong way...I am just a mom searching for answers. I never thought I would have to worry about this crap. Thanks for any help or wisdom you can provide Britt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/01 10:33:52 PM GTB Daylight Time, brittgower@... writes: << Traditional testing won't show anything at this age (not reliable before age 4) so it's a guessing game. >> Does blood testing work better? Welcome to the list Oh and the Smart Medicine(adult version) book by ZAND has suggestions for treatment of CP in adults.They are similar to the ones for children. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Sara -- I'm not sure if blood testing works better. I assume that it probably does, but it's not covered by insurance. I would have to spring for the couple hundred out of pocket for it. I've done the skin prick one three times myself (70 pricks each time -- a whole different story in itself - LOL) and I would NEVER put any of my kiddos through that. A friend of mine who has a three year old said that her doctor wasn't even sure if the blood test would be accurate at 3...so I guess I'm just not sure either I'm writing down the various books you all refer to then I'll have to go shopping one of these days Thanks for your suggestion! Britt > In a message dated 6/24/01 10:33:52 PM GTB Daylight Time, brittgower@a... > writes: > > << Traditional testing won't show anything at > this age (not reliable before age 4) so it's a guessing game. >> > Does blood testing work better? Welcome to the list > Oh and the Smart Medicine(adult version) book by ZAND has suggestions for > treatment of CP in adults.They are similar to the ones for children. > > Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 Britt, The beauty of the system (naet) is you don't have to know. They use muscle testing to figure it out - although of course you have to test for specifics and at the beginning might miss something important. I believe there may be a way they could address the fact that it is exercise induced, although I am not sure about that. Let me know what the acupunturist says - I'd love to hear. Hope it helps! Sandy from Alaska ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Intro Thanks Sandy for your response. I checked out the website you suggested. There is an acupuncturist in my town that was listed on the site and I sent her an e-mail -- we'll see what she has to say about it. The problem with my daughter is we aren't exactly sure what she is allergic to. Traditional testing won't show anything at this age (not reliable before age 4) so it's a guessing game. Her asthma is also exercise induced so I don't know how they would address that. Is there such a thing as an allergy to exercise? (I often tell my husband I am - LOL.) I'll be curious to hear what she says. Sheri - I told you in the past that I live in Kelso, WA. On the site you gave me, the closest person listed was in Vancouver, WA (a 45-60 minute drive) and they were an ND, not a trained homeopath. What are your feelings on this? I am reluctant to drive all that way with my daughter (who HATES riding in the car) to spend a lot of money which I don't have. I know for most people insurance is expensive, so homeopathy ends up being less so. Well, for me, insurance is free and dr. visits and drugs are $5 co-pay. I am POOR (when my free trial on aol runs out I'm not sure if I can even afford to be " connected " ) so buying a bunch of remedies, books, making uncovered visits, etc. is difficult for me. Also, do you have any kids yourself, Sheri? I don't know if I've ever heard...I ask because I know it's very easy to be cavalier about using certain things (steroids, in this case) when you either 1) don't have kids or 2) have never been in the same situation with the child you do have. I know before my daughter had asthma and I had to watch her struggle for life (three times now) I could easily say, " They should do such and such... " whether it was regarding illness, vaccines...whatever. Now I can't do that. I HATE that she is on these things, however, they have been amazing. In two weeks we have not had ONE ashtma attack. Before she would not be able to sleep through the night, she would not be able to run and play (and that is sad to tell a little girl they have to stop playing and sit down), and she would often cough until she threw up. You said the steroids can be very bad for her...what will they do? I've read a little, but don't have much free time The biggest thing I can see is that they lower the immune system. What else? You know, I have always had a weird feeling about Ali's asthma. It started at around 18 months when she had a cold -- the coughing just never stopped and eventually progressed to what it is today. Sometimes I wonder if it is some sort of chronic illness that she just never cleared out or something since it started right after she was sick (just like my other two at the time, only they recovered normally). Does this ever happen? If so, what do you do? How would you explain it getting so severe so rapidly? I'm genuinely curious about this stuff. I hope you don't take anything I've said the wrong way...I am just a mom searching for answers. I never thought I would have to worry about this crap. Thanks for any help or