Coffee

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We do not offer it

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Coffee

Are any of your facilities recommending no coffee

(decaf or regular) for a period of time post-op (while healing)? We

are debating whether or not to remove coffee from our

post-op inpatient diets to minimize gut stimulation. We recommend

avoiding citrus and spicy foods (known offenders) and do not allow these on our

post-op diets to minimize irritation. So, our thought is why not coffee

too? Would love to hear what others are doing and recommending.

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i used to manage an independent coffee shop, so I'm quite familiar with

espressos and lattes and cappucinos, etc. My wife and I have a Krups brand

coffee maker and espresso maker. A latte is really on a shot or two of espresso

with unfrothed milk/creme, and espresso is purchased readily from any fine food

store. It tends to be ground more finely than " normal " coffee, and releases

more of the essential bitterness and oomph. No magic to it, really! Of course,

it's always nice to have some professional make it for you...(just kidding)

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revaddict wrote:

>> So if you don't like regular coffee, try some " Irish cream " or some

> " Streusel Cake "

too many calories! i do like maxwell house 'french vanilla'

calorie-wise -- it is a powder, doesnt look like coffee at all and

has only a slight coffee taste -- 66 to 83 calories per cup,

depending on how much mix i use. i have one of those a day but do

not want to drink my calorie limit away. and i dont know how much

caffiene is in it.

the 'real' coffee that ive tried has been in reputable places (one

was a fancy restaurant at easter dinner, another was a place that

specializes in coffee+donuts) and it has always tasted so bitter!

yuck! it certainly wouldnt be any calorie savings for me since i

have to put so much sugar in it. so, i started trying tea... and

nope that tastes terrible too! LOL. i guess i will just have to

stick to the low cal hot chocolate mix... 60 cals per cup.

:*carolyn.

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Coffee could reduce risk of alcoholic cirrhosis, study findsBy Clarisse Douaud Get the latest Market Reports on coffeecirrhosisalcoholism Related NewsNew support for coffee’s heart protection benefitsCaffeine and infant health: two studies‘No evidence’ that coffee drinking harms heartCoffee and tea might reduce liver disease risks News ArchivesAll news for June 2006 All news for May 2006 13/06/2006 - A study has found drinking four or more cups of coffee per day could reduce the risk of alcoholic cirrhosis by 80 percent, suggesting that an ingredient in

coffee may protect against this type of chronic liver disease.The study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, examined 125,580 men and women who had undergone voluntary examinations between 1978 and 1985. By 2001, 330 people were diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver - 199 of whom had alcoholic cirrhosis. Cirrhosis manifests itself when scar tissue replaces healthy tissue and blocks the flow of blood through the liver. With a total of 27,794 deaths in 2002, it is the twelfth leading cause of death by disease in the US, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Of these incidences of cirrhosis, 43.6 percent were alcohol-related. The study, led by Dr

Arthur Klatshky at the Department of Medicine, Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program in California, set out to examine the possible protection effect of coffee. In the past lower blood levels of hepatocellular enzymes had been found in coffee drinkers. Elevated levels are often a sign of liver damage. The research found the higher the daily coffee intake, the lesser the chance of developing alcoholic cirrhosis. Four or more cups showed an 80 percent reduced risk; one to three cups resulted in a 40 percent reduced risk; and less than one cup was linked to a 30 percent decrease. Eighty percent of Americans drink coffee, at an average of 3.2 cups a day, according to the National Coffee Association. Researchers suspect the key risk-reducing agent in the coffee is not in fact caffeine, because there was no inverse relation between tea drinking and

cirrhosis. However, results were inconclusive because tea drinking was not popular among the sample population. “Basic research about hepatic coffee-ethanol interactions is warranted, but we should keep in mind that coffee might represent only one of a number of potential cirrhosis risk modulators,” concluded the authors. Although long-term ingestion of large quantities of alcohol is the most common cause of liver cirrhosis in developed countries, according to the study, most long-term heavy alcohol drinkers do not develop cirrhosis. This indicates that there are predisposing factors to the disease such as genetic susceptibility, diet or cigarette smoking. Finally, the authors warned that getting on the wagon is the most effective way to prevent alcoholic cirrhosis. “Even if coffee is protective, the primary approach to reduction of alcoholic cirrhosis is avoidance or cessation of heavy alcohol drinking.”

