Re1: [TheRampaPath] Re: Fw: [IFDC] The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison\G??

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Hi

All religions you know are copied of Babylonian & old Egypt dogmas, worship of the sun (see the halo or the nimbus=yellow color & form of the sun around the head of all their gods, sure there were discoveries so they changes today their dogmas & pictures, but there is idols 7 old pictures cannot be denied), Judaism is a distorted of the real "Hebrew religion of Prophet Moses" & the sun worship, (see Genesis 1:16-18 & Ezekiel 8:7-18), rabbi had falsified the call of Pt Yesa (Jesus=Yesa-us) with exactly the biography of

Krishna & same "call" name Krst=Christ, same texts too... Brahma is not the older god.. Brahma & his wife Iswara were copied of Judaism: Abraham & his wife ! The oldest known Religion in life was the call of Prophet Abraham & the Babylonian of Nimrod. See the "very important" conversation between Monotheism (of Pt Abraham) & Paganism (of Nimrod:Shamess=sun), in Talmud of Jews & generous Qura'an. They existed in the same time!!! Allah, be exalted, is the only deity for Pt. Ibrahim (Abraham) & Hebrew of Samaria

& Sabiens of Pt. Yahia ( son of Zakaria) & Muslims, this is since Mesopotamia times = more than 7000 years, before all known religions of today. Allah, be exalted is the divine, alone, without trinity, nor earthy incarnations, nor avatars ...no cross, of the 33 crucified saviors of sungods........... "Just judgment" & , may be, forgiveness on Doomsday to "believers with gooood acts with no sins".

Monotheism is worship of Allah, be exalted, the eternal creator.

You will ask why He, be exalted, is the deity not as all others, what is the proof ?

Even if there were sent multiple Prophets, who say so?

Please "read & see" by pictures of texts on these 2 Links of mine, some unimaginable miracles, of cosmos & of all kind of other miracles,of 1640 years ago in generous Qura’an, proof that it cannot ever be word of man, neither even a collection of scientiests words of that time, nor of wisdoms, is complete rulers (Sharia') for humanity, the pagans of Arabia, who worshipped idols representing "Sun, moon & stars" as all the world, called Prophet Muhammad, peace unto Him, the fool:

002-1-http://www.4shared.com/file/167400839/7257b93/003-To_disbelievers____.html

002-2-http://www.4shared.com/file/231000842/569a7151/002-2-To_disbelievers___.html

Not finished, there is more of all kind of miracles discovered to day, and will be to discover, not known to Pt. Muhammad, peace unto Him, nor to His companions nor to us today...will be to discover... this continuity of miracles is the great prove... Allah, the greatest, exists. And there is a Creator.

Hope not be long with you

kinds regards

Marwan

From: <outincyberspace@...>TheRampaPath Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 5:28:22 AMSubject: [TheRampaPath] Re: Fw: [iFDC] The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison??

Hi Marwan,You seem like an intelligent human being and I hope to befriend you. You are interested in comparative religions. Dr. Rampa says this on various religions. I also tried to paste the chapter from the book "The Hermit" here where much is told about the long history of religions on this Earth. It is about page 150 in the book The Hermit. Remember Dr. Lobsang Rampa was trained for many years and lifetimes in Tibet and had a very advanced knowledge. Anyway Marwan, I do hope we can meet at some understanding as we are all searchers for truth.Sincerely, So we have Hinduism as one of the older religions, andBuddha took valuable portions of the Hindu belief and formulated what was called Buddhism, in the same way that Christ did not wander in the Wilderness at all, in- stead He traveled through India and into Tibet studying all the time and being taught all the time the Higher Teachings of Hinduism,

Buddhism the Islamic belief, andothers, and from that He formulated that which becameknown in distorted form as Christianity. Again we must besure that we realize that the "Christian" of Christ wasnot the very altered version which was propagated in theyear 60 to increase the power of the priests. Now, I havebeen forbidden to mention anything about these priests in this particular book, but I have already written about them in many of my books. Just for one illustration, to see what I am trying to get over to you but because of the new conditions must not say outright—please read "The Hermit", page 154. I still do not understand how a publisher who has published these things can now decide that they must not be published. It seems a question of double talk to me, but I am supposed to be—I have been told—too out-spoken. Anyway, I am not mealy-mouthed,am I? > >> >I believe this is the fourth or fifth time you have posted this. The Christian > >> >section is erroneous in many ways. These errors have been explained over the > >> >past four years with primary sources. With the numerous errors in the Qur'an > >> >pertaining to Jesus and persons in the Tanakh, a comparison cannot be made. > >> >Furthermore, Mohammed does not meet the definition of a prophet since he is not > > >> >Jewish. These so called "Scholars" who believe the created Christianity is > >

