Re: Alternative Medicine; Persectives, Perception and Practice

February 9, 2008

Fellow NetRUMians,

While waiting for your valued contributions on the topic, perhaps we

could whet our appetite with this introduction.

Alternative Medicine refers to all other means of healing or treating

diseases than conventional (orthodox) medicine. Various authorities

have included Chiropractic, Homeopathy, Ayurveda, Yoga, Siddha,

Unani, Naturopathy, Acupunture and Faith Healing. The practice of

alternative medicine is well regulated in most western countries but

not so in most of the southern countries where regulation is non-

existent.

There is either a dearth of information about or there is actual lack

of means of diagnosis with respect to the various alternative healing

systems. Thus, claims have remained justifiably suspect. In cases

where alternative systems attempt to make diagnosis the orthodox

means have been employed. Alternative systems are lacking in

standardization of diagnosis, treatment and monitoring though the

practitioners would dismiss such notion as bias.

Alternative medicine often thrives in areas where standardized

practice is inaccessible and/or poor knowledge about conventional

medicine exists. Poor accessibility may result from absolute or

relative lack of fund or inadequacy of necessary facilities. In most

developing countries the issues subsist. Usually alternative

medicine practitioners practice in their places of origin and amongst

their own people. Often, similar techniques or medications are

employed for varied ailments and in most cases metaphysical and some

belief systems are involved. Great emphasis is often placed

on `vital forces', `flow of energy' and imbalance of `vital forces'.

These terms are at best poorly understood if not too vague.

Alternative medicine practitioners believe that their remedies are

devoid of untoward effects, an idea that is alien to science-based

conventional medicine.

Fatai Fehintola,

University of Ibadan Medical School

Ibadan, Nigeria

>

> Fellow NetRUMians,

> I am very delighted to moderate this next topic titled " Alternative

> Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is

> coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on the

> irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further

> showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to the

> provision of standard health care for us – the Southerners.

>

> My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of

> Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University of

> Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur workshop

> on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to meet

> Dr Vijay Thawani.

>

> For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across the

> Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar

> situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has made

it

> more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a global

> village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to back

up

> their claims.

>

> We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative

> medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative

> medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the

> future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

questions

> but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with practical

> examples.

>

> Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years in

> terms of all!

>

February 10, 2008

Welcome Dr. Fatai madam,

Accupuncture is a type of alternative medicine, Hereby I have copied a mail from Physician's First Watch as fair use, for NetRUM members relared to accupuncture therapy.

Women Given Acupuncture at Embryo Transfer Do Better in IVFGiving women acupuncture as a complementary therapy around the time of embryo transfer seems to heighten the success rate of in vitro fertilization (IVF), a BMJ meta-analysis reports.Investigators evaluated seven randomized trials comprising nearly 1400 women during single cycles of IVF. Eligible trials used either sham acupuncture or no adjuvant treatment in controls, and performed acupuncture within a day of embryo transfer. (Trials using non-needle acupuncture techniques, such as laser or electro-acupuncture, were excluded.)Acupuncture favored success for clinical pregnancy (odds ratio, 1.65), ongoing pregnancy (1.87), and live birth (1.91). The investigators calculated an NNT of 10 to achieve one additional clinical pregnancy.The authors say estimates of the effects of acupuncture on IVF are "significant and

clinically relevant," albeit "somewhat preliminary," given the need for more confirmatory data.

Full article is freely available from the site mentioned below.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/bmj.39471.430451.BEv1?q=rss_homeDR.SHILPA JADAVASSISTANT PROFESSOR,DEPARTMENT OF PHARMACOLOGY,M.P.SHAH MEDICAL COLLEGE,JAMNAGAR-361008

GUJARATINDIA

From: fentolamine <fentolamine@...>Subject: Alternative Medicine; Persectives, Perception and Practicenetrum Date: Sunday, 10 February, 2008, 12:10 PM

Fellow NetRUMians,I am very delighted to moderate this next topic titled "Alternative Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on the irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to the provision of standard health care for us â€“ the Southerners. My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur workshop on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to meet Dr Vijay Thawani. For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across the Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has made it more

imperative with the advent of "cure-all" remedies and practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a global village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to back up their claims. We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask questions but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with practical examples.Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years in terms of all!

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February 10, 2008

Hi Fatai,

Welcome as moderator on NetRUM.

Internationally earlier we had Ram from Nepal and now we have you

from Nigeria as moderator.

I am sure that we all will gain from your knowledge and experience.

Vijay

>

> Fellow NetRUMians,

> I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

titled " Alternative

> Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is

> coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on the

> irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further

> showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to the

> provision of standard health care for us – the Southerners.

>

> My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of

> Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University of

> Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur

workshop

> on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to

meet

> Dr Vijay Thawani.

>

> For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across the

> Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar

> situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has made

it

> more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a

global

> village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to back

up

> their claims.

>

> We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative

> medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative

> medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the

> future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

questions

> but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with practical

> examples.

>

> Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years in

> terms of all!