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Coffee could reduce risk of alcoholic cirrhosis, study findsBy Clarisse Douaud Get the latest Market Reports on coffeecirrhosisalcoholism Related NewsNew support for coffee’s heart protection benefitsCaffeine and infant health: two studies‘No evidence’ that coffee drinking harms heartCoffee and tea might reduce liver disease risks News ArchivesAll news for June 2006 All news for May 2006 13/06/2006 - A study has found drinking four or more cups of coffee per day could reduce the risk of alcoholic cirrhosis by 80 percent, suggesting that an ingredient in

coffee may protect against this type of chronic liver disease.The study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, examined 125,580 men and women who had undergone voluntary examinations between 1978 and 1985. By 2001, 330 people were diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver - 199 of whom had alcoholic cirrhosis. Cirrhosis manifests itself when scar tissue replaces healthy tissue and blocks the flow of blood through the liver. With a total of 27,794 deaths in 2002, it is the twelfth leading cause of death by disease in the US, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Of these incidences of cirrhosis, 43.6 percent were alcohol-related. The study, led by Dr

Arthur Klatshky at the Department of Medicine, Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program in California, set out to examine the possible protection effect of coffee. In the past lower blood levels of hepatocellular enzymes had been found in coffee drinkers. Elevated levels are often a sign of liver damage. The research found the higher the daily coffee intake, the lesser the chance of developing alcoholic cirrhosis. Four or more cups showed an 80 percent reduced risk; one to three cups resulted in a 40 percent reduced risk; and less than one cup was linked to a 30 percent decrease. Eighty percent of Americans drink coffee, at an average of 3.2 cups a day, according to the National Coffee Association. Researchers suspect the key risk-reducing agent in the coffee is not in fact caffeine, because there was no inverse relation between tea drinking and

cirrhosis. However, results were inconclusive because tea drinking was not popular among the sample population. “Basic research about hepatic coffee-ethanol interactions is warranted, but we should keep in mind that coffee might represent only one of a number of potential cirrhosis risk modulators,” concluded the authors. Although long-term ingestion of large quantities of alcohol is the most common cause of liver cirrhosis in developed countries, according to the study, most long-term heavy alcohol drinkers do not develop cirrhosis. This indicates that there are predisposing factors to the disease such as genetic susceptibility, diet or cigarette smoking. Finally, the authors warned that getting on the wagon is the most effective way to prevent alcoholic cirrhosis. “Even if coffee is protective, the primary approach to reduction of alcoholic cirrhosis is avoidance or cessation of heavy alcohol drinking.”

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Two comments about this study -- and coffee:

1. Coffee sold in supermarkets is one of the most heavily pesticide-laden 'foods' sold. IF you drink coffee, make sure it's organic. And organic coffee retention enemas have been recommended by many health gurus for liver cleansing -- Not drinking it (for some reason it works differently once consumed orally, versus anally)

2. Anytime a study appears that recommends something like this, or for example, a study touted on CNN yesterday that beer helps prevent prostate cancer, one should immediately find out WHO PAID FOR THE STUDY?

Recently it's been noted that many drug companies and other such stakeholders pay professional writers to submit their "study results" in medical journals. And next time you get a chance, take a look inside a medical journal...there are more pages devoted to advertisements than articles. And guess who pays for the advertising? Mostly drug companies. The journals depend on advertising revenue, so they don't like to piss off the drug companies. Consequently, drug companies, etc. have incredible influence in the "news" you read about health matters.

Ever notice how you don't see ads about herbs or vitamins in medical journals? Nobody can make a buck off something they can't patent.

Unless, of course, like one drug company pushing their vitamins in a medical journal as a way to limit the side effects of chemo -- and guess who sells the chemo drugs causing the side effects? The same drug company advertising the vitamins they insist you need. They win both ways.

This isn't something I made up in a paranoid spell, articles describing the aforementioned appeared in the New York Times and Wall St. Journal years ago. They also showed how many so-called impartial researchers have stock in the companies they get hired to conduct studies for...same thing goes for the FDA folks, many have a stake in the companies seeking drug approval, or who sell drugs causing deaths and then we wonder why they're so slow to pull such products off the market. They're a lot like politicians taking money from lobbyists.