>> >just plain stupid. 's preaching had to be approved by ; which it was. > >> >In addition, there are other scripture along side 's letters in the New > >> >Testament that are in agreement with each other. > >> >The more errroneous and egregious error is the claim that the Gospel of Barnabas > >> >> >was approved by the Church. This is an outright lie. The Canon of the New > >> >Testament was approved at the Council of Carthage in 398. This Gospel was not > >> >included for one main reason. It didn't exist. It is a fraud that was written in > >> >> >the Europe during the Middle Ages. > >> >It is a futile and ignorant attempt by Muslims to try to discredit Christianity. > >> >> >As "Hellenistic" or "having pagan origins,"

ect, ect. ect. It would be a breath > > >> >of fresh aire if Muslims here would take an honest look at the errors in the > >> >Qur'an and the erroneous "evidence" they continually espouse as truth. > >> >God Bless > >> >________________________________ > >> >From: Kunju Mon > >> ><monkunju@... <mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> <mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> > ><mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> > >> >> ><mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=monkunju%40gmail.com>>> >> >> >> >interfaithdialoguecenter > ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > >> >> ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > >> ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40><http://mc/compose?to=interfaithdialoguecenter%40>;> >> >> >bibleandquran <mailto:bibleandquran%40> > ><mailto:bibleandquran%40> >

><mailto:bibleandquran%40> > >> >> ><mailto:bibleandquran%40><http://mc/compose?to=bibleandquran%40>> >> >> >> > >> >Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 11:37:15 AM > >> >Subject: {Bible And Quran} The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a > >> >comparison > >> >The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison** > >> >The person of Jesus or Isa in Arabic (peace be upon him) is of great > >> >significance in both Islam and Christianity. However, there are differences > >> >in terms of beliefs about the nature and life occurrences of this noble > >> >Messenger. >

>> >*Source of information about Jesus in Islam * > >> >** > >> >Most of the Islamic information about Jesus is actually found in the Quran. > >> >The Quran was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be > >> >upon him), and memorized and written down in his lifetime. Today, anyone who > >> >calls him or herself a Muslim believes in the complete authenticity of the > >> >Quran as the original revealed guidance from God. > >> >*Source of information about Jesus in Christianity* > >> >** > >> >Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible, which includes > >> >the Old and New Testaments. > >> >These contain four biblical narratives covering the life and death of Jesus. > >>

>They have been written, according to tradition, respectively by , > >> >Mark, Luke and . They are placed at the beginning of the New Testament > >> >and comprise close to half of it. > >> >Encyclopedia Britannica notes that none of the sources of his life and work > >> >can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written > >> >word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of his life and > >> >death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost > >> >without exception on Christian traditions, especially on the material used > >> >in the composition of the Gospels of Mark, , and Luke, which reflect > >> >the outlook of the later church and its faith in Jesus. > >> >Below are the views of

Islam and Christianity based on primary source texts > >> >and core beliefs. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >ISLAM > >> >* > >> >** > >> >* > >> >1. Do Muslims believe he was a Messenger of One God? YES > >> >* > >> >Belief in all of the Prophets and Messengers of God is a fundamental article > >> >of faith in Islam. Thus, believing in Prophets Adam, Jesus, Moses, and > >> >Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them) is a requirement for anyone who > >> >calls him or herself a Muslim. A person claiming to be a Muslim who, for > >> >instance, denies the Messengership of Jesus, is not considered a Muslim. > >> >The Quran says in reference to the status of Jesus as a

Messenger: > >> >"The Messiah (Jesus), son of , was no more than a Messenger before whom > >> >many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to > >> >truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make > >> >Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!" (Quran 5:75). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >2. Do Muslims believe he was born of a Virgin Mother? YES > >> >* > >> >Like Christians, Muslims believe , in Spanish, or am as she is > >> >called in Arabic, was a chaste, virgin woman, who miraculously gave birth to > >> >Jesus. > >> >"Relate in the Book the story of , when she withdrew from her family, to > >> >a place in the

East. She screened herself from them; then We sent to her Our > >> >spirit (angel ) and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. > >> >She said: I seek refuge from you in God Most Gracious (come not near) if you > >> >do fear God. He said: Nay, I am only a Messenger from your Lord, to announce > >> >to you the gift of a pure son. She said: How shall I have a son, when no man > >> >has ever touched me, and I am not unchaste? He said: So it will be, your > >> >Lord says: ‘That is easy for Me; and We wish to appoint him as a sign unto > >> >men and a Mercy from Us': It was a matter so decreed" (Quran 19:16-21). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >3. Do Muslims believe Jesus had a miraculous birth? YES > >> >* > >>