>

February 10, 2008

Hi,

I feel that " alternative " word means that it is secondary to

something else. Actually it refers to " traditional " medicine and

hence it is older, time tested, widely practiced than other systems

of medicines, including modern medicine.Hence the traditional

medicine, by what ever name called, has right to exist and be

practiced as a primary system in the society.

Similiarly the words " complimentary " , " orthodox " , " supplimentary "

which are used to refer to the traditional medicine also connote a

wrong meaning.

I await enlightenment.

Vijay

> >

> > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

titled " Alternative

> > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is

> > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on

the

> > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further

> > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to the

> > provision of standard health care for us – the Southerners.

> >

> > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of

> > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University

of

> > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur

workshop

> > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to

meet

> > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> >

> > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across

the

> > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar

> > situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has

made

> it

> > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a

global

> > village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to

back

> up

> > their claims.

> >

> > We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative

> > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative

> > medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the

> > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

> questions

> > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with

practical

> > examples.

> >

> > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years

in

> > terms of all!

> >

>

February 10, 2008

Hi,

There seems to be gender error. Fatai is a He and not she.

We do post photos of all moderators in the Photos (see left margin).

Unfortunately picture of Dr Fatai has not been uploaded so far.

The moment any picture is uploaded the top of this window announces

that.

So once we receive the picture we will upload for all to view the

moderator.

Never mind Shilpa.

Vijay

February 10, 2008

Many thanks for the info Dr Jadav, let's have more of such insightful

comments, pls.

Fatai, Nigeria

February 10, 2008

Grateful Dr Thawani,

Alternative, folk medicine and likes suggests either inadequate

appreciation of or disregard for what should actually be referred to

as primary. It is ironic that the traditional medicine has actually

lost its primacy to modern medicine, but why did it happen? The

reason may not be unconnected with attitude, practice and poor

attention of the concerned people themselves. Most medical scientists

see traditional medicine almost as synonymous with quackery and

sometimes with witchcraft. The WHO describes Traditional Medicine as

medical knowledge systems, which developed over centuries within

various societies before the era of modern medicine. No doubt there

are values but major problems and misconcepions are also associated

with the various traditional medicine systems.

Fatai, Nigeria

> > >

> > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> titled " Alternative

> > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is

> > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on

> the

> > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further

> > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to

the

> > > provision of standard health care for us – the Southerners.

> > >

> > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of

> > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University

> of

> > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur

> workshop

> > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to

> meet

> > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > >

> > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across

> the

> > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar

> > > situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has

> made

> > it

> > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a

> global

> > > village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to

> back

> > up

> > > their claims.

> > >

> > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative

> > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative

> > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the

> > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

> > questions

> > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with

> practical

> > > examples.

> > >

> > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years

> in

> > > terms of all!

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2008

Dear Shilpa ,

I went through the report sent by you. I was interested in knowing how a sham acupuncture is done for control group. Anyone with some idea ?kunda

From: fentolamine <fentolamine>Subject: Alternative Medicine; Persectives, Perception and Practicenetrumgroups (DOT) comDate: Sunday, 10 February, 2008, 12:10 PM

Fellow NetRUMians,I am very delighted to moderate this next topic titled "Alternative Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic is coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on the irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to the provision of standard health care for us â€“ the Southerners. My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur workshop on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate to meet Dr Vijay Thawani. For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across the Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The peculiar situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has made it more

imperative with the advent of "cure-all" remedies and practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a global village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to back up their claims. We will therefore need to consider what constitute alternative medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative medicine systems and how to standard the practice including the future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask questions but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with practical examples.Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light years in terms of all!

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February 11, 2008

Dear ALL,

Can we dwell on misconceptions and other major issues associated with

traditional medicine systems drawing on our regional, continental

specifics? All are in agreement that traditional medicine is as old

as humanity and no people is without its indigenous medicine

practice. It is also agreable that these systems existed before the

art of writing and therefore oral transmission was the rule at the

early stage. The art of writing has eased transmission in some

cultures but oral transmission is stll largely used in Africa. While

it is true that traditional healers often use nonconventional means

in the treatment methods, the remedies employed by herbalist could be

verified. A herbalist is not necessarily an 'Ifa' priest or a

witch. The connotation that science is the only knowledge system and

that only what science can prove can stand need to be scrutinised.

For example what makes the theory of natural evolution 'scientific'

and thus distinguishable from astrology when neither can be

replicated or reproduced? Or would the tested charms that the

adherents have 'confirmed' be discredited for lack of scientific

proof? Ayurveda, Acupunture have been used for centruries in India-

China region, how far has science been used to verify such?

Artemisia anua has been a source of remedy for malaria since BC, only

in less than 30 years has it come to be accepted by western medicine,

could similar conclussions be reached about many other remedies if

only we could be a bit tolerant!!!

Fatai,NIGERIA

> > > >

> > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > titled " Alternative

> > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This topic

is

> > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion on

> > the

> > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to further

> > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment to

> the

> > > > provision of standard health care for us – the Southerners.