Caveat emptor

Bill

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Re: coffee

Coffee could reduce risk of alcoholic cirrhosis, study findsBy Clarisse Douaud

Get the latest Market Reports on

coffeecirrhosisalcoholism

Related NewsNew support for coffee’s heart protection benefitsCaffeine and infant health: two studies‘No evidence’ that coffee drinking harms heartCoffee and tea might reduce liver disease risks

News ArchivesAll news for J une 2006 All news for May 2006 13/06/2006 - A study has found drinking four or more cups of coffee per day could reduce the risk of alcoholic cirrhosis by 80 percent, suggesting that an ingredient in coffee may protect against this type of chronic liver disease.The study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, examined 125,580 men and women who had undergone voluntary examinations between 1978 and 1985. By 2001, 330 people were diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver - 199 of whom had alcoholic cirrhosis. Cirrhosis manifests itself when scar tissue replaces healthy tissue and blocks the flow of blood through the liver. With a total of 27,794 deaths in 2002, it is the twelfth leading cause of death by disease in the US, according to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Of these incidences of cirrhosis, 43.6 percent were alcohol-related. The study, led by Dr Arthur Klatshky at the Department of Medicine, Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program in California, set out to examine the possible protection effect of coffee. In the past lower blood levels of hepatocellular enzymes had been found in coffee drinkers. Elevated levels are often a sign of liver damage. The research found the higher the daily coffee intake, the lesser the chance of developing alcoholic cirrhosis. Four or more cups showed an 80 percent reduced risk; one to three cups resulted in a 40 percent reduced risk; and less than one cup was linked to a 30 percent decrease. Eighty percent of Americans drink coffee, at an average of 3.2 cups a day, according to the National Coffee Association. Researchers suspect the key risk-reducing agent in the coffee is not in fact caffeine, because there was no inverse relation between tea drinking and cirrhosis. However, results were inconclusive because tea drinking was not popular among the sample population. “Basic research about hepatic coffee-ethanol interactions is warranted, but we should keep in mind that coffee might represent only one of a number of potential cirrhosis risk modulators,” concluded the authors. Although long-term ingestion of large quantities of alcohol is the most common cause of liver cirrhosis in developed countries, according to the study, most long-term heavy alcohol drinkers do not develop cirrhosis. This indicates that there are predisposing factors to the disease such as genetic susceptibility, diet or cigarette smoking. Finally, the authors warned that getting on the wagon is the most effective way to prevent alcoholic cirrhosis. “Even if coffee is protective, the primary approach to reduction of alcoholic cirrhosis is avoidance or cessation of heavy alcohol drinking.”

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Jeanne - will ask or medical advisor -

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Thanks, await your reply since his chemo begins tomorrow. Jeanne

>From: jb50192@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: coffee

>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:49:01 EDT

>

>Jeanne - will ask or medical advisor -

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Thanks a million, . Louis is delighted! Jeanne

>From: jb50192@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Coffee

>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:17:45 EDT

>

>Jeanne - Here is the answer I received:

>

> " There are no data of significance suggesting there is any problem with

>drinking coffee while on chemotherapy. "

>

>I do think you should drink a lot of water, though.

>

>

>

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What about stevia in the coffee and baking soda as an antidote for acidity...I

used to like snickers myself but not able to yet...Wonder if there is any

chocolate in health food store made with stevia...forget it that sounds

yukky..booh

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Coffee

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

Hi all

Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was

not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies

on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot

of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in

each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I

itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but

still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

In Light Lynn

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I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar, or a bowl

of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to the mites. I

drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and it has not

made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin and

laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for the

diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase it

with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert, and

we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

(I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to have

alternate spellings:

bogdanov

bogdanoff

....and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the environment,

independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of evolution.

http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

" Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine and junk

food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further infestation or

make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with that theory, as

well.

Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and they like

their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore logical to

assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin, and the

happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw, and

certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body that

the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods (since 1985),

no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no medications... a clean

lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be resistant to these horrors, and

it has not been a factor in their leaving my skin alone.

Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite infection and

that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In fact, in

documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal infections in

addition to the mites.

I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate. Small

pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting than

harmful.

Kate

> From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

> bird mites

> Subject: Coffee

> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

>

> Hi all

>

> Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was

not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies

on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot

of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in

each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I

itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but

still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

>

> In Light Lynn

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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Hate to disagree with you Kate, but my expereince has shown me the opposite.

For example, I bought an ayurvedic remedy at the co-op the other day, the taking

of which typically results in a stronger immune system. It's called

Chyawanprash- a thick, sticky paste made with over 40 ingredients, including

Gooseberry, and Amla, but has honey in it, and lists cane sugar as it's primary

ingredient (it's super sweet).

After taking just one application of it (a single tblsp.), I could feel the

difference in my body's symptoms. The bugs ate me alive the entire time I took

the Chyawanprash (2-3 days). It was horrible.