>The Quran says: > >> >"She () said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched > >> >me.' He (God) said: ‘So (it will be) for God creates what He wills. When He > >> >has decreed something, He says to it only: ‘Be!'- and it is" (3:47). > >> >It should also be noted about his birth that: > >> >"Verily, the likeness of Jesus in God's Sight is the likeness of Adam. He > >> >(God) created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!'-and he was" (Quran > >> >3:59). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >4. Do Muslims believe Jesus spoke in the cradle? YES > >> >* > >> >"Then she () pointed to him. They said: ‘How can we talk to one who is a > >> >child in the

cradle?' He (Jesus) said: ‘Verily! I am a slave of God, He has > >> >given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; " (19:29-30). > >> >*5. Do Muslims believe he performed miracles? YES* > >> >Muslims, like Christians believe Jesus performed miracles. But these were > >> >performed by the will and permission of God, Who has power and control over > >> >all things. > >> >"Then will God say: ‘O Jesus the son of ! recount My favor to you and to > >> >your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit (the angel > >> >) so that you did speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. > >> >Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And > >> >behold: you make out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird,

by My leave, > >> >and you breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by My leave, and you heal > >> >those born blind, and the lepers by My leave. And behold! you bring forth > >> >the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the children of Israel from > >> >(violence to you) when you did show them the Clear Signs, and the > >> >unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic' (5:110). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >6. Do Muslims believe in the Trinity? NO > >> >* > >> >Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness of God, Who is a Supreme Being free > >> >of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. > >> >He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate from His

> >> >creation. > >> >God says in the Quran regarding the Trinity: > >> >"People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your > >> >religion, and attribute to God nothing except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, > >> >son of , was only a Messenger of God, and His command that He conveyed > >> >unto , and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and in His Messengers, > >> >and do not say: ‘God is a Trinity.' Give up this assertion; it would be > >> >better for you. God is indeed just One God. Far be it from His glory that He > >> >should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the > >> >earth. God is sufficient for a guardian" (Quran 4:171). > >> >** > >> >* >

>> >7. Do Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of God? NO > >> >* > >> >"Say: "God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered > >> >anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!" (Quran > >> >112:1-4). > >> >The Quran also states: > >> >"Such was Jesus, the son of ; it is a statement of truth, about which > >> >they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He > >> >should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only > >> >says to it, ‘Be' and it is" (Quran 19:34-35). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >8. Do Muslims believe Jesus was killed on the cross then resurrected? NO > >> >* >

>> >"“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they > >> >did.� (Quran 4:156) “God lifted him up to His presence. God is Almighty, > >> >All-Wise� (Quran 4:157) . > >> >** > >> >* > >> >CHRISTIANITY > >> >* > >> >** > >> >* > >> >1. Do Christians believe Jesus was a human being and Messenger of God? YES & > >> >NO > >> >* > >> >With the exception of Unitarian Christians, who like all the early followers > >> >of Jesus, still do not believe in the Trinity, most Christians now believe > >> >in the Divinity of Jesus, which is connected to the belief in Trinity. They > >> >say he is the second

member of the Triune God, the Son of the first part of > >> >the Triune God, and at the same time "fully" God in every respect. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >2. Do Christians believe he was born of a Virgin Mother? YES > >> >* > >> >A chaste and pious human woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second > >> >member of the Trinity, the Son of God, and at the same time "fully" God > >> >Almighty in every respect. > >> >Christians believe however, that while she was a virgin, she was married to > >> >a man named ph (Bible: :1:18). According to 1:25, ph > >> >"kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name > >> >Jesus". > >> >** > >> >*

> >> >3. Do Christians believe he had a miraculous birth? YES > >> >* > >> >"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows. When His mother had been > >> >betrothed to ph, before they came together, she was found to be with > >> >child by the Holy Spirit" (Bible: 1:18)* * > >> >** > >> >* > >> >4. Do Christians believe he performed miracles? YES > >> >* > >> >"And now, Lord, look upon their threats, and grant to thy servants to speak > >> >thy word with all boldness, while thou stretches out thy hand to heal, and > >> >sign and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus > >> >(Bible: Acts 4:30). > >> >Christians believe that Jesus performed

these miracles because he was the > >> >Son of God as well as the incarnation of God. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >5. Do Christians believe in the Trinity? YES > >> >* > >> >With the exception of the Unitarian Christians, who do not believe in the > >> >Divinity of Christ, the Trinity, according to the Catholic encyclopedia, is > >> >the term used for the central doctrine of the Christian religion. The belief > >> >is that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the > >> >Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three Persons or beings are distinct from > >> >each another, while being similar in character: uncreated and omnipotent. > >> >The First Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to

the > >> >term *mystery* in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we > >> >are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but > >> >which, even when revealed, remains "hidden by the veil of faith and > >> >enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness" (Const., "De fide. cath.", > >> >iv). The First Vatican Council further defined that the Christian Faith > >> >contains mysteries strictly so called (can. 4). All theologians admit that > >> >the doctrine of the Trinity is of the number of these. The Catholic > >> >Encyclopedia notes that of all revealed truths, this is the most > >> >impenetrable to reason. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >6. Do Christians believe that Jesus was the son of

God? YES > >> >* > >> >"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes > >> >in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into > >> >the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved > >> >through Him (Bible: 3:16). > >> >However, it is interesting to note that the term "son of God" is used in > >> >other parts of the Bible to refer to Adam (Bible: Luke 3:38), Israel (Bible: > >> >Exodus 4:22) and (Bible: Psalms 2:7) as well. The creatures of God are > >> >usually referred to in the Bible as children of God. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >The role of of Tarsus in shaping this belief and the belief in Trinity > >> >*

