Re: Discussion on evaluation methods...Attn.Kiran

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Dear Dr.Kiran,

MCI recommends the minimum standards required for a particular couse -UG/PG/ or any other.If you look at the goals and objectives set by MCI for each subject , they are directed towards what is expected out from a medical practitioner in Indian set up.Now, It is up to the university/ colleges to adopt the minimum plus upgrade it as per your facility/ feasibility and enthusiasm.

What needs to be done to overcome the discrepancies? All the subject experts needs to get to gather , work out on the curriculum and evaluation pattern, submit the resolution to the university.All the four medical colleges under Gujarat university has followed the above method and today we have same curriculum in theory and practical , same practical manual and even the evaluation system which also matches with MCI. The problem is coordination amongst us rather than MCI....

Mira Desai

From: drkiranvbarar <drkiranvbarar@...>Subject: Re: Discussion on evaluation methodsnetrum Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 9:04 PM

Ma'm!! can we all unanimously pressurize MCI to ask our all universities to be same as regards syllabus+evaluation method(s)/system(s) in both theory n practicals??MCI & UNIV. dont match at times...Dr.KiranVBarar> > From: Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@. ..>> Subject: NATIONAL EDUCATION DAY> netrumgroups (DOT) com> Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:38 AM> > > > > >

> > > > Dear Members:> > Today a new discussion on Evaluation methods in medical education is going to be moderated by Prof. Mira Madam. What better occasion to start a discussion on medical education than on "National Education Day", that is today. Department of Higher Education, Ministry of Human Resource Development, Government of India has decided to observe 11th November, birthday of Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, the first Union Minister of Education as the “National Education Day†every year. In this connection, attached herewith please find an article of mine on changing dynamics in higher education published today in a regional English Daily. Though the article does not deal with medical education in particular, it concerns higher education in general. Article presents a brief overview of the proceedings and recommendations of an

expert level panel discussion organized by the Academic Staff College of the University of Kashmir in association with Indian Institute of> Public Administration, Kashmir Chapter at Srinagar on November 1st, 2008. Veteran academicians of the state including principals of several degree colleges and noted academicians of the Universities of Kashmir and Jammu participated in the panel discussion, of which I happened to function as the Rapporteur. To view the published version of the article click on the link below:> http://www.greaterk ashmir.com/ full_story. asp?Date= 11_11_2008 & ItemID= 14 & cat=12 > > In the event of any difficulty in following the link, log on to www.greaterkashmir. com and click over the Op-Ed page link.> > To view and download full report of the proceedings of the panel

discussion, log on to my website given below:> > http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com > > Wishing you a fruitful Education Day. With kind regards > > Dr. Geer M. Ishaq> Assistant Professor> Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences> University of Kashmir> Srinagar-190006 (J & K)> Ph: 9419970971, 9906673100> Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/>

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Dear members

Great start for a thought provoking discussion.I

fully agree with Mira mam that all colleges should have some sort of

understanding and coordiantion rather than putting the blame on

MCI.We had such meetings in Kerala where subject experts discussed

matters regarding curriculum and exam patterns.These meetings are

still going on at different levels which will then be forwarded to

the MCI.Evaluation should be mainly focussed on developing the

various skills of the students which will be useful later in their

medical practice.

Dr.Santosh

In netrum , Mira Desai <desaimirak@...> wrote:

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> Dear Dr.Kiran,

> MCI recommends  the minimum standards required for a particular

couse -UG/PG/ or any other.If you look at the goals and objectives

set by MCI for each subject , they are directed towards what is

expected out from a medical practitioner in Indian set

up.Now,  It is up to the university/ colleges to adopt the

minimum plus upgrade it as per your facility/ feasibility and

enthusiasm.

> What needs to be done to overcome the discrepancies? All the

subject experts needs to get to gather , work out on the curriculum

and evaluation pattern, submit the resolution to the university.All

the four medical colleges under Gujarat university has followed the

above method and today we have same curriculum in theory and

practical , same practical manual and even the evaluation system

which also matches with MCI. The problem is coordination amongst us

rather than MCI....

> Mira Desai

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> From: drkiranvbarar <drkiranvbarar@...>

> Subject: Re: Discussion on evaluation methods

> netrum

> Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 9:04 PM

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> Ma'm!! can we all unanimously pressurize MCI to ask our all

> universities to be same as regards syllabus+evaluation method

> (s)/system(s) in both theory n practicals??