I atribute this to the fact that it exacerbated the already existing fungal

growth in my system (in my case Candidiasis). The fungaled/bungled fingernails

of my left hand became gnarlier than before, along with the previously mentioned

increase of bite attacks from the mites (and itching & creeping). Also, I

experienced poorer digestion, bloating and gas, in a most dramatic fashion.

And this isn't the first time I've witnessed this. Whatever foods I ingest which

illicit a suppportive response to the fungus in my gut (and elsewhere in my

body), are met with a similar aggressive response from the animals.

Obviously we all have different systems and tolerances for these kind of things-

I'm just expressing my particular body's response.

Also, in relation to, not only the fungal growth, but my overall well being, the

ingesting of even small doses of caffeine has proven to be detrimental.

I got severely whacked out the other day from drinking two cups of green tea.

And that's green tea we're talking about here, not black tea, or coffee. Also,

no sugar or sweet of any kind was taken with it. Stevia (which I did use as a

sweetener) will not ilicit a strong response from the body, But brown rice syrup

will (a substance I used previously).

Due to my particular set-up, I cannot eat or drink: sweets, sweet fruits, wheat,

or other heavy glutenous grains/breads, corn chips, dairy, and the usual junk

found in junk food (artificial preservatives, refined flour, hydrogenated oils,

additives, etc.).

This illness has had the effect of limiting an already limited diet, but based

on already gained empirical knowledge, there's no turning back, that is, unless

I have the masochistic desire to instigate another massive attack of biting

mites in my skin, and hence in my environment.

D.

>

> I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar, or a

bowl of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to the

mites. I drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and it

has not made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

>

> Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin and

laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for the

diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase it

with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert, and

we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

> Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

>

>

> http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

>

> (I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

>

>

> For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to have

alternate spellings:

> bogdanov

> bogdanoff

>

> ...and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the environment,

independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of evolution.

> http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

>

> " Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

> H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

> fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

> d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

> ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

>

>

> On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine and

junk food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further

infestation or make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with

that theory, as well.

>

> Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and they

like their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore

logical to assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin,

and the happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw,

and certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body

that the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

> Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods (since

1985), no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no medications... a

clean lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be resistant to these

horrors, and it has not been a factor in their leaving my skin alone.

> Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite infection and

that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In fact, in

documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal infections in

addition to the mites.

>

> I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate. Small

pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting than

harmful.

>

>

> Kate

>

> > From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@>

> > bird mites

> > Subject: Coffee

> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

UK -

It seems that different people have different reactions. I happen to drink two

cups of organic instant coffee every morning with stevia and organic milk. It

does not bother me in the least (but it does wake me up!!).

But I've read so many times that coffee and/or sugar worsens symptoms that I

have to accept that it is true for some people. All I can think of (in the case

of sugar) is that these people may have fungal co-infections that worsen with

sugar.

I can't explain the coffee reaction. Do you drink regular or organic coffee?

Just wondering if chemicals in coffee matter.

Bessie

>

> I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar, or a

bowl of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to the

mites. I drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and it

has not made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

>

> Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin and

laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for the

diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase it

with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert, and

we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

> Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

>

>

> http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

>

> (I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

>

>

> For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to have

alternate spellings:

> bogdanov

> bogdanoff

>

> ...and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the environment,

independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of evolution.

> http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

>

> " Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

> H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

> fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

> d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

> ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

>

>

> On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine and

junk food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further

infestation or make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with

that theory, as well.

>

> Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and they

like their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore

logical to assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin,

and the happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw,

and certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body

that the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

> Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods (since

1985), no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no medications... a

clean lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be resistant to these

horrors, and it has not been a factor in their leaving my skin alone.

> Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite infection and

that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In fact, in

documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal infections in

addition to the mites.

>

> I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate. Small

pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting than

harmful.

>

>

> Kate

>

> > From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@>

> > bird mites

> > Subject: Coffee

> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kate,

I've read that Bactrim is one of the antiobiotics used - could you list the other antibiotics that are helping? Have you taken any in the course of your treatment and how long should they be taken? It seems you are doing much better now - could you please let us know what you attribute your progress to? I appreciate so much your input - as you have obviously done so much research and have a great deal of insight that may be helpful to others.

Thanks again,

Judy

Coffee> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000> > Hi all> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably some critters causing some irritation. > > In Light Lynn> > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

D,

As your experience shows, this is more evidence that this confusing disease affects us all differently - there just doesn't seem to be "one size fits all" for any of us. But all input may lead to help for others and is appreciated always. Thank you!