> >> >The notion of Jesus as son of God is something that was established under > >> >the influence of of Tarsus (originally named Saul), who had been an > >> >enemy of Jesus, but later changed course and joined the disciples after the > >> >departure of Jesus. > >> >Later, however, he initiated a number of changes into early Christian > >> >teachings, in contradiction, for instance, to disciples like Barnabas, who > >> >believed in the Oneness of God and who had actually lived and met with > >> >Jesus. > >> > is considered by a number of Christian scholars to be the father of > >> >Christianity due to his additions of the following ideas: > >> >- > >> >that Jesus is the son of God, > >>

>- > >> >the concept of Atonement, > >> >- > >> >the renunciation of the Law of the Torah. > >> > did these things in hopes of winning over the Gentiles (non-Jewish > >> >people). His letters are another of the primary sources of information on > >> >Jesus according to the Christian tradition. > >> >The original followers of Prophet Jesus opposed these blatant > >> >misrepresentations of the message of Jesus. They struggled to reject the > >> >notion of the Divinity of Jesus for close to 200 years. > >> >One person who was an original follower of Jesus was Barnabas. He was a Jew > >> >born in Cyrus and a successful preacher of the teachings of Jesus. Because > >> >of his closeness to Jesus, he was an important

member of the small group of > >> >disciples in Jerusalem who had had gathered together following the > >> >disappearance of Jesus. > >> >The question of Jesus's nature, origin and relationship with God was not > >> >raised amongst Barnabas and the small group of disciples. Jesus was > >> >considered a man miraculously endowed by God. Nothing in the words of Jesus > >> >or the events in his life led them to modify this view. > >> >The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of > >> >andria till 325 CE Iranaeus (130-200) wrote in support of pure > >> >monotheism and opposed for injecting into Christianity doctrines of the > >> >pagan Roman religion and Platonic philosophy. He quoted extensively from the >

>> >Gospel of Barnabas in support of his views. This indicates that the Gospel > >> >of Barnabas was in circulation in the first and second centuries of > >> >Christianity. > >> >In 325 (CE), a council of Christian leaders met at Nicaea and made 's > >> >beliefs officially part of Christian doctrine. It also ordered that all > >> >original Gospels in Hebrew script which contradicted 's beliefs should > >> >be destroyed. An edict was issued that anyone in possession of these Gospels > >> >would be put to death. > >> >The Gospel of Barnabas has miraculously survived though. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >7. Do Christians believe he was killed on the cross? YES > >> >* > >> >This is a

core Christian belief and it relates to the concept of atonement. > >> >According to this belief, Jesus died to save mankind from sin. However, this > >> >is not stated explicitly in the four gospels which form the primary source > >> >texts of Christianity. It is found, however, in Romans 6:8,9. > >> >Christians believe Jesus was spat on, cut, humiliated, kicked, striped and > >> >finally hung up on the cross to endure a slow and painful death. > >> >According, to Christian belief, the original sin of Adam and Eve of eating > >> >from the forbidden tree was so great that God could not forgive it by simply > >> >willing it, rather it was necessary to erase it with the blood of a sinless, > >> >innocent Jesus. > >> >** > >> >* >

>> >Resurrection > >> >* > >> >The four Gospels and the Epistles of St. are the main sources of > >> >Christianity which discuss the Resurrection of Jesus after his crucifixion. > >> >According to St. , Jesus appeared to the holy women, and again on a > >> >mountain in Galilee. Mark's Gospel tells a different story: Jesus was seen > >> >by Magdalene, by the two disciples at Emmaus, and the Eleven before his > >> >Ascension into heaven. > >> >Luke's Gospel says Jesus walked with the disciples to Emmaus, appeared to > >> > and to the assembled disciples in Jerusalem. In 's Gospel, Jesus > >> >appeared to Magdalene, to the ten Apostles on Easter Sunday, to the > >> >Eleven a week later, and to

seven disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. > >> >Another account of the resurrection by St. is found in Bible: > >> >Corinthians 15: 3-8. > >> >According to Christian belief, Resurrection is a manifestation of God's > >> >justice, Who exalted Christ to a life of glory, as Christ had humbled > >> >himself unto death (Phil., 2: 8-9). This event also completes the mystery of > >> >Christian salvation and redemption. The death of Jesus frees believers from > >> >sin, and with his resurrection, he restores to them the most important > >> >privileges lost by sin (Bible: Romans 4:25). > >> >More importantly, the belief in the resurrection of Jesus indicates > >> >Christian acknowledgment of Christ as the immortal God, the cause of > >>

>believers' own resurrection (Bible: I Corinthians 4: 21; Phil., 3:20-21), as > >> >well as the model and the support of a new life of grace (Bible: Romans 4: > >> >4-6; 9-11). > >> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