> > > >

> > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department of

> > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine,

University

> > of

> > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur

> > workshop

> > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was fortunate

to

> > meet

> > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > >

> > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from across

> > the

> > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The

peculiar

> > > > situation with especial reference to alternative medicine has

> > made

> > > it

> > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been a

> > global

> > > > village while making references to the Indian subcontinent to

> > back

> > > up

> > > > their claims.

> > > >

> > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

alternative

> > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of alternative

> > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice including

the

> > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

> > > questions

> > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with

> > practical

> > > > examples.

> > > >

> > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light

years

> > in

> > > > terms of all!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Hi,

The traditional medicineof India, The Ayrurveda (science of

life) has been relegated to secondary position because of over

popularity of the other systems. The organised hype surrounding the

other systems has affected growth of TM. Often the TM is criticised

that it is not evidence based as modern medicine (MM). True, that MM

has prospered by leaps in the last 60 years and poses to be more

evidence based.

TM has suffered because the neo-rich do not practice it and look

down upon it. In spite of the tax concessions,TM products have

limited clientele. The tax concessions offered for TM is effectively

exploited by TNCs bylabelling their products as Ayurvedic in India.

This junk sells because of media publicity, ads and promotion.

Vijay Thawani

> > > > >

> > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This

topic

> is

> > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated discussion

on

> > > the

> > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to

further

> > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment

to

> > the

> > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

Southerners.

> > > > >

> > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the Department

of

> > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine,

> University

> > > of

> > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of Jaipur

> > > workshop

> > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

fortunate

> to

> > > meet

> > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from

across

> > > the

> > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The

> peculiar

> > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative medicine

has

> > > made

> > > > it

> > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies and

> > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world been

a

> > > global

> > > > > village while making references to the Indian subcontinent

to

> > > back

> > > > up

> > > > > their claims.

> > > > >

> > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

> alternative

> > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

alternative

> > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice

including

> the

> > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely ask

> > > > questions

> > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with

> > > practical

> > > > > examples.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light

> years

> > > in

> > > > > terms of all!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Good talk sir,

You have hit the nail right on the head.

Those neo rich are also pretentious as they patronise TM behind the

scenes. Evidence base is another reason for claim to superiority by

MM but what constitutes the " evidence " ? Healing existed in India and

other parts of the World long before MM, or do we doubt that

assertion? What of acupunture in China, does it treat ailments

though we may not know the mechanism? Apitherapy is well known in the

Americas, still a lot has been said about uses of honey in the

treatment of ailments. Let us have more insightful comments, please.

Fatai, Nigeria

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This

> topic

> > is

> > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

discussion

> on

> > > > the

> > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to

> further

> > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the commitment

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> Southerners.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

Department

> of

> > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine,

> > University

> > > > of

> > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of

Jaipur

> > > > workshop

> > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

> fortunate

> > to

> > > > meet

> > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from

> across

> > > > the

> > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The

> > peculiar

> > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative medicine

> has

> > > > made

> > > > > it

> > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies

and

> > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world

been

> a

> > > > global

> > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

subcontinent

> to

> > > > back

> > > > > up

> > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

> > alternative

> > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

> alternative

> > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice

> including

> > the

> > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely

ask

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points with

> > > > practical

> > > > > > examples.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 light

> > years

> > > > in

> > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Hi,

Here is the fact sheet from WHO on TM.