Judy

Coffee> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000> > > > Hi all> > > > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably some critters causing some irritation. > > > > In Light Lynn> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > >

[Guest guest]

I think you are right. The owner of this site...Tim has said often that nothing we eat will have an effect on mites. I have often wondered why the things got on me in the first place.....all my life I have ate and love onion sandwiches. I have three to four jalapeno's with every meal. For as long as I can remember I have taken one teaspoon of garlic a day. I did and still do drink tons of coffee and I can live on pecan pie. All it took for us was to find the right pesticide to kill them. I think this is what separates people who have mites from those who have something else going on within their skin. I have never thought of it being lucky to have mites but from what I'm reading, those that are dealing with something other than mites on their skin are really having a rough time. Rita

Coffee> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000> > Hi all> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably some critters causing some irritation. > > In Light Lynn> > > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

To be honest I drink too much coffee...I do notice a huge mite swarm effect when

I eat sugars but perhaps my mites are not the same...sometimes it's hard to tell

what causes an increase in mite activity...for me it does seem to be blood sugar

levels...but then I have Morg and fungus is a huge issue and sugars lead to more

fungus more mites...pain in the blank all i can say is I have lost all craving

for sugars since it is not worth the increase of fungal and mite activity...and

I was a big fruit and chocolate eater..I never thought I would stop eating

sweet things but I did spontaneously

--- m.r.carlson@... wrote:

From: " Rita and Mike Carlson " <m.r.carlson@...>

<bird mites >

Subject: Re: Re: Coffee

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:04:58 -0600

I think you are right. The owner of this site...Tim has said often that nothing

we eat will have an effect on mites. I have often wondered why the things got on

me in the first place.....all my life I have ate and love onion sandwiches. I

have three to four jalapeno's with every meal. For as long as I can remember I

have taken one teaspoon of garlic a day. I did and still do drink tons of coffee

and I can live on pecan pie. All it took for us was to find the right pesticide

to kill them. I think this is what separates people who have mites from those

who have something else going on within their skin. I have never thought of it

being lucky to have mites but from what I'm reading, those that are dealing with

something other than mites on their skin are really having a rough time. Rita

Coffee

> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

>

> Hi all

>

> Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

>

> In Light Lynn

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Darn bug explosion...Yes,I am like You as I love to bake,Love coffee...I think

You are a bit stronger with Your 3 step plan...One thing I can say is with no

wheat,bread,sugars,rice only as grain,occasional oatmeal is that I have no gas

like I used to from sugars and wheat...I bake still for others but just can't

take the mites having a party so...but unfortunately the coffee addiction...I

should be switching to tea..think i will start that as acidity is truly not

advisable for Morg...Funny because i am not really a disciplined person it's

just the misery that made me stop the sweets...Hope you have a good day.Love and

Hugs,Rose

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Coffee

Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:37:11 -0000

I do have Stevia, but decided to buy a small box of unprossed sugar. I have been

using that in my Milky Way coffee. I love Snickers. Use to eat one every week

and than later as the intestines gave trouble. Once a month down to 2 times a

year. That was all before the bug explosion.

In Light Lynn

>

> What about stevia in the coffee and baking soda as an antidote for acidity...I

used to like snickers myself but not able to yet...Wonder if there is any

chocolate in health food store made with stevia...forget it that sounds

yukky..booh

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Fungal infections worsen with sugar, but are also prone to caffeine.

Some of the people on this board aren't hip to the fact that other people have

different set-ups than they do. They still seem to believe that what works for

them, will work for others too.

On one level you're on your own with this, and have to discover what works for

your particular set-up.

D.

> >

> > I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar, or a

bowl of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to the

mites. I drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and it

has not made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

> >

> > Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin and

laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for the

diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase it

with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert, and

we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

> > Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

> >

> >

> > http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

> >

> > (I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

> >

> >

> > For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to have

alternate spellings:

> > bogdanov

> > bogdanoff

> >

> > ...and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the environment,

independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of evolution.

> > http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

> >

> > " Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

> > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

> > H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

> > fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

> > d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

> > ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

> >

> >

> > On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine and

junk food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further

infestation or make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with

that theory, as well.

> >

> > Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and they

like their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore

logical to assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin,

and the happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw,

and certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body

that the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

> > Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods (since

1985), no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no medications... a

clean lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be resistant to these

horrors, and it has not been a factor in their leaving my skin alone.

> > Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite infection

and that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In fact, in

documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal infections in

addition to the mites.

> >

> > I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate.

Small pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting

than harmful.

> >

> >

> > Kate

> >

> > > From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@>

> > > bird mites

> > > Subject: Coffee

> > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> > >

> > > Hi all

> > >

> > > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> > >

> > > In Light Lynn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Judy,

I agree.

