Re: Respone to 's attack on Alternative Healing

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Hmm, since you responded with the most zeal and vindication you must be a

vendor for some of these alternative methods.

As far as the third leading cause in America coming from doctors and

prescriptions,....yea right. To bad there isn't a statistic that shows the

number one cause to survival, being kept alive, or healing. I assure you it

would be doctors and medications.

NO one has died of something Natural? Really? You know Rattlesnake venom

is one of the most sought after natural drugs in America. It's qualities

and healing characteristics are highly prized, yet you don't see people out

in the woods trying to get bit by rattlesnakes do you?

I am just speaking from experience and what has worked for my dad. The side

effects sucked but now he is in remission. If there is so much research out

there go ahead and post a link to it where all can see that alternative

medicines have caused HEP C type 1 to go into remission.

Thank you,

Respone to 's attack on Alternative Healing

I must say in this day and age I was floored that someone could be so

negative against anything alternative. Have you ever heard of

iatrogenic disease (spelling may be wrong)? It is the third leading

cause of death in North America (published in JAMA). It is caused by

doctors and prescriptions (i.e. wrong medications, deadly side

effects, mixing of medications, botched operations, etc.) And these

are only the reported ones that are caught and where people have

died, not even counting people who have been severely injured by the

dam drugs. I would put my life in the hands of anything alternative

over prescription medications. No one has ever died from something

natural where hundreds of thousands a year have died from the regular

route. I admit there are a lot of things out there that do not work

but that is why word of mouth is so wonderful - we can let people

know what has worked for us and what has not. I know the tide is

starting to turn in favour of more natural healing methods and they

are not invasive and do not have dangerous side effects like

prescription drugs. There is tons of medical research out there if

you would only take the time and look for it. People need to start

taking control over their own health and have some common sense.

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I'm pretty new to this group and it sure seems to me that ther'es a whole lot of bickering, I joined this group for support, when I'm feeling like shit and need someone to talk to, but doesn't seem to be a whole lot of anything. Did you know we should not take soy says right on some products if you have liver problems talk to your Dr. and I was told deffinately not. Also natural products such as herbs can cause severe problems if you are taking certain drugs, I take other medicines for other problems so you have to be careful and have a Dr. let you know if they are safe to take with your meds. This is how we should be supporting each other by the things we do know that can help someone else . Doesn't mean you have to try them, but a least be open to alternative treatments. I have medicare and they won't pay for alternative therapy but will pay for the interferon and since I can't afford them my self I'm doing the interferon which could kill me. Would like to try other options and there is no guarantee out there for any of us that anything will work we just have to pray and do what we have to do and some of us will get our prayer answered. And who are we to question wether a therapy works or not but be happy for that person who does not have to continue being sick with this disease. Everyone's main goal is to get well, so work on getting well however that may be. Teri

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Teri, I am a little late in reading this. I agree with all you have said. To sum it up nicely, TO EACH HIS OWN.

Some of us have alternatives and some do not. This is supposed to be a place for support good, bad or indifferent. We do have the choice to stay or leave. To read or not read. To answer or not answer.

It is good that there are so many different ideas and people who can give them. It does not mean we have to try them but at least we know they are out there. Not all of the Medical Doctors know everything. Trail and Error.

We still have the freedom of choice, as to what we will do and not do, with what we know.

No one should be judgmental of each other here, we are all here for the same reason. To learn, get support and ask as many questions and get as many answers as we possibly can.

This is a very Uncertain time, in this world right now.

Stay Safe,

Take care, Irish

[Guest guest]

Thank you Irish for you kind words

[Guest guest]

I do not appreciate sarcasm as I am sure most people in this group do

not. I am not a vendor for anything and only pass on information that

I believe could help someone.

As for you not believing about the third leading cause of death being

doctors and drugs, this is a published fact in the Journal of the

American Medical Association (JAMA). Check out volume 284 of July

2000 written by Dr. Barbard Stanfield of Hopkins. I believe it

is also on the web at www.mercola.com - maybe you will actually learn

a little bit without having to resort to put downs of other people

and their beliefs.

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If your not a vendor, then why does it say " WE DON'T DO PHARMACEUTICAL

DRUGS - WE DO OILS (ESSENTIAL

THAT IS)! " at the end of your emails? And Just because something is

published, doesn't mean it is fact. Had Columbus read the published

articles that the world was flat and believed it as fact, who would of

discovered America? A little common sense should tell you the third leading

cause of death being doctors and their prescriptions is absurd. How bout

Old age? How man people you know die of old age? I personally know a lot

more that have died of old age than from doctors and bad medicine. How bout

Cancer? How bout drugs and alcohol? I mean the list goes on and on. Go

back and reread the article, if it is stated as you do below, well, don't

believe everything you read.

Re: RE: Respone to 's attack on Alternative

Healing

I do not appreciate sarcasm as I am sure most people in this group do

not. I am not a vendor for anything and only pass on information that

I believe could help someone.

As for you not believing about the third leading cause of death being

doctors and drugs, this is a published fact in the Journal of the

American Medical Association (JAMA). Check out volume 284 of July

2000 written by Dr. Barbard Stanfield of Hopkins. I believe it

is also on the web at www.mercola.com - maybe you will actually learn

a little bit without having to resort to put downs of other people

and their beliefs.

WE DON'T DO PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS - WE DO OILS (ESSENTIAL

THAT IS)!