Vijay

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Fact sheet N° 271

June

TRADITIONAL AND ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

FACTS AND FIGURES

General

Up to 80% of people in the south use traditional or

complementary/alternative medicine (TM/CAM) as part of primary

health care

Traditional medicine has been fully integrated into the health

systems of China, North and South Korea and Viet Nam

In western countries, growing numbers of patients rely on

alternative medicine for preventive or palliative care

In France, 75% of the population has used complementary medicine at

least once

In Germany, 77% of pain clinics provide acupuncture

The global market for traditional therapies stands at US$ 60 billion

a year and is steadily growing

In the USA, expenditure on complementary or alternative medicine

stands at US$ 2.7 billion per year

About 25% of modern medicines are descended from plants first used

traditionally

The Chinese herbal remedy Artemisia annua has been found to be

effective against resistant malaria and could give hope of

preventing many of the 800 000 deaths among children from severe

malaria each year

The efficacy of acupuncture in relieving pain and nausea has been

well established

Convincing evidence shows that therapies such as hypnosis and

relaxation techniques can alleviate anxiety, panic disorders and

insomnia

Other studies have shown that yoga can reduce asthma attacks while

tai ji techniques can help the elderly reduce their fear of falls

In Africa, North America and Europe, three out of four people living

with HIV/AIDS use some form of traditional or complementary

treatment for various symptoms and conditions

In South Africa, studies on the plant Sutherlandia microphylla show

efficacy in increasing energy, appetite and body mass in people

living with HIV

Asia and Pacific

Australia

Traditional Chinese medicine has been practised in Australia since

the 19th century

Approximately AU$ 1 billion is spent on complementary/alternative

medicine

Bhutan

More than 2990 medicinal plants are used in Bhutanese traditional

medicines

About 70% of raw materials for herbal preparations are available in

the country

There are more than 300 herbal products produced in Bhutan

China

Traditional Chinese medicine is fully integrated into China's health

system

95% of Chinese hospitals have units for traditional medicine

Traditional medicine accounts for 30-50% of total consumption

There are 800 manufacturers of herbal products with a total annual

output of US$ 1.8 billion

India

Ayurveda, Siddha and Unani systems of medicine have coexisted with

yoga, naturopathy and homeopathy for centuries

Traditional medicine is widely used in India, particularly in rural

areas, where 70% of the population lives

2860 Indian hospitals provide traditional Indian medicine

Indonesia

40% of Indonesia's population uses traditional medicine; 70% in

rural areas

At the end of 1999, there were 723 manufacturers of traditional

medicines, 92 of which were large-scale industries

Japan

In 2000 the herbal medicine market in Japan was worth US$ 2.4 billion

An October 2000 survey showed that 72% of registered western-style

doctors use kampo medicine (the Japanese adaptation of Chinese

medicine) in their clinical services

Thailand

Thai traditional medicine draws from Chinese and Indian traditions

In 1993, Thailand established the National Institute of TRaditional

Medicine

By 1999, Thai traditional medicine was integrated into the

facilities of 1120 health centres

Viet Nam

Traditional and oriental medicines are fully integrated into Viet

Nam's health system

30% of patients receive treatment with traditional medicine

The Viet Nam National Association of Acupuncture has 18.000 members,

4.500 of whom work in public hospitals

The Traditional Medicine Strategy can be accessed on:

http://wwwwhoint/medicines/organization/trm/orgtrmmainshtml

For further information please contact a Bagozzi,

Communications Officer, Health Technology and Pharmaceuticals, WHO,

tel +41 22 791 45 44 or +41 79 475 54 90All WHO Press Releases, Fact

Sheets and Features as well as other information on this subject can

be obtained on Internet on the WHO home page http://www.who.int/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. This

> > topic

> > > is

> > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> discussion

> > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to

> > further

> > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the

commitment

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> > Southerners.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> Department

> > of

> > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine,

> > > University

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of

> Jaipur

> > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

> > fortunate

> > > to

> > > > > meet

> > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences from

> > across

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do. The

> > > peculiar

> > > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative

medicine

> > has

> > > > > made

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " remedies

> and

> > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world

> been

> > a

> > > > > global

> > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> subcontinent

> > to

> > > > > back

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

> > > alternative

> > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

> > alternative

> > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice

> > including

> > > the

> > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to merely

> ask

> > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points

with

> > > > > practical

> > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5

light

> > > years

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Thanks sir,

Need we search for further evidence?

Fatai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice.

This

> > > topic

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> > discussion

> > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped to

> > > further

> > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the

> commitment

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> > Department

> > > of

> > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine,

> > > > University

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of

> > Jaipur

> > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

> > > fortunate

> > > > to

> > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences

from

> > > across

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do.

The

> > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative

> medicine

> > > has

> > > > > > made

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

remedies

> > and

> > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the world

> > been

> > > a

> > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> > subcontinent

> > > to

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

> > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

> > > alternative

> > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice

> > > including

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to

merely

> > ask

> > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points

> with

> > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5

> light

> > > > years

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Hi Fatai,

That was a fast reply. So we two are discussing the topic till

others are enjoying reading us. Dont worry it happens. Slowly they

will join the discussion.

No, we dont need further eveidence. Hence I posted the fact sheet.

People use TM in homes but are shy of admitting it.

All use turmeric in regular cooking, most consume honey, Basil

(Tulsi) is reverred, various condiments are used in

cooking.......yet there is resistance in admitting that TM is

practiced.

Vijay

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice.

> This

> > > > topic

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> > > discussion

> > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped

to

> > > > further

> > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the

> > commitment

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> > > Department

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

Medicine,

> > > > > University

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part

of

> > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

> > > > fortunate

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences

> from

> > > > across

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do.

> The

> > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative

> > medicine

> > > > has

> > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

> remedies

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the

world

> > > been

> > > > a

> > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> > > subcontinent

> > > > to

> > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute

> > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

> > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice

> > > > including

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to

> merely

> > > ask

> > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points

> > with

> > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about

4.5

> > light

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Thanks Dr Vijay and Dr Fatai,

It was very interesting reading the posts. I wonder if we could integrate traditional medicine with modern medicine in our hospitals? Presently what we have are different hospitals for practicing these different systems of medicine.

We do however have homeopathy graduates working with us managing our ICUs and wards as ward supervisors (which is a lesser status than junior residents) and I find they are quite good as they easily follow most of our discussions and participate.

The reason we cannot give herbs to our patients (although I would have loved to have distributed Artemesin as Quinghaousu herbs to our malaria patients) is because modern medicine (present day science) believes in dealing with quantifiable entities and herbs would be perhaps more difficult to quantify than molecules (agian this may be debatable).

Interestingly at one point of time when present day traditional medicine was actually practiced as modern medicine it would have been held to be rational usage of medicine but the same today wouldn't. Guess this raises interesting questions on the nature of rationality and how it may be context dependent and subject to change as well?

rakesh

On 2/11/08, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi Fatai,That was a fast reply. So we two are discussing the topic till others are enjoying reading us. Dont worry it happens. Slowly they will join the discussion.No, we dont need further eveidence. Hence I posted the fact sheet.