All religions you know are copied of Babylonian & old Egypt dogmas, worship of the sun (see the halo or the nimbus=yellow color & form of the sun around the head of all their gods, sure there were discoveries so they changes today their dogmas & pictures, but there is idols 7 old pictures cannot be denied), Judaism is a distorted of the real "Hebrew religion of Prophet Moses" & the sun worship, (see Genesis 1:16-18 & Ezekiel 8:7-18), rabbi had falsified the call of Pt Yesa (Jesus=Yesa-us) with exactly the biography of

Krishna & same "call" name Krst=Christ, same texts too... Brahma is not the older god.. Brahma & his wife Iswara were copied of Judaism: Abraham & his wife ! The oldest known Religion in life was the call of Prophet Abraham & the Babylonian of Nimrod. See the "very important" conversation between Monotheism (of Pt Abraham) & Paganism (of Nimrod:Shamess=sun), in Talmud of Jews & generous Qura'an. They existed in the same time!!! Allah, be exalted, is the only deity for Pt. Ibrahim (Abraham) & Hebrew of Samaria

& Sabiens of Pt. Yahia ( son of Zakaria) & Muslims, this is since Mesopotamia times = more than 7000 years, before all known religions of today. Allah, be exalted is the divine, alone, without trinity, nor earthy incarnations, nor avatars ...no cross, of the 33 crucified saviors of sungods........... "Just judgment" & , may be, forgiveness on Doomsday to "believers with gooood acts with no sins".

Monotheism is worship of Allah, be exalted, the eternal creator.

You will ask why He, be exalted, is the deity not as all others, what is the proof ?

Even if there were sent multiple Prophets, who say so?

Please "read & see" by pictures of texts on these 2 Links of mine, some unimaginable miracles, of cosmos & of all kind of other miracles,of 1640 years ago in generous Qura’an, proof that it cannot ever be word of man, neither even a collection of scientiests words of that time, nor of wisdoms, is complete rulers (Sharia') for humanity, the pagans of Arabia, who worshipped idols representing "Sun, moon & stars" as all the world, called Prophet Muhammad, peace unto Him, the fool:

002-1-http://www.4shared.com/file/167400839/7257b93/003-To_disbelievers____.html

002-2-http://www.4shared.com/file/231000842/569a7151/002-2-To_disbelievers___.html

Not finished, there is more of all kind of miracles discovered to day, and will be to discover, not known to Pt. Muhammad, peace unto Him, nor to His companions nor to us today...will be to discover... this continuity of miracles is the great prove... Allah, the greatest, exists. And there is a Creator.

Hope not be long with you

kinds regards

Marwan

From: <outincyberspace@...>TheRampaPath Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 5:28:22 AMSubject: [TheRampaPath] Re: Fw: [iFDC] The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison??

Hi Marwan,You seem like an intelligent human being and I hope to befriend you. You are interested in comparative religions. Dr. Rampa says this on various religions. I also tried to paste the chapter from the book "The Hermit" here where much is told about the long history of religions on this Earth. It is about page 150 in the book The Hermit. Remember Dr. Lobsang Rampa was trained for many years and lifetimes in Tibet and had a very advanced knowledge. Anyway Marwan, I do hope we can meet at some understanding as we are all searchers for truth.Sincerely, So we have Hinduism as one of the older religions, andBuddha took valuable portions of the Hindu belief and formulated what was called Buddhism, in the same way that Christ did not wander in the Wilderness at all, in- stead He traveled through India and into Tibet studying all the time and being taught all the time the Higher Teachings of Hinduism,

Buddhism the Islamic belief, andothers, and from that He formulated that which becameknown in distorted form as Christianity. Again we must besure that we realize that the "Christian" of Christ wasnot the very altered version which was propagated in theyear 60 to increase the power of the priests. Now, I havebeen forbidden to mention anything about these priests in this particular book, but I have already written about them in many of my books. Just for one illustration, to see what I am trying to get over to you but because of the new conditions must not say outright—please read "The Hermit", page 154. I still do not understand how a publisher who has published these things can now decide that they must not be published. It seems a question of double talk to me, but I am supposed to be—I have been told—too out-spoken. Anyway, I am not mealy-mouthed,am I? > >> >I believe this is the fourth or fifth time you have posted this. The Christian > >> >section is erroneous in many ways. These errors have been explained over the > >> >past four years with primary sources. With the numerous errors in the Qur'an > >> >pertaining to Jesus and persons in the Tanakh, a comparison cannot be made. > >> >Furthermore, Mohammed does not meet the definition of a prophet since he is not > > >> >Jewish. These so called "Scholars" who believe the created Christianity is > >