wisdom you can provide Britt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Hi Joe I am the mother of Nina, age 2 with ds. I don't know much about your state laws, but just wondering about the situation with the zoo. Do you have an IEP? Does your school provide aides for situations where an extra helper is needed? , mom to Katy, Jeff & Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Hi Joe I am the mother of Nina, age 2 with ds. I don't know much about your state laws, but just wondering about the situation with the zoo. Do you have an IEP? Does your school provide aides for situations where an extra helper is needed? , mom to Katy, Jeff & Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Welcome back Joe! I don't forget my AOLers from the old days! I was shocked to read how old Janette is now. Where did time go? Sounds like your daughter has control of the teacher (and quickly, too!). Does Janette not have an assistant? About that field trip, by asking you to take off work, then your daughter is not getting a Free and Appropriate Education. I remember what you do for a living and I would ask that they reimburse you for lost wages...lol!!! I'd have it written into the IEP that Janette will attend all field trips in the company of an assistant provided by the school. Otherwise, they are blantently discriminating against her. About the aftercare program, they may be private, but are they licensed? Do they not receive any funding from social services (that often pays for daycare for welfare to work clients)? The afterschool is on school property, how can the school sign a contract with the agency if they can discriminate? It's not surprising that they called you immediately and want to resolve this issue. Good one! Now about playing hardball or kissing ass....I'm a firm believer in advocating and not fighting. Sometimes it's hard because there are so many emotions over your little one. I'd be quick and firm, but then smile and do a little KA. Compliment them on any positives. They like that.....lol. Use alot of humor, too! You need to write a letter asking for a new IEP. If her placement isn't working out, then they must try supports first before doing anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 Welcome back Joe! I don't forget my AOLers from the old days! I was shocked to read how old Janette is now. Where did time go? Sounds like your daughter has control of the teacher (and quickly, too!). Does Janette not have an assistant? About that field trip, by asking you to take off work, then your daughter is not getting a Free and Appropriate Education. I remember what you do for a living and I would ask that they reimburse you for lost wages...lol!!! I'd have it written into the IEP that Janette will attend all field trips in the company of an assistant provided by the school. Otherwise, they are blantently discriminating against her. About the aftercare program, they may be private, but are they licensed? Do they not receive any funding from social services (that often pays for daycare for welfare to work clients)? The afterschool is on school property, how can the school sign a contract with the agency if they can discriminate? It's not surprising that they called you immediately and want to resolve this issue. Good one! Now about playing hardball or kissing ass....I'm a firm believer in advocating and not fighting. Sometimes it's hard because there are so many emotions over your little one. I'd be quick and firm, but then smile and do a little KA. Compliment them on any positives. They like that.....lol. Use alot of humor, too! You need to write a letter asking for a new IEP. If her placement isn't working out, then they must try supports first before doing anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 <<I'm sure some of you will understand these issues. >> Oh, yeah, still seeing it and Jess is 12! 1) If she needs extra supervision to go on field trips, then the school needs to provide an aide/paraprofessional and that needs to be on the IEP. FAPE isn't free if parents have to take off work to provide that support. 2) Jess and Janette must be soul sisters--Jess has been the bane of the teachers' existence for the past couple of years because she usually says " NO " too! For Jess, it seems to be either filler while she thinks about it or an honest expression of her feelings about the request. Often as not, she goes right ahead and does what is asked, but the saying no part bugs adults. When she doesn't, it usually has to do with getting appropriate support, including the request being made simply and without overmuch verbage or noise to make it hard for her to understand what's wanted. If the teachers think there's a problem, they need to do an FBA to look at supports and environment WAY before they talk about changing placement. 3) If the afterschool program is in the schools cafeteria, then it probably has to be accessible--not sure on that one, but the company is running it out of the school and the school definitely has to be. Again, you could write it into IEP as extracurricular or maybe ESD (for social skills and communication skills) and but a para there too. This sounds like discrimination to me too. How are they handling during the two week ultimatum timeframe? Judi Oh, btw, welcome! ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2001 Report Share Posted August 15, 2001 <<I'm sure some of you will understand these issues. >> Oh, yeah, still seeing it and Jess is 12! 1) If she needs extra supervision to go on field trips, then the school needs to provide an aide/paraprofessional and that needs to be on the IEP. FAPE isn't free if parents have to take off work to provide that support. 2) Jess and Janette must be soul sisters--Jess has been the bane of the teachers' existence for the past couple of years because she usually says " NO " too! For Jess, it seems to be either filler while she thinks about it or an honest expression of her feelings about the request. Often as not, she goes right ahead and does what is asked, but the saying no part bugs adults. When she doesn't, it usually has to do with getting appropriate support, including the request being made simply and without overmuch verbage or noise to make it hard for her to understand what's wanted. If the teachers think there's a problem, they need to do an FBA to look at supports and environment WAY before they talk about changing placement. 3) If the afterschool program is in the schools cafeteria, then it probably has to be accessible--not sure on that one, but the company is running it out of the school and the school definitely has to be. Again, you could write it into IEP as extracurricular or maybe ESD (for social skills and communication skills) and but a para there too. This sounds like discrimination to me too. How are they handling during the two week ultimatum timeframe? Judi Oh, btw, welcome! ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Hi Liz, It wasn`t me next door but probably one of my husband`s relatives. He came from a family of 12 and most of them live aroun here. Do you think maybe it`s time to clean the gene pool? haha. Where in Geneseo are you? I sell my soaps at Touch Of Grayce. I just love Geneseo it`s such a beautiful town. Peggy Re: intro > Hi Peggy! > > I'm Lizz from Livonia. I lived on Jane Street in Caledonia for a few years. > Did your family live next door? > > I've been in the soapin' business since 1995 and just opened a shop in > Geneseo. Welcome to our group! > > Please let me know if there is anything I can help you with! > Lizz Savard > > > Our members map > http://.homestead.com/locations.html > > Our Message Board > http://www.voy.com/21568/ > > Check out these great Molds!! > http://soapwerks.com/martinworld.htm > > > All posts to this list are copyrighted by post author. They may NOT be forwarded, copied, or used in anyway without the permission of the post author with the exception of answering posts to this list. Posts are personal opinions only. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Hi Peggy! We're Thimbleberry Hill Studios at 120..... across from Conrad's and the village offices. You're in Touch of Grayce! Great looking soaps! Kim on this list is in Painted Garden. We've got Geneseo covered! Lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Lizz, Next time I`m in Geneseo I`ll stop in. I`ll also stop ar Painted Garden and check out Kim`s soap. Peggy Re: intro > Hi Peggy! > > We're Thimbleberry Hill Studios at 120..... across from Conrad's and the > village offices. You're in Touch of Grayce! Great looking soaps! Kim on > this list is in Painted Garden. We've got Geneseo covered! > > Lizz > > > Our members map > http://.homestead.com/locations.html > > Our Message Board > http://www.voy.com/21568/ > > Check out these great Molds!! > http://soapwerks.com/martinworld.htm > > > All posts to this list are copyrighted by post author. They may NOT be forwarded, copied, or used in anyway without the permission of the post author with the exception of answering posts to this list. Posts are personal opinions only. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 Re: intro ..Does anyone on on this list know where I can buy lotion base in the area? Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Welcome LuvMyFam! Are you the same LuvMyFamily from ParentsPlace? What you experienced with your pediatricians is quite common. Many of them are trying the strategy of refusing to accept non or selective vax clients in the hopes of intimidating parents into vaxxing. Also, it keeps their vaxxed clientele percentage high. This is necessary because they get a higher what I call " kickback " . Anyway, here is my standard post for locating more open-minded docs. First of all, lemme state my mantra, " Remember, naturopaths are pediatricians too! " Okay, now that that is done, you can contact Mothering Magazine. They have a database of doctors who have been recommended by their readers as being either alternative or open-minded. You can also ask at your local health food stores for recommendations. (That's how I found an alternative Internal Medicine MD) Also, you can ask for recommendations from direct entry midwives. Don't know that I would set much stock in any recommendations from a CNM because they tend to be more medically oriented. Just gotta know your CNM's beliefs and practices. And now on to the websites where you can search for docs: <A HREF= " http://www.acam.org/ " >http://www.acam.org/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.naturopathic.org/ " >http://www.naturopathic.org/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.alternativemedicine.com/ " >http://www.alternativemedicine.com/</\ A> <A HREF= " http://www.alternative-medicine-and-health.com/ " >http://www.alternative-me\ dicine-and-health.com/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.healthy.net/ " >http://www.healthy.net/</A> <A HREF= " http://www.healthmall.com/ " >http://www.healthmall.com/</A> Kathleen In a message dated 9/4/2001 9:32:31 PM Central Daylight Time, luvmyfam77@... writes: > I am a sahm to 3 children ages 3, 2 and 3 weeks. Unfortunately my first > child has had pretty much all the vaccinations but I when my second came > along I decided to research them for myself. We have decided to delay the > MMR and Hep B(indefinitly at this point) and will do the same for my > youngest. Our pediatrician was very supporting with our decision but when > my > 2nd child had to be hospitalized the dr.s there made us feel like we were > commiting child abuse because she hadn't had the Hep B vaccine. I decided > to > switch peds when my 3rd came along because now with 3 kids 3 and under the > drive to our old ped was just too much. What a mistake that was. We > arrived > for our appointments(2 year c/u and 2 week c/u) only to have a heated > debate > with the new ped and then we were told that due to our unwillingness to > follow the physicians recommendations to immunize our children she would no > longer be able to serve as our children's pediatrician. I was fuming mad. > So needless to say that same day I switched back to our old ped. I guess I > will have to put up with the drive because after calling around I didn't > find > another ped that would take my children if we were going to delay the > vaccinations. I am still shocked that pediatricians or dr.s in general can > discriminate like that. Anyone else run into similar problems? > Tami > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 In a message dated 9/4/01 10:51:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HolisticMomma@... writes: << Welcome LuvMyFam! Are you the same LuvMyFamily from ParentsPlace? What you experienced with your pediatricians is quite common. Many of them are trying the strategy of refusing to accept non or selective vax clients in the hopes of intimidating parents into vaxxing. Also, it keeps their vaxxed clientele percentage high. This is necessary because they get a higher what I call " kickback " . >> I try to post regularly on moms online and parent soup boards through aol but now with #3, I have no idea where all my time went! LOL I am going to search through those links you sent just to see what is out there in this area. I also forgot to mention that the new ped tried to force me with scare tactics that my 2 year old was lacking the DTaP and Hib and she needed those done now. I knew she already had those 2 done at 18months but according to the computer system she did not. It was literally a full fledge war in that room because she was trying to hard to get me to back down and let them give her the DtaP, Hib, Hep B and MMR that day. Needless to say I came home and double checked my records and even called our old ped and checked their records and sure enough I was right. She wasn't missing the DtaP or Hib. Kind of scarey that a dr would rely so heavily on a computer system when I know most of the people out there follow their peds 100% and to think my child could have been double vaccinated for the Dtap and Hib if I had not been informed or if I had backed down. So scarey! Tami Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2001 Report Share Posted September 4, 2001 Yuppers...had the same problem here, sort of. When my almost 13 month old ds had a severe reaction to his 4 month vaccinations, and we decided for certain at that point, no more vaccinating, his quack pedi refused to see us. However, at that point, we were okay with that, as we had chosen to no longer employ her services, due to issues pertaining to RJ's reaction, and how she treated us over it. To date, we no longer do well baby visits either. I can't express how thankful I am for those on this list that are such welss of information, like Sheri, Sandy, and many, many others. You will gain so much knowledge here! Welcome, and I hope to see you around for a long time to come. ~Donna...Illinois I am still shocked that pediatricians > or dr.s in general can > discriminate like that. Anyone else run into > similar problems? > Tami > Michigan > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 In a message dated 9/5/01 6:18:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: << How ludicrous - every heard of anyone thrown out of a doctor's practice if they don't quit smoking or drinking, etc. Where these doctors should go, I dare not say on this list. >> This is exactly what I was thinking because the ped made the comment a couple times that since we are not following both their recommendations and the AAP guidlines then they can't " serve " us. My 1st thought was that the AAP recommends breastfeeding so any child that is formula fed should be denied service from them, same thing with circumcision, any child that is circumcised should be denied