People use TM in homes but are shy of admitting it.All use turmeric in regular cooking, most consume honey, Basil (Tulsi) is reverred, various condiments are used in cooking.......yet there is resistance in admitting that TM is

practiced.Vijay > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,> > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > > > titled " Alternative > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice. > This > > > > topic > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated > > > discussion > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is hoped

to > > > > further > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the > > commitment > > > > to > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the > > > > Southerners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> > > Department > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of Medicine, > > > > > University > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part of > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > workshop > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was

> > > > fortunate > > > > > to > > > > > > > meet > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences > from > > > > across > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do.

> The > > > > > peculiar > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative > > medicine > > > > has > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all " > remedies > > > and > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the

world > > > been > > > > a > > > > > > > global > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian > > > subcontinent

> > > > to > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > their claims. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute > > > > > alternative > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons of

> > > > alternative > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice > > > > including > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to

> merely > > > ask > > > > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points > > with > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > examples.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about 4.5 > > light

> > > > > years > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > terms of all!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 11, 2008

Hi Rakesh,

I will comment about the Indian scenario and leave the rest for

moderator Dr Fatai to comment.

In India Ayurvedic products are prescribed by even MM, even though

it is covered under " cross practice " and forbidden by Indian law.

Hence integration is a distant cry since legally it is " quackery "

and persons indulging in are " charltans " . The MM practitioners are

warned not to write prescriptions with medicines which are not from

their own pathy in which they are trained. However we are aware that

many TM formulations are orally advised to the patients by

practitioners of MM, even if the same are not prescribed in writing.

Ayurvedic medicines for hepatitis, arthritis, immuno stimulation,

cognition enhancement, anti oxidant effect, piles and many more

conditions are popular.So are many cosmetic products containing

turmeric, which have staggering sales.

Self consumption of many Ayurvedic products prospers since these are

available OTC. Some products like " Chawanprash " are heavily

advertised, sold and consumed.During our household survey on

medicines stocked by English speaking, literate residents of Nagpur

we found that most were stocking Ayurvedic medicines in their

homes.Without having the conflict of interest by taking the brand

names, it can be shared that heavily advertised irrational

preparations of TNCs under the label of Ayurvedic formulations

(rubs, balms,counter irritants, chawanprash) were found in > 75% of

the homes.

Since health is under perview of State Govt, some State Govts like

Maharashtra have started integration. Our institution is from MM but

has a Vaidya available in OPD and patients have the choice, should

they prefer to register for his Ayurvedic outdoor services.

India is doing good in export of herbal medicines including

developed economies like US, where the quality requirements are

there. However US is known to import the herbs or extracts and

processes the formulations there.

But in India we do have some companies which are formulating the

herbals under Ayurvedic label (they qualify to be called Ayurvedic

since references of these are available in Ayurvedic texts) which

are as good as MM in terms of quality and standardization.

Artemesin is available as MM formulation of tablets from some

companies in India, is being promoted in MM hospitals by the

manufacturers, advertised in journals read by us and also prescribed.

Vijay Thawani

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

Practice.

> > > This

> > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> > > > > discussion

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is

hoped

> > to

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the

> > > > commitment

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> > > > > Department

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > Medicine,

> > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part

> > of

> > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I

was

> > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

experiences

> > > from

> > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so

do.

> > > The

> > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

alternative

> > > > medicine

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

> > > remedies

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the

> > world

> > > > > been

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

constitute

> > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons

of

> > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

practice

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to

> > > merely

> > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our

points

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about

> > 4.5

> > > > light

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2008

Dear NetRUM colleagues, Hope you are keeping well with your jobs and esteemed family members If you would like to go to South Africa, so then this will be a great opportunity for you to go and attend the seminar. Attached you will find the tentative agenda and registration form Best Regards Bashaar

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February 11, 2008

Integrating practice of Traditional MEdicine and Modern medicine in hospital set-ups (in private clinic) is ideal, however, to what extent it will be acceptable to the practitioners remains to be seen.

Without legally being termed as " Qauckery " , this can be done in the following way :

1. Hospital has facility of Homeopath, Ayurvedic doctor, and allopathic doctor/s (and other recognized systems...)

2. PAtients are given a choice to which type of system they choose, and accordingly they go to that doctor.

3. That particular doctor then decides if the particluar situation/case can be best dealt with his sytem, or should it be considered by another system. Any referral to other system is to be done by mutual consent of patient.

4. Cases can also be decided mutually by doctors of the various systems - regarding which system is best for the patient. If 2 or more systems are recommended for a patient, the prescription for each of the system is written by respective doctor. This is sort of a joint practice with mutual discussions.

5. The other approved systems of medicine (in India) - Yoga, NAturopathy, Siddha, and Unani - can also be considered in this integration. (other systems - acupuncture, magnetotherapy, Reiki,..etc... are not yet approved in India).