I support Kate's attempt to rid herself of this pestulence. And she doesn't need

to be defended by others on this board from what I wrote. We happen to be

friends.

It's nice to think others are " going off " , but we have it " together " . But the

reality from all the stress, and neural toxicity, makes that a joke. A cruel,

joke, but a joke.

Hopefully, we can find the pieces of the puzzle and work this out for ourselves.

It's painful to know that things aren't as simple as we'd likt them to be (e.g.-

that there's a " magic bullet " for everyone).

Most of us would like to push a button, and make this go away. And in this age,

we've got generations of people with less impatience, who are accustomed to a

lifestyle of instant gratification.

Not the best combination.

D.

> >

> > I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar, or

a bowl of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to the

mites. I drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and it

has not made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

> >

> > Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin and

laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for the

diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase it

with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert, and

we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

> > Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

> >

> >

> > http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

> >

> > (I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

> >

> >

> > For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to have

alternate spellings:

> > bogdanov

> > bogdanoff

> >

> > ...and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the

environment, independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of

evolution.

> > http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

> >

> > " Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

> > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

> > H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

> > fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

> > d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

> > ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

> >

> >

> > On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine and

junk food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further

infestation or make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with

that theory, as well.

> >

> > Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and

they like their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore

logical to assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin,

and the happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw,

and certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body

that the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

> > Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods (since

1985), no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no medications... a

clean lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be resistant to these

horrors, and it has not been a factor in their leaving my skin alone.

> > Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite infection

and that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In fact, in

documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal infections in

addition to the mites.

> >

> > I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate.

Small pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting

than harmful.

> >

> >

> > Kate

> >

> > > From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@>

> > > bird mites

> > > Subject: Coffee

> > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> > >

> > > Hi all

> > >

> > > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky

Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> > >

> > > In Light Lynn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Instead of dangling this carrot maybe the UK resident encouraging kindness could

just tell us what the hell is working for her. And I mean SPECIFICS. Don't

come on a forum populated with long-term sufferers and claim relief from this

hell with the disclaimer of, " Don't ask what drugs I'm taking - it's private. "

Whatever....

" Antibiotics " blah blah blah is pretty freaking vague and it sent me off on a

witch hunt of sorts. Here's what I turned up at:

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/mites-ticks/\

6151-dermatophagoides-scheremetewskyi-bogdanow.html

Assuming this is the same person, Doxy and Naltrexone are among her protocol.

Why she can't be more forthcoming with us is a question for the ages:

" THAT is the mite I see floating in my bathwater.... although, it is much larger

than the pics here: ESTUDIO SOBRE ÁCAROS PARÁSITOS I. ACARIASIS DE LAS AVES DE

CORRAL EN VENEZUELA, CON ESPECIAL REFERENCIA A LA ESPECIE Dermatophagoides

scheremetewsky

Perhaps it has mutated? I should not be able to see this mite, as it is supposed

to be " microscoptic " .

I have seen a Lymes doctor in the UK (suggested by Carla).

Now taking Doxy and soon to be trying naltrexone to kick-start the immune

system.

According to some, Lyme/Borrelia is the underlying infection, layered on top

with various co-infections including, but not limited to mites, nematodes,

bacterias, viruses and others. The issue seems to be SUSCEPTIBILITY to various

parasites due to mitochondrial illness. Also implicated in this compound disease

complex is a new retrovirus infection: Human gammaretrovirus xenotropic murine

leukaemia virus-related virus (XMRV).

Like another poster undergoing antibiotic Lymes therapy, I am on long-term

low-dose antibiotics. I have a return of my original Lymes symptoms after only a

single day of meds... noted in

Dr. Sam Donta, Lyme Disease

Apparently, there are several broad-spectrum antibiotics that will actually

penetrate the biofilm of these parasites and infectious agents.

for further reading see:

Equilibrant

www.ijcem.com/files/IJCEM812001.pdf

The Low Dose Naltrexone Homepage

vitamink.co.uk

www.molecularazheimer.org

Home (org)

ILADS - International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society

Thanks for your post, and for keepin your thinkin' cap on!!

Sky "

>

> Kate,

> I've read that Bactrim is one of the antiobiotics used - could you list the

other antibiotics that are helping? Have you taken any in the course of your

treatment and how long should they be taken? It seems you are doing much better

now - could you please let us know what you attribute your progress to? I

appreciate so much your input - as you have obviously done so much research and

have a great deal of insight that may be helpful to others.