> MCI & UNIV. dont match at times...

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> Dr.KiranVBarar

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> > From: Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@ ..>

> > Subject: NATIONAL EDUCATION DAY

> > netrumgroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:38 AM

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> > Dear Members:

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> > Today a new discussion on Evaluation methods in medical

education

> is going to be moderated by Prof. Mira Madam. What better occasion

> to start a discussion on medical education than on " National

> Education Day " , that is today. Department of Higher Education,

> Ministry of Human Resource Development, Government of India has

> decided to observe 11th November, birthday of Maulana Abul Kalam

> Azad, the first Union Minister of Education as the “National

> Education Day†every year.  In this connection, attached

herewith

> please find an article of mine on changing dynamics in higher

> education published today in a regional English Daily.  Though

the

> article does not deal with medical education in particular, it

> concerns higher education in general. Article presents a brief

> overview of the proceedings and recommendations of an expert level

> panel discussion organized by the Academic Staff College of the

> University of Kashmir in association with Indian Institute of

> > Public Administration, Kashmir Chapter at Srinagar on November

> 1st, 2008. Veteran academicians of the state including principals

> of several degree colleges and noted academicians of the

> Universities of Kashmir and Jammu participated in the panel

> discussion, of which I happened to function as the Rapporteur. To

> view the published version of the article click on the link below:

> > http://www.greaterk ashmir.com/ full_story. asp?Date=

> 11_11_2008 & ItemID= 14 & cat=12

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> > http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

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> > Wishing you a fruitful Education Day. With kind regards

> >  

> > Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

> > Assistant Professor

> > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

> > University of Kashmir

> > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

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Thanks Dr Santosh for supporting my views. Can you share with us what evaluation methods have been adopted by your department?

Mira > > From: drkiranvbarar <drkiranvbarar@

....>> Subject: Re: Discussion on evaluation methods> netrumgroups (DOT) com> Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 9:04 PM> > > > > > > Ma'm!! can we all unanimously pressurize MCI to ask our all > universities to be same as regards syllabus+evaluation method> (s)/system(s) in both theory n practicals??> MCI & UNIV. dont match at times...> > Dr.KiranVBarar> > > > > > From: Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@ ..>> > Subject: NATIONAL EDUCATION DAY> > netrumgroups (DOT) com> > Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members:> > > > Today a new discussion on Evaluation methods in medical education > is going to be moderated by Prof. Mira Madam. What better occasion > to start a discussion on medical education than on "National > Education Day", that is today. Department of Higher Education, > Ministry of Human Resource Development, Government of India has > decided to observe 11th November, birthday of Maulana Abul Kalam > Azad, the first Union Minister of Education as the

“National > Education Day†every year. In this connection, attached herewith > please find an article of mine on changing dynamics in higher > education published today in a regional English Daily. Though the > article does not deal with medical education in particular, it > concerns higher education in general. Article presents a brief > overview of the proceedings and recommendations of an expert level > panel discussion organized by the Academic Staff College of the > University of Kashmir in association with Indian Institute of> > Public Administration, Kashmir Chapter at Srinagar on November > 1st, 2008. Veteran academicians of the state including principals > of several degree colleges and noted academicians of the > Universities of Kashmir and Jammu participated in the panel > discussion, of which I happened to

function as the Rapporteur. To > view the published version of the article click on the link below:> > http://www.greaterk ashmir.com/ full_story. asp?Date= > 11_11_2008 & ItemID= 14 & cat=12 > > > > In the event of any difficulty in following the link, log on to > www.greaterkashmir. com and click over the Op-Ed page link.> > > > To view and download full report of the proceedings of the panel > discussion, log on to my website given below:> > > > http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com > > > > Wishing you a fruitful Education Day. With kind regards > > > > Dr. Geer M. Ishaq> > Assistant Professor> > Dept. of Pharmaceutical

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Thank You Ma'm for the kind suggestions...

We, the 9 medical college's-pharmacology heads really need to sit

together n rewise the practical syllabus atleast,Because, at our

OWN-level,we cant stop the pharmacy/EP exercises, and same is true

to introduce new interventions...

Anyway till the final uniformity is attained in RUHS-colleges,we can

partially and very slowly adopt/look forward for newer evaluation

criteria... Obviously then we have to teach them all may be beyond

present syllabus n that to during that very tenure.