because afterall the AAP doesn't recommend circumcision. Just a bunch of double standards I guess. Oh and I think she loved it when she made the comment that they will need these vaccines to enter school(once again another scare tactic) and then I replied that I can take an exemption for them but I am homeschooling anyways. Tami Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 At 10:30 PM 09/04/2001 EDT, you wrote: > >I am a sahm to 3 children ages 3, 2 and 3 weeks. Unfortunately my first >child has had pretty much all the vaccinations but I when my second came >along I decided to research them for myself. We have decided to delay the >MMR and Hep B(indefinitly at this point) and will do the same for my >youngest. Our pediatrician was very supporting with our decision but when my >2nd child had to be hospitalized the dr.s there made us feel like we were >commiting child abuse because she hadn't had the Hep B vaccine. I decided to >switch peds when my 3rd came along because now with 3 kids 3 and under the >drive to our old ped was just too much. What a mistake that was. We arrived >for our appointments(2 year c/u and 2 week c/u) only to have a heated debate >with the new ped and then we were told that due to our unwillingness to >follow the physicians recommendations to immunize our children she would no >longer be able to serve as our children's pediatrician. I was fuming mad. >So needless to say that same day I switched back to our old ped. I guess I >will have to put up with the drive because after calling around I didn't find >another ped that would take my children if we were going to delay the >vaccinations. I am still shocked that pediatricians or dr.s in general can >discriminate like that. Anyone else run into similar problems? >Tami Yes, sorry to say we've heard that over and over. You don't want that 'doctor' anyway. He is not a healer, he is there for the $$$$. How ludicrous - every heard of anyone thrown out of a doctor's practice if they don't quit smoking or drinking, etc. Where these doctors should go, I dare not say on this list. Many people have started to look for quality classical homeopaths for their children's care. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm welcome to the list Sheri moderator >Michigan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 Intro ... we were told that due to our unwillingness to follow the physicians recommendations to immunize our children she would no longer be able to serve as our children's pediatrician. I was fuming mad... Anyone else run into similar problems? Tami Michigan Yep! The first pediatrician we went to here in Arlington said the same thing. (I knew there would be problems, though, the moment we walked into the office. Pharmaceutical ads *everywhere*!). It's good that you do have someone who is willing to work with you, though... even if it is a longer drive Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2001 Report Share Posted September 5, 2001 Amber, I am in Woodbridge, Va. We have a Family Practice doctor that is listed on our ins as our Primary Care Physician that is located in Manassas. When I first called them and asked about the vax issue I got a receptionist who put me on hold and asked the doc. I was told that it was my choice, he wouldn't push it. We don't " routinely " go to a doctor. I only go when we need to as I think if the child is well, why take em? But my daughter decided one night to build a bridge from her bed to a dresser using a pillow. She also decided to try and cross that bridge. The pillow collapsed (of course) and on her way down she bumped the dresser cause her to have a cut on her upper lip. We took her to the ER for stitches and since it was in the facial area, they were only in for about 4 days. So I had to call our Primary doc to get them out. This doc had been listed as out PCP for 6 mos and we had never been, I figured once we got there, that is when he would ask us about all the vax stuff. Nothing was said. The doc came in, asked us how she was doing, took her history, asked dif she was up to date on her shots and we told her that we did not do vaxes as it was against our " religion " then took out the stitches. The reply to it being against our religion was " It's your choice " I know Manassas would be a bit of a drive for you, but I thought I would pass this along, in case you are looking for a doc like this. If you need more info I would be willing to swap phone numbers with you. As we are only about 20 min or so apart I thought a phone call would be nice. Let me know what you think. Dina Woodbridge, VA Re: Intro Intro ... we were told that due to our unwillingness to follow the physicians recommendations to immunize our children she would no longer be able to serve as our children's pediatrician. I was fuming mad... Anyone else run into similar problems? Tami Michigan Yep! The first pediatrician we went to here in Arlington said the same thing. (I knew there would be problems, though, the moment we walked into the office. Pharmaceutical ads *everywhere*!). It's good that you do have someone who is willing to work with you, though... even if it is a longer drive Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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