> Thanks again,

> Judy

>

>

>

>

> Coffee

> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

personally I would divulge the information if I knew it..I agree..people are

really suffering here...really what is the risk..I would take that risk in a

minute...for any of You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He's Right!!uh oh

--- no_reply wrote:

From: buggeredbymites <no_reply >

bird mites

Subject: Re: Coffee

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:49:37 -0000

Instead of dangling this carrot maybe the UK resident encouraging kindness could

just tell us what the hell is working for her. And I mean SPECIFICS. Don't

come on a forum populated with long-term sufferers and claim relief from this

hell with the disclaimer of, " Don't ask what drugs I'm taking - it's private. "

Whatever....

" Antibiotics " blah blah blah is pretty freaking vague and it sent me off on a

witch hunt of sorts. Here's what I turned up at:

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/mites-ticks/\

6151-dermatophagoides-scheremetewskyi-bogdanow.html

Assuming this is the same person, Doxy and Naltrexone are among her protocol.

Why she can't be more forthcoming with us is a question for the ages:

" THAT is the mite I see floating in my bathwater.... although, it is much larger

than the pics here: ESTUDIO SOBRE ÃCAROS PARÃSITOS I. ACARIASIS DE LAS AVES DE

CORRAL EN VENEZUELA, CON ESPECIAL REFERENCIA A LA ESPECIE Dermatophagoides

scheremetewsky

Perhaps it has mutated? I should not be able to see this mite, as it is supposed

to be " microscoptic " .

I have seen a Lymes doctor in the UK (suggested by Carla).

Now taking Doxy and soon to be trying naltrexone to kick-start the immune

system.

According to some, Lyme/Borrelia is the underlying infection, layered on top

with various co-infections including, but not limited to mites, nematodes,

bacterias, viruses and others. The issue seems to be SUSCEPTIBILITY to various

parasites due to mitochondrial illness. Also implicated in this compound disease

complex is a new retrovirus infection: Human gammaretrovirus xenotropic murine

leukaemia virus-related virus (XMRV).

Like another poster undergoing antibiotic Lymes therapy, I am on long-term

low-dose antibiotics. I have a return of my original Lymes symptoms after only a

single day of meds... noted in

Dr. Sam Donta, Lyme Disease

Apparently, there are several broad-spectrum antibiotics that will actually

penetrate the biofilm of these parasites and infectious agents.

for further reading see:

Equilibrant

www.ijcem.com/files/IJCEM812001.pdf

The Low Dose Naltrexone Homepage

vitamink.co.uk

www.molecularazheimer.org

Home (org)

ILADS - International Lyme And Associated Diseases Society

Thanks for your post, and for keepin your thinkin' cap on!!

Sky "

>

> Kate,

> I've read that Bactrim is one of the antiobiotics used - could you list the

other antibiotics that are helping? Have you taken any in the course of your

treatment and how long should they be taken? It seems you are doing much better

now - could you please let us know what you attribute your progress to? I

appreciate so much your input - as you have obviously done so much research and

have a great deal of insight that may be helpful to others.

> Thanks again,

> Judy

>

>

>

>

> Coffee

> > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way.

Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> >

> > In Light Lynn

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

D,

I think my message was a bit confusing (probably due to the "But" prefacing "all input may lead ..."), as I wasn't defending Kate. My intention was to express the fact that you made a very good point that proved once again that there are so many variables to this affliction and each of us reacts in different ways.

....Judy

Coffee> > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000> > > > > > Hi all> > > > > > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what. I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably some critters causing some irritation. > > > > > > In Light Lynn> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

J.,

Sorry if you took that personally- I didn't mean it that way.

And thanks for your understanding (re. how each of us have to deal with

different " variables " ).

D.

> > >

> > > I seriously doubt that having a cup of coffee or even a chocolate bar,

or a bowl of pumpkin soup for that matter, is going to make any difference to

the mites. I drink several cups of real, simmered Turkish coffee every day, and

it has not made one whit of difference in my having or not having mites.

> > >

> > > Their primary interest is tunneling or burrowing under the host's skin

and laying eggs, whether it's a cat, dog or human, they have no preference for

the diet of their host. I could eat Yang's dog food for dinner today, and chase

it with a Mars bar, and he could have my tofu stir fry and ricedream dessert,

and we would both have the same number of mites tomorrow as we did yesterday.

Neither sugar, chocolate, coffee, dog food or tofu are toxic to the mites, and

the pH or acidity of the skin has no effect on the life cycle or metabolism of

the mite.