>> >just plain stupid. 's preaching had to be approved by ; which it was. > >> >In addition, there are other scripture along side 's letters in the New > >> >Testament that are in agreement with each other. > >> >The more errroneous and egregious error is the claim that the Gospel of Barnabas > >> >> >was approved by the Church. This is an outright lie. The Canon of the New > >> >Testament was approved at the Council of Carthage in 398. This Gospel was not > >> >included for one main reason. It didn't exist. It is a fraud that was written in > >> >> >the Europe during the Middle Ages. > >> >It is a futile and ignorant attempt by Muslims to try to discredit Christianity. > >> >> >As "Hellenistic" or "having pagan origins,"

ect, ect. ect. It would be a breath > > >> >of fresh aire if Muslims here would take an honest look at the errors in the > >> >Qur'an and the erroneous "evidence" they continually espouse as truth. > >> >God Bless > >> >________________________________ > >> >From: Kunju Mon > >> ><monkunju@... <mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> <mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> > ><mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com> > >> >> ><mailto:monkunju%40gmail.com><http://mc/compose?to=monkunju%40gmail.com>>> >> >> >> >interfaithdialoguecenter > ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > >> >> ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40> > >> ><mailto:interfaithdialoguecenter%40><http://mc/compose?to=interfaithdialoguecenter%40>;> >> >> >bibleandquran <mailto:bibleandquran%40> > ><mailto:bibleandquran%40> >

><mailto:bibleandquran%40> > >> >> ><mailto:bibleandquran%40><http://mc/compose?to=bibleandquran%40>> >> >> >> > >> >Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 11:37:15 AM > >> >Subject: {Bible And Quran} The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a > >> >comparison > >> >The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus: a comparison** > >> >The person of Jesus or Isa in Arabic (peace be upon him) is of great > >> >significance in both Islam and Christianity. However, there are differences > >> >in terms of beliefs about the nature and life occurrences of this noble > >> >Messenger. >

>> >*Source of information about Jesus in Islam * > >> >** > >> >Most of the Islamic information about Jesus is actually found in the Quran. > >> >The Quran was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be > >> >upon him), and memorized and written down in his lifetime. Today, anyone who > >> >calls him or herself a Muslim believes in the complete authenticity of the > >> >Quran as the original revealed guidance from God. > >> >*Source of information about Jesus in Christianity* > >> >** > >> >Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible, which includes > >> >the Old and New Testaments. > >> >These contain four biblical narratives covering the life and death of Jesus. > >>

>They have been written, according to tradition, respectively by , > >> >Mark, Luke and . They are placed at the beginning of the New Testament > >> >and comprise close to half of it. > >> >Encyclopedia Britannica notes that none of the sources of his life and work > >> >can be traced to Jesus himself; he did not leave a single known written > >> >word. Also, there are no contemporary accounts written of his life and > >> >death. What can be established about the historical Jesus depends almost > >> >without exception on Christian traditions, especially on the material used > >> >in the composition of the Gospels of Mark, , and Luke, which reflect > >> >the outlook of the later church and its faith in Jesus. > >> >Below are the views of

Islam and Christianity based on primary source texts > >> >and core beliefs. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >ISLAM > >> >* > >> >** > >> >* > >> >1. Do Muslims believe he was a Messenger of One God? YES > >> >* > >> >Belief in all of the Prophets and Messengers of God is a fundamental article > >> >of faith in Islam. Thus, believing in Prophets Adam, Jesus, Moses, and > >> >Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them) is a requirement for anyone who > >> >calls him or herself a Muslim. A person claiming to be a Muslim who, for > >> >instance, denies the Messengership of Jesus, is not considered a Muslim. > >> >The Quran says in reference to the status of Jesus as a

Messenger: > >> >"The Messiah (Jesus), son of , was no more than a Messenger before whom > >> >many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to > >> >truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make > >> >Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!" (Quran 5:75). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >2. Do Muslims believe he was born of a Virgin Mother? YES > >> >* > >> >Like Christians, Muslims believe , in Spanish, or am as she is > >> >called in Arabic, was a chaste, virgin woman, who miraculously gave birth to > >> >Jesus. > >> >"Relate in the Book the story of , when she withdrew from her family, to > >> >a place in the

East. She screened herself from them; then We sent to her Our > >> >spirit (angel ) and he appeared before her as a man in all respects. > >> >She said: I seek refuge from you in God Most Gracious (come not near) if you > >> >do fear God. He said: Nay, I am only a Messenger from your Lord, to announce > >> >to you the gift of a pure son. She said: How shall I have a son, when no man > >> >has ever touched me, and I am not unchaste? He said: So it will be, your > >> >Lord says: ‘That is easy for Me; and We wish to appoint him as a sign unto > >> >men and a Mercy from Us': It was a matter so decreed" (Quran 19:16-21). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >3. Do Muslims believe Jesus had a miraculous birth? YES > >> >* > >>