This would be truly integration of systems. It sounds tough, but it depends on the doctors.

There is a chance, that by this, homeopathy or ayurveda may win, but the allopathic doctor must be ready to accept that for some/many/most of the cases other systems would benefit more. It could be difficult to find such a doctor/s.

What I have tried to paint is an " ideal " picture. Practicaly, it may be difficult to find such right combinations, but it is not impossible.

Being a Pharmacist dealing with almost all systems of medicine, with insight into each one, I feel, such an integration would work very well in the interest of the patient.

Raj VAidya

Community Pharmacist

Panaji - Goa

On 2/12/08, Vijay <drvijaythawani@...> wrote:

Hi Rakesh,I will comment about the Indian scenario and leave the rest for moderator Dr Fatai to comment.In India Ayurvedic products are prescribed by even MM, even though it is covered under " cross practice " and forbidden by Indian law.

Hence integration is a distant cry since legally it is " quackery " and persons indulging in are " charltans " . The MM practitioners are warned not to write prescriptions with medicines which are not from

their own pathy in which they are trained. However we are aware that many TM formulations are orally advised to the patients by practitioners of MM, even if the same are not prescribed in writing. Ayurvedic medicines for hepatitis, arthritis, immuno stimulation,

cognition enhancement, anti oxidant effect, piles and many more conditions are popular.So are many cosmetic products containing turmeric, which have staggering sales. Self consumption of many Ayurvedic products prospers since these are

available OTC. Some products like " Chawanprash " are heavily advertised, sold and consumed.During our household survey on medicines stocked by English speaking, literate residents of Nagpur we found that most were stocking Ayurvedic medicines in their

homes.Without having the conflict of interest by taking the brand names, it can be shared that heavily advertised irrational preparations of TNCs under the label of Ayurvedic formulations (rubs, balms,counter irritants, chawanprash) were found in > 75% of

the homes.Since health is under perview of State Govt, some State Govts like Maharashtra have started integration. Our institution is from MM but has a Vaidya available in OPD and patients have the choice, should

they prefer to register for his Ayurvedic outdoor services.India is doing good in export of herbal medicines including developed economies like US, where the quality requirements are there. However US is known to import the herbs or extracts and

processes the formulations there.But in India we do have some companies which are formulating the herbals under Ayurvedic label (they qualify to be called Ayurvedic since references of these are available in Ayurvedic texts) which

are as good as MM in terms of quality and standardization.Artemesin is available as MM formulation of tablets from some companies in India, is being promoted in MM hospitals by the manufacturers, advertised in journals read by us and also prescribed.

Vijay Thawani> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,> > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic> > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice.> > > This> > > > > > topic> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> > > > > discussion> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is

hoped> > to> > > > > > further> > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the> > > > commitment> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the> > > > > > Southerners.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the> > > > > Department> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > Medicine,> > > > > > > University> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part

> > of> > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > workshop> > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I was> > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > meet> > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share experiences> > > from> > > > > > across> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so do.> > > The> > > > > > > peculiar> > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

alternative> > > > medicine> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

> > > remedies> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the> > world> > > > > been> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > global> > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian> > > > > subcontinent> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > back> > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > their claims.> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what constitute> > > > > > > alternative> > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons

of> > > > > > alternative> > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the practice> > > > > > including> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to> > > merely> > > > > ask> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our points> > > > with> > > > > > > > > practical> > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about> > 4.5> > > > light> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >

> >> > > >>

February 11, 2008

Thanks Rakesh,

Good comments. No one can flaw those insightful comments with

particular reference to dose determination in respect of herbal

preparations. I share in that concerns but might be we should look a

way round that challenge, perhaps by establishing some form of Good

Manufacturing Practice (GMP) and other standardization techinques and

allowing people to access their choice afterall there is so much hype

about free market!!! In fact such tolerant attitude will expose

charlatants amongst the TM practitioners and safe lives in the long

run (i hope am not too optimistic!).

Fatai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic

> > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and Practice.

> > > This

> > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated

> > > > > discussion

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is

hoped

> > to

> > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the

> > > > commitment

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the

> > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the

> > > > > Department

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > Medicine,

> > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part

> > of

> > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I

was

> > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

experiences

> > > from

> > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so

do.

> > > The

> > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to alternative

> > > > medicine

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

> > > remedies

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the

> > world

> > > > > been

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

constitute

> > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons

of

> > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

practice

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to

> > > merely

> > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our

points

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by about

> > 4.5

> > > > light

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 12, 2008

Dear Raj and Vijay,

Many thanks to Raj for those comments especially on the issue of

integration which was described as 'tough'. I think integration is a

good long term idea/ideal but in the short term might be peoples and

governments should come to terms with TM and be truthful in their

dealings. The systems could be allowed to operate side by side and

each patients/clients permitted by the law to consult volountarily

whatever system they desire while ensuring transparency (especially

considering interactions).