I shall definitely try putting your views/suggestions in the

forthcoming meeting.

Thanx once again.

Regards!

Dr.Kiran V.Barar

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> > From: Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@ ..>

> > Subject: NATIONAL EDUCATION DAY

> > netrumgroups (DOT) com

> > Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:38 AM

> >

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> > Dear Members:

> >  

> > Today a new discussion on Evaluation methods in medical

education

> is going to be moderated by Prof. Mira Madam. What better occasion

> to start a discussion on medical education than on " National

> Education Day " , that is today. Department of Higher Education,

> Ministry of Human Resource Development, Government of India has

> decided to observe 11th November, birthday of Maulana Abul Kalam

> Azad, the first Union Minister of Education as the “National

> Education Day†every year.  In this connection, attached

herewith

> please find an article of mine on changing dynamics in higher

> education published today in a regional English Daily.  Though

the

> article does not deal with medical education in particular, it

> concerns higher education in general. Article presents a brief

> overview of the proceedings and recommendations of an expert level

> panel discussion organized by the Academic Staff College of the

> University of Kashmir in association with Indian Institute of

> > Public Administration, Kashmir Chapter at Srinagar on November

> 1st, 2008. Veteran academicians of the state including principals

> of several degree colleges and noted academicians of the

> Universities of Kashmir and Jammu participated in the panel

> discussion, of which I happened to function as the Rapporteur. To

> view the published version of the article click on the link below:

> > http://www.greaterk ashmir.com/ full_story. asp?Date=

> 11_11_2008 & ItemID= 14 & cat=12

> >  

> > In the event of any difficulty in following the link, log on to

> www.greaterkashmir. com and click over the Op-Ed page link.

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> > To view and download full report of the proceedings of the panel

> discussion, log on to my website given below:

> >  

> > http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

> >  

> > Wishing you a fruitful Education Day. With kind regards

> >  

> > Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

> > Assistant Professor

> > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

> > University of Kashmir

> > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

> > Ph: 9419970971, 9906673100

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Thanks Dr.Santosh!Your kind suggestions are rightfully taken for

furthering it to our VC of Raj.Univ.of Health Sciences.

Regards,

drkiranvbarar

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> > > From: Geer M. Ishaq <ishaqgeer@ ..>

> > > Subject: NATIONAL EDUCATION DAY

> > > netrumgroups (DOT) com

> > > Date: Tuesday, 11 November, 2008, 8:38 AM

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > Dear Members:

> > >  

> > > Today a new discussion on Evaluation methods in medical

> education

> > is going to be moderated by Prof. Mira Madam. What better

occasion

> > to start a discussion on medical education than on " National

> > Education Day " , that is today. Department of Higher Education,

> > Ministry of Human Resource Development, Government of India has

> > decided to observe 11th November, birthday of Maulana Abul Kalam

> > Azad, the first Union Minister of Education as the “National

> > Education Day†every year.  In this connection, attached

> herewith

> > please find an article of mine on changing dynamics in higher

> > education published today in a regional English Daily.  Though

> the

> > article does not deal with medical education in particular, it

> > concerns higher education in general. Article presents a brief

> > overview of the proceedings and recommendations of an expert

level

> > panel discussion organized by the Academic Staff College of the

> > University of Kashmir in association with Indian Institute of

> > > Public Administration, Kashmir Chapter at Srinagar on November

> > 1st, 2008. Veteran academicians of the state including

principals

> > of several degree colleges and noted academicians of the

> > Universities of Kashmir and Jammu participated in the panel

> > discussion, of which I happened to function as the Rapporteur.

To

> > view the published version of the article click on the link

below:

> > > http://www.greaterk ashmir.com/ full_story. asp?Date=

> > 11_11_2008 & ItemID= 14 & cat=12

> > >  

> > > In the event of any difficulty in following the link, log on

to

> > www.greaterkashmir. com and click over the Op-Ed page link.

> > >  

> > > To view and download full report of the proceedings of the

panel

> > discussion, log on to my website given below:

> > >  

> > > http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

> > >  

> > > Wishing you a fruitful Education Day. With kind regards

> > >  

> > > Dr. Geer M. Ishaq

> > > Assistant Professor

> > > Dept. of Pharmaceutical Sciences

> > > University of Kashmir

> > > Srinagar-190006 (J & K)

> > > Ph: 9419970971, 9906673100

> > > Website: http://ishaqgeer. googlepages. com

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