> > > Tim linked a good article about the D.s. bogdanow mite here

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.birdmites.org/resources/1951.pdf

> > >

> > > (I wonder where on Earth you dug this up from, TIM?). In addition to a

documented case of infestation, this article also explains some of the

sensations that people feel when this mite has infected/infested their skin.

> > >

> > >

> > > For those wanting to do further research, " bogdanow " has been seen to

have alternate spellings:

> > > bogdanov

> > > bogdanoff

> > >

> > > ...and interestingly, this is one parasite that can live in the

environment, independent of a host.... which violates a basic principle of

evolution.

> > > http://svdcd.org.ve/revista/1971/Vol%202/DV-1-1971-acaros.pdf

> > >

> > > " Our findings suggest that (i) house dust mites (Pyroglyphidae:

Dermatophagoidinae) originated from a parasitic ancestor within the core of

Psoroptidia, violating a basic principle of evolution that it is virtually

impossible for a permanent parasite to become free-living, and (ii) there were

at least two shifts from presumably avian to mammalian hosts. " ....

> > > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WN

> > > H-4RM1KV0-1 & _user=10 & _coverDate=06%2F30%2F2008 & _rdoc=1 & _

> > > fmt=high & _orig=search & _sort=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrI

> > > d=1206966261 & _rerunOrigin=scholar.google & _acct=C000050221 & _vers

> > > ion=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=9c3fa5ba38a5fbb70b5c1ea7519aa297

> > >

> > >

> > > On the other hand, if you're saying that a diet high in sugar, caffine

and junk food, as opposed to a healthy balanced diet, will lead to further

infestation or make a host more attractive, I will also have to disagree with

that theory, as well.

> > >

> > > Mites, like the famous surface-crawler lice, PREFER a clean scalp, and

they like their food (your SKIN) as healthy as they can get it; it is therefore

logical to assume that the healthier the host's diet, the healthier host's skin,

and the happier the mite. This is also why sulphur soap, ivermectin, cat's claw,

and certain antibiotics kill the mite in the skin: put a poison in/on your body

that the mite is sensitive to or will die from, and the mite can be eradicated.

> > > Before I got mites, I had lived a very clean life of organic foods

(since 1985), no pesticides or chemicals in my environment, and no

medications... a clean lifestyle and organic diet did not help be to be

resistant to these horrors, and it has not been a factor in their leaving my

skin alone.

> > > Some people assert that a fungal infection accompanies the mite

infection and that sugar, etc contributes to the fungal or yeast population. In

fact, in documented cases of people with scalp mites, very few had fungal

infections in addition to the mites.

> > >

> > > I think you should have and enjoy your coffee, Lynn, and your chocolate.

Small pleasures during such a terrible infection is more likely to be comforting

than harmful.

> > >

> > >

> > > Kate

> > >

> > > > From: " Lynn " <torpedolynn@>

> > > > bird mites

> > > > Subject: Coffee

> > > > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:32:45 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Hi all

> > > >

> > > > Broke down and had a normal cup of coffee. Cream and sugar. No Milky

Way. Was not brave enough to push another deluxe a secound day. I had even less

wormies on privates as I did yesterday. But when I laid down on the couch for a

nap alot of little fast runners started up here and there and 1 went into my

ear. 1 in each eye. Like my outer body is no longer that attractive. Gues what.

I itttttchhhh. Top of my right foot. Bottom of same foot. Right eye near nose

but still on the skin in the corner of that eye. 1 spot on back of head. No

pinching, no biting. itchig. hummmmm. Wonder what that means. Nerve endings

finally giving me the right message or better yet. A healing message. probably

some critters causing some irritation.

> > > >

> > > > In Light Lynn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Lynn -

And some of us get away with caffeinated coffee. We each have to experiment and

find out what affects us/doesn't affect us, what works/what doesn't work.

There are NO blanket things in either category.

Maybe it would help these conversations if we use " I " statements, and " in my

experience " .

Bessie

> >

> > Darn bug explosion...Yes,I am like You as I love to bake,Love coffee...I

think You are a bit stronger with Your 3 step plan...One thing I can say is with

no wheat,bread,sugars,rice only as grain,occasional oatmeal is that I have no

gas like I used to from sugars and wheat...I bake still for others but just

can't take the mites having a party so...but unfortunately the coffee

addiction...I should be switching to tea..think i will start that as acidity is

truly not advisable for Morg...Funny because i am not really a disciplined

person it's just the misery that made me stop the sweets...Hope you have a good

day.Love and Hugs,Rose

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