Dr Vijay is greatly appreciated for his great contributions and

unparalleled consistency. The expose is highly appreciated and will

recommend that we all follow in his footsteps. May I seize this

opportunity to request consideration of adverse effects and

interactions with respect to herbal remedies/TM. The practitioners

often claim a near absolute safety here in Nigeria, what happens

across the oceans? Some of the practices too are not wholesome, what

should be done, may be strict regulation and proper guidelines in a

open setting? For example, in Nigeria, some of the practices of the

alternative medicine practitioners can be considered actually to be

harmful. Tonsilitis had sometimes been treated with uvulectomy and

both the patient and the practitioner had often felt `fulfilled'.

Such wounds may be infected with serious consequences and pulmonary

complications are very probable. Swellings are often managed with

scarification and application of mixtures unto the wound surface. It

is instructive that such actions could be attended by untoward

events. However, on the contrary the practitioners are apt to claim

absolute safety oftentimes assuming evident- adverse effect as

potency of the medication!

Fatai, Nigeria

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next

topic

> > > > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

> > Practice.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well

moderated

> > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is

> > hoped

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and

the

> > > > > > commitment

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us –

the

> > > > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in

the

> > > > > > > Department

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > > > Medicine,

> > > > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be

part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where

I

> > was

> > > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

> > experiences

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to

so

> > do.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

> > alternative

> > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-

all "

> > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on

the

> > > > world

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the

Indian

> > > > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

> > constitute

> > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and

cons

> > of

> > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

> > practice

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not

to

> > > > > merely

> > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our

> > points

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by

about

> > > > 4.5

> > > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 12, 2008

An article on the same topic A plea for the inclusion of ayurveda in to modern medicine in the the national medical journal of india. (Natl Med J India 2007;20;6:311) Dr. Viral ShahFatai FEHINTOLA <fentolamine@...> wrote: Dear Raj and Vijay,Many thanks to Raj for those comments especially on the issue of integration which was described as 'tough'. I think integration is a good long term idea/ideal but in the short term might be peoples and governments should come to terms with TM and be

truthful in their dealings. The systems could be allowed to operate side by side and each patients/clients permitted by the law to consult volountarily whatever system they desire while ensuring transparency (especially considering interactions). Dr Vijay is greatly appreciated for his great contributions and unparalleled consistency. The expose is highly appreciated and will recommend that we all follow in his footsteps. May I seize this opportunity to request consideration of adverse effects and interactions with respect to herbal remedies/TM. The practitioners often claim a near absolute safety here in Nigeria, what happens across the oceans? Some of the practices too are not wholesome, what should be done, may be strict regulation and proper guidelines in a open setting? For example, in Nigeria, some of the practices of the alternative medicine practitioners can be considered actually to be harmful.

Tonsilitis had sometimes been treated with uvulectomy and both the patient and the practitioner had often felt `fulfilled'. Such wounds may be infected with serious consequences and pulmonary complications are very probable. Swellings are often managed with scarification and application of mixtures unto the wound surface. It is instructive that such actions could be attended by untoward events. However, on the contrary the practitioners are apt to claim absolute safety oftentimes assuming evident- adverse effect as potency of the medication! Fatai, Nigeria> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next topic> > > > > > > > > > > titled "Alternative> > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and> > Practice.> > > > > This> > > > > > > > topic> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well moderated> > > > > > > discussion> > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is> > hoped> > > > to> > > > > > > >

further> > > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and the> > > > > > commitment> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us – the> > > > > > > > Southerners.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in the> > > > > > > Department> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of> > > > Medicine,> > > > > > > > > University> > > > > > > > > >

> of> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be part> > > > of> > > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > workshop> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where I> > was> > > > > > > > fortunate> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > meet> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share> > experiences> > > > > from> > > > > > > > across> > > > > > > > >

> > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to so> > do.> > > > > The> > > > > > > > > peculiar> > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to> > alternative> > > > > > medicine> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > made> > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of "cure-all"> > > > > remedies> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on the> > > > world> > > > > > > been> >

> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > global> > > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian> > > > > > > subcontinent> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > back> > > > > > > > > > > > up> > > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what> > constitute> > > > > > > > > alternative> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and cons> > of> > > > > > > > alternative> >

> > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the> > practice> > > > > > > > including> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not to> > > > > merely> > > > > > > ask> > > > > > > > > > > > questions> > > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our> > points> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > practical> > > > > > > > > > > > > examples.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by

about> > > > 4.5> > > > > > light> > > > > > > > > years> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

February 12, 2008

Hi Viral Shah,

Many thanks for the reference, i 'll look it up but will appreciate

if you would kindly avail MetRUMians an access to this reference as

was done by Vijay.

Fatai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next

> topic

> > > > > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

> > > Practice.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well

> moderated

> > > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements

is

> > > hoped

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians

and

> the

> > > > > > > commitment

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us –

> the

> > > > > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture

in

> the

> > > > > > > > Department

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > > > > Medicine,

> > > > > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to

be

> part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago

where

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

> > > experiences

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait

to

> so

> > > do.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

> > > alternative

> > > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-

> all "

> > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought

on

> the

> > > > > world

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the

> Indian

> > > > > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

> > > constitute

> > > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and

> cons

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

> > > practice

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us

not

> to

> > > > > > merely

> > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing

our

> > > points

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by

> about

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ---------------------------------

> Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin.