>The Quran says: > >> >"She () said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched > >> >me.' He (God) said: ‘So (it will be) for God creates what He wills. When He > >> >has decreed something, He says to it only: ‘Be!'- and it is" (3:47). > >> >It should also be noted about his birth that: > >> >"Verily, the likeness of Jesus in God's Sight is the likeness of Adam. He > >> >(God) created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!'-and he was" (Quran > >> >3:59). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >4. Do Muslims believe Jesus spoke in the cradle? YES > >> >* > >> >"Then she () pointed to him. They said: ‘How can we talk to one who is a > >> >child in the

cradle?' He (Jesus) said: ‘Verily! I am a slave of God, He has > >> >given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; " (19:29-30). > >> >*5. Do Muslims believe he performed miracles? YES* > >> >Muslims, like Christians believe Jesus performed miracles. But these were > >> >performed by the will and permission of God, Who has power and control over > >> >all things. > >> >"Then will God say: ‘O Jesus the son of ! recount My favor to you and to > >> >your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit (the angel > >> >) so that you did speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. > >> >Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. And > >> >behold: you make out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird,

by My leave, > >> >and you breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by My leave, and you heal > >> >those born blind, and the lepers by My leave. And behold! you bring forth > >> >the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the children of Israel from > >> >(violence to you) when you did show them the Clear Signs, and the > >> >unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic' (5:110). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >6. Do Muslims believe in the Trinity? NO > >> >* > >> >Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness of God, Who is a Supreme Being free > >> >of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. > >> >He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate from His

> >> >creation. > >> >God says in the Quran regarding the Trinity: > >> >"People of the Book (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your > >> >religion, and attribute to God nothing except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, > >> >son of , was only a Messenger of God, and His command that He conveyed > >> >unto , and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and in His Messengers, > >> >and do not say: ‘God is a Trinity.' Give up this assertion; it would be > >> >better for you. God is indeed just One God. Far be it from His glory that He > >> >should have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the > >> >earth. God is sufficient for a guardian" (Quran 4:171). > >> >** > >> >* >

>> >7. Do Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of God? NO > >> >* > >> >"Say: "God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered > >> >anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!" (Quran > >> >112:1-4). > >> >The Quran also states: > >> >"Such was Jesus, the son of ; it is a statement of truth, about which > >> >they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He > >> >should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only > >> >says to it, ‘Be' and it is" (Quran 19:34-35). > >> >** > >> >* > >> >8. Do Muslims believe Jesus was killed on the cross then resurrected? NO > >> >* >

>> >"“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they > >> >did.� (Quran 4:156) “God lifted him up to His presence. God is Almighty, > >> >All-Wise� (Quran 4:157) . > >> >** > >> >* > >> >CHRISTIANITY > >> >* > >> >** > >> >* > >> >1. Do Christians believe Jesus was a human being and Messenger of God? YES & > >> >NO > >> >* > >> >With the exception of Unitarian Christians, who like all the early followers > >> >of Jesus, still do not believe in the Trinity, most Christians now believe > >> >in the Divinity of Jesus, which is connected to the belief in Trinity. They > >> >say he is the second

member of the Triune God, the Son of the first part of > >> >the Triune God, and at the same time "fully" God in every respect. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >2. Do Christians believe he was born of a Virgin Mother? YES > >> >* > >> >A chaste and pious human woman who gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second > >> >member of the Trinity, the Son of God, and at the same time "fully" God > >> >Almighty in every respect. > >> >Christians believe however, that while she was a virgin, she was married to > >> >a man named ph (Bible: :1:18). According to 1:25, ph > >> >"kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name > >> >Jesus". > >> >** > >> >*

> >> >3. Do Christians believe he had a miraculous birth? YES > >> >* > >> >"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows. When His mother had been > >> >betrothed to ph, before they came together, she was found to be with > >> >child by the Holy Spirit" (Bible: 1:18)* * > >> >** > >> >* > >> >4. Do Christians believe he performed miracles? YES > >> >* > >> >"And now, Lord, look upon their threats, and grant to thy servants to speak > >> >thy word with all boldness, while thou stretches out thy hand to heal, and > >> >sign and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus > >> >(Bible: Acts 4:30). > >> >Christians believe that Jesus performed

these miracles because he was the > >> >Son of God as well as the incarnation of God. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >5. Do Christians believe in the Trinity? YES > >> >* > >> >With the exception of the Unitarian Christians, who do not believe in the > >> >Divinity of Christ, the Trinity, according to the Catholic encyclopedia, is > >> >the term used for the central doctrine of the Christian religion. The belief > >> >is that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the > >> >Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three Persons or beings are distinct from > >> >each another, while being similar in character: uncreated and omnipotent. > >> >The First Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to

the > >> >term *mystery* in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we > >> >are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but > >> >which, even when revealed, remains "hidden by the veil of faith and > >> >enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness" (Const., "De fide. cath.", > >> >iv). The First Vatican Council further defined that the Christian Faith > >> >contains mysteries strictly so called (can. 4). All theologians admit that > >> >the doctrine of the Trinity is of the number of these. The Catholic > >> >Encyclopedia notes that of all revealed truths, this is the most > >> >impenetrable to reason. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >6. Do Christians believe that Jesus was the son of

God? YES > >> >* > >> >"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believes > >> >in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into > >> >the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved > >> >through Him (Bible: 3:16). > >> >However, it is interesting to note that the term "son of God" is used in > >> >other parts of the Bible to refer to Adam (Bible: Luke 3:38), Israel (Bible: > >> >Exodus 4:22) and (Bible: Psalms 2:7) as well. The creatures of God are > >> >usually referred to in the Bible as children of God. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >The role of of Tarsus in shaping this belief and the belief in Trinity > >> >*