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Hello,

I just read the article as to which you referred. I also read the other articles about tips for healthier life and where it says, in big red letters, CAREFULLY, follow.

This to me is the key word, carefully. Pay attention, ask questions, get second opinions. Doctors are Human, they go to school to learn to become a Doctor but they make mistakes and I have to say with the way the world is today, with pointing the finger at someone else for our own mistakes, we are just as much to blame as the Doctors.

We go to them looking for answers, reasons and help.

We do what they say most times without asking a question or blinking an eye. We just assume they are right, now we all know the word ASS-U-ME means making as ass out of you and me.

Why is it we ask many people their advice about changing our decor in our home and look for recipes and ways to do things with our homes and our children, what to wear, but we do not research more about the Doctors we go to, the ones we give control of Our Well Being?

Then many of us will be the first ones to cry and complain about a treatment or medication not working well for us. But do we take the meds the right way? Do we go for the treatments when we are supposed to? Do we tell Our Doctor the truth about what we are doing to ourselves and what we are not doing for ourselves? Our Doctors are not mind readers. The Doctors can only help us as much as we allow. We are still in charge of what we do with Our Lives. We have the right to say No, I do not want to. We also have the right to say, Yes, I will try that.

The relationship between a Doctor and Patient is supposed to be one of truth, compassion and understanding.

Not one, where they are looking to make money off of you, or one where you are looking to sue him for something that you have probably done to your self through your own neglect. They are Not Miracle workers.

Yes, there are some Doctors out there that have no right to practice and the only way to stop them is to go through the proper channels and hope they will not be practicing anymore.

There are also patients who look to hurt innocent Doctors for a Buck.

So in the end WE have to pay attention as to who WE allow to help us in our pain and treatment, No One else. We have to be responsible.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Irish

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Hi , People still don't get it do they.

>From: " Dobie " <dobie@...>

>Reply-Hepatitis C

>Hepatitis C

>Subject: Re: RE: Respone to 's attack on Alternative

>Healing

>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:44:05 -0800

>

>I do not appreciate sarcasm as I am sure most people in this group do

>not. I am not a vendor for anything and only pass on information that

>I believe could help someone.

>

>As for you not believing about the third leading cause of death being

>doctors and drugs, this is a published fact in the Journal of the

>American Medical Association (JAMA). Check out volume 284 of July

>2000 written by Dr. Barbard Stanfield of Hopkins. I believe it

>is also on the web at www.mercola.com - maybe you will actually learn

>a little bit without having to resort to put downs of other people

>and their beliefs.

>

>

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>THAT IS)!

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,

That was nicely written and appreciated

Have a good day.

Irish

[Guest guest]

Hi Ange,

I have been part of this group for a little over a year. I have learned a lot about people. I have a tendency to jump first before thinking and as I get older and hopefully wiser,LOL... I am learning that we all have to do what we have to do. What may be right for one person does not mean it is right for the next person, therefore the research is a definite must as I see it.

These discussions going on here are good. No one has to agree with everything and let's face it if we did, we would be hypocrites.

With all that is going on in this world we need more honesty and caring not jumping on each others words. Like the old saying goes, Think before you speak.

We need to live the life we have with the best results possible.

Wishing you all a GOOD DAY.

Irish

[Guest guest]

well said irish lady , whoever you are

myself I've had TCM for a year ( traditional chinese medicine) and my VL has diminished by

the millions but I don't even care about that

I HAVE FELT BETTER that's all that matters to me

I do a lot of careful research in fact I have trained as an orthodox medical person

but really people it is about doing your own research and try it out

the most important thing is not feeling like a victim, knowing that you are fighting

I wish you all well and hope you don't get bogged down in a ridiculous verbal

thank you irish

muchlove

ange

Re: Respone to 's attack on Alternative Healing

Hello,I just read the article as to which you referred. I also read the other articles about tips for healthier life and where it says, in big red letters, CAREFULLY, follow. This to me is the key word, carefully. Pay attention, ask questions, get second opinions. Doctors are Human, they go to school to learn to become a Doctor but they make mistakes and I have to say with the way the world is today, with pointing the finger at someone else for our own mistakes, we are just as much to blame as the Doctors.We go to them looking for answers, reasons and help.We do what they say most times without asking a question or blinking an eye. We just assume they are right, now we all know the word ASS-U-ME means making as ass out of you and me.Why is it we ask many people their advice about changing our decor in our home and look for recipes and ways to do things with our homes and our children, what to wear, but we do not research more about the Doctors we go to, the ones we give control of Our Well Being?Then many of us will be the first ones to cry and complain about a treatment or medication not working well for us. But do we take the meds the right way? Do we go for the treatments when we are supposed to? Do we tell Our Doctor the truth about what we are doing to ourselves and what we are not doing for ourselves? Our Doctors are not mind readers. The Doctors can only help us as much as we allow. We are still in charge of what we do with Our Lives. We have the right to say No, I do not want to. We also have the right to say, Yes, I will try that.The relationship between a Doctor and Patient is supposed to be one of truth, compassion and understanding.Not one, where they are looking to make money off of you, or one where you are looking to sue him for something that you have probably done to your self through your own neglect. They are Not Miracle workers.Yes, there are some Doctors out there that have no right to practice and the only way to stop them is to go through the proper channels and hope they will not be practicing anymore.There are also patients who look to hurt innocent Doctors for a Buck. So in the end WE have to pay attention as to who WE allow to help us in our pain and treatment, No One else. We have to be responsible.That's my 2 cents worth.Irish