>

February 12, 2008

Hi,

If it is the patient interest paramount then integration must be

attempted.

For clinical trials on herbals, Ayurvedic medicines there is

requirement of an Ayurvedic vaidya being a co-investigator. It is

being done to get the EC approval. Hence such symbiosis for patient

treatment is possible.

Vijay Thawani

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next

topic

> > > > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

> > Practice.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well

moderated

> > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements

is

> > hoped

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and

the

> > > > > > commitment

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us –

the

> > > > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture

in the

> > > > > > > Department

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > > > Medicine,

> > > > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be

part

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago

where I

> > was

> > > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

> > experiences

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to

so

> > do.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

> > alternative

> > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-

all "

> > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought

on the

> > > > world

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the

Indian

> > > > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

> > constitute

> > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and

cons

> > of

> > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

> > practice

> > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us

not to

> > > > > merely

> > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our

> > points

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by

about

> > > > 4.5

> > > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 12, 2008

Hi,

The consciousness and understanding on the Herbal/ Ayurvedic

industry seems to be percolating that for their survival and then

growth, GMP is must. Many such industries are reforming and only

time will be the testimony that who strive to achieve the GMP will

survive and other go into oblivion.

If the same pharmacies can sell medicines of all the pathies, there

is no reason why integration of TM can not be attempted.

It is pitiable that national heritage, country's science is not

being integrated for the welfare of its citizenry. Some welfare

State this!

Have a look at China, Korea, Japan and many other countries which

have given due place to their respective TM. Why other countries can

not do it? It requires will to do !

Those who keep spending their valuable executive time in removing

Directors of medical institutions, playing politics to ensure their

memberships so that can continue to be involved in running the

institutions after going out of power, naturally will not have time

to attend to such vital policy issues, which need to be addressed on

priority. They refuse to realize theat health of citizenry is

indicator of the health of nation. The state of affairs of The State

are indicative of the affairs of The State.

Vijay

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this next

topic

> > > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

Practice.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well

moderated

> > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional supplements is

> hoped

> > > to

> > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians and

the

> > > > > commitment

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for us –

the

> > > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture in

the

> > > > > > Department

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > > Medicine,

> > > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to be

part

> > > of

> > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago where

I

> was

> > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

> experiences

> > > > from

> > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait to

so

> do.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

alternative

> > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-all "

> > > > remedies

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought on

the

> > > world

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the Indian

> > > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

> constitute

> > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros and

cons

> of

> > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

> practice

> > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us not

to

> > > > merely

> > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing our

> points

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India by

about

> > > 4.5

> > > > > light

> > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 12, 2008

Hi,

The general feeling about the safety of TM is same. People consider

it to be safer than MM. There is false notion that anything which is

natural is safe. In India, most of the TM formulations still lack

quality. There is no clinical data to back up their efficacy. Hardly

any scientific studies are done and published. What is published has

conflict of interest. Most of such industries have their own in-

house journals to beat own drums and publish their own reserach

which is not reviewed by neutral peers. most of the formulations are

multi ingredient making it difficult to identify the " active

ingredient " and scientifically evaluate it. Not all herbals have an

identified marker for estimation in kinetic studies. Researchers

from MM have inbuilt bias to study the herbals/Ayurvedic products in

spite of the facts MM repertoire has many medicines from the same

plant origin.

Vijay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow NetRUMians,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very delighted to moderate this

> > > > > > > > > > > > titled " Alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicine: Perspectives, Perception and

> > > Practice.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > coming on the heels of Anupama's well

> moderated

> > > > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > irrational use of nutritional

supplements is

> > > hoped

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > showcase the scholarship of NetRUMians

and

> the

> > > > > > > commitment

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provision of standard health care for

us –

> the

> > > > > > > > > Southerners.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My name is Dr Fatai Fehintola, I lecture

in

> the

> > > > > > > > Department

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pharmacology and Therapeutics, College of

> > > > > Medicine,

> > > > > > > > > > University

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibadan, Ibadan, Nigeria. I was lucky to

be

> part

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > > > workshop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on Rational Drug Use some 2 years ago

where

> I

> > > was

> > > > > > > > > fortunate

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Vijay Thawani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the next one week I hope to share

> > > experiences

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > across

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atlantic/Indian Ocean and I cannot wait

to

> so

> > > do.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > peculiar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > situation with especial reference to

> > > alternative

> > > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > more imperative with the advent of " cure-

> all "

> > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > practitioners who never spared a thought

on

> the

> > > > > world

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > global

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > village while making references to the

> Indian

> > > > > > > > subcontinent

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their claims.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will therefore need to consider what

> > > constitute

> > > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine and why it thrives. The pros

and

> cons

> > > of

> > > > > > > > > alternative

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine systems and how to standard the

> > > practice

> > > > > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > future direction. I challenge all of us

not

> to

> > > > > > merely

> > > > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > > > > > > questions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but proffer solutions while buttressing

our

> > > points

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > practical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, note that Nigeria trails India

by

> about

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > > > > light

> > > > > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms of all!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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