> >> >The notion of Jesus as son of God is something that was established under > >> >the influence of of Tarsus (originally named Saul), who had been an > >> >enemy of Jesus, but later changed course and joined the disciples after the > >> >departure of Jesus. > >> >Later, however, he initiated a number of changes into early Christian > >> >teachings, in contradiction, for instance, to disciples like Barnabas, who > >> >believed in the Oneness of God and who had actually lived and met with > >> >Jesus. > >> > is considered by a number of Christian scholars to be the father of > >> >Christianity due to his additions of the following ideas: > >> >- > >> >that Jesus is the son of God, > >>

>- > >> >the concept of Atonement, > >> >- > >> >the renunciation of the Law of the Torah. > >> > did these things in hopes of winning over the Gentiles (non-Jewish > >> >people). His letters are another of the primary sources of information on > >> >Jesus according to the Christian tradition. > >> >The original followers of Prophet Jesus opposed these blatant > >> >misrepresentations of the message of Jesus. They struggled to reject the > >> >notion of the Divinity of Jesus for close to 200 years. > >> >One person who was an original follower of Jesus was Barnabas. He was a Jew > >> >born in Cyrus and a successful preacher of the teachings of Jesus. Because > >> >of his closeness to Jesus, he was an important

member of the small group of > >> >disciples in Jerusalem who had had gathered together following the > >> >disappearance of Jesus. > >> >The question of Jesus's nature, origin and relationship with God was not > >> >raised amongst Barnabas and the small group of disciples. Jesus was > >> >considered a man miraculously endowed by God. Nothing in the words of Jesus > >> >or the events in his life led them to modify this view. > >> >The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of > >> >andria till 325 CE Iranaeus (130-200) wrote in support of pure > >> >monotheism and opposed for injecting into Christianity doctrines of the > >> >pagan Roman religion and Platonic philosophy. He quoted extensively from the >

>> >Gospel of Barnabas in support of his views. This indicates that the Gospel > >> >of Barnabas was in circulation in the first and second centuries of > >> >Christianity. > >> >In 325 (CE), a council of Christian leaders met at Nicaea and made 's > >> >beliefs officially part of Christian doctrine. It also ordered that all > >> >original Gospels in Hebrew script which contradicted 's beliefs should > >> >be destroyed. An edict was issued that anyone in possession of these Gospels > >> >would be put to death. > >> >The Gospel of Barnabas has miraculously survived though. > >> >** > >> >* > >> >7. Do Christians believe he was killed on the cross? YES > >> >* > >> >This is a

core Christian belief and it relates to the concept of atonement. > >> >According to this belief, Jesus died to save mankind from sin. However, this > >> >is not stated explicitly in the four gospels which form the primary source > >> >texts of Christianity. It is found, however, in Romans 6:8,9. > >> >Christians believe Jesus was spat on, cut, humiliated, kicked, striped and > >> >finally hung up on the cross to endure a slow and painful death. > >> >According, to Christian belief, the original sin of Adam and Eve of eating > >> >from the forbidden tree was so great that God could not forgive it by simply > >> >willing it, rather it was necessary to erase it with the blood of a sinless, > >> >innocent Jesus. > >> >** > >> >* >

>> >Resurrection > >> >* > >> >The four Gospels and the Epistles of St. are the main sources of > >> >Christianity which discuss the Resurrection of Jesus after his crucifixion. > >> >According to St. , Jesus appeared to the holy women, and again on a > >> >mountain in Galilee. Mark's Gospel tells a different story: Jesus was seen > >> >by Magdalene, by the two disciples at Emmaus, and the Eleven before his > >> >Ascension into heaven. > >> >Luke's Gospel says Jesus walked with the disciples to Emmaus, appeared to > >> > and to the assembled disciples in Jerusalem. In 's Gospel, Jesus > >> >appeared to Magdalene, to the ten Apostles on Easter Sunday, to the > >> >Eleven a week later, and to

seven disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. > >> >Another account of the resurrection by St. is found in Bible: > >> >Corinthians 15: 3-8. > >> >According to Christian belief, Resurrection is a manifestation of God's > >> >justice, Who exalted Christ to a life of glory, as Christ had humbled > >> >himself unto death (Phil., 2: 8-9). This event also completes the mystery of > >> >Christian salvation and redemption. The death of Jesus frees believers from > >> >sin, and with his resurrection, he restores to them the most important > >> >privileges lost by sin (Bible: Romans 4:25). > >> >More importantly, the belief in the resurrection of Jesus indicates > >> >Christian acknowledgment of Christ as the immortal God, the cause of > >>

>believers' own resurrection (Bible: I Corinthians 4: 21; Phil., 3:20-21), as > >> >well as the model and the support of a new life of grace (Bible: Romans 4: > >> >4-6; 9-11). > >> >