Re: Re: thanx, successful gb flush

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Bill,

I thought your letter was well written. I too, have learned a lot from this

list, and I think everyone should do what they are comfortable with. My

question about someone doing a flush and getting out hundreds of stones at

once has always been, where were all these stones before? The gall bladder

is a pretty little sac. If there were hundreds of stones in there, it seems

as if it would be impacted beyond its capacity. I, too, am not trying to be

confrontational. It's just an honest question I've had, but I've been a

little afraid to ask, because sometimes people seem to get annoyed when

someone questions the validity of a flush, and I had no desire to offend

anyone.

I, too, believe that the intentions of people on this list are good. And

different things may work for different people.

Debra

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I would like to know the recepie of the olive oil and lemon juice used in the flush. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: Woody Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:19 PM gallstonesegroups Subject: Re: thanx, successful gb flush Bill, I agree with you totally... I work in a hospital, and I'm indirect consultation with several MD's who are interested in what I'mdoing... believe me, they're even more skeptical of what they seeon this and other websites than you are!I fully intend to get another ultrasound later by the sameradiologist, but I need to do another flush (or two) first, becausethe very day I posted the origin of this thread I had another gbattack!I'm personally not fully convinced of the medical value of the gbflush, but it certainly doesn't harm me to try it. if it works,great; if not, no big deal...I sincerely hope there is some credence to be given to this procedure,and I hope another flush or two will clean more stones out of me, butI definitely will require verification by the radiologist to beabsolutely certain of the outcome (if you'll pardon the pun).also, I'm taking the stones I passed yesterday to a pathologist toanalyze them... I'll be sure to post results when I have them...> There are people on this list who believe (or very much want tobelieve)> in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself included)who> are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything otherthan> passing solidified or "saponified" olive oil. Perhaps the truth is> somewhere in between. But one thing I have never seen on this listis> the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showedgallstones and> then, after flushing and passing "hundreds of stones," had another> ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively showedthat> the stones were indeed GONE.>> If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to leavethe> gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence? Saying "I feelbetter"> is not proof. Photos of so-called "stones" without any independent> laboratory analysis or medical opinion confirming that they areindeed> stones is not enough, in my opinion, to confirm this as an effective> treatment for gallstones.>> I don't mean to be confrontational, I've gotten a lot from thislist, but> I've been researching gallstones and gallbladder disease for sometime> now (since my ultrasound showed a 1.6cm stone) and I just don't seethe> clinical proof that the flush works. On the other hand, gallbladder> removal seems to solve the problem for an overwhelming majority ofpeople> with very, very low incidence of complications. I'm not in a rushto> have my gallbladder removed and I am open to real alternatives, butI'm a> journalist by training and it is very hard for me to acceptanecdotal> evidence.>> Whatever you may think of the Western medical establishment, it isbased> on a pretty reasonable methodology: testing of a theory in aclinical> trial must show a positive result in most cases before a treatmentcan be> prescribed. Not to say that alternative medicine, diet, and other> approaches are not valid, I believe they certainly are, and not tosay> that all treatments work for everyone - they don't, but I fear thatsome> of the advice given on this list - while completely well-intentioned-> needs to be taken with caution. I too have been looking fortreatment> other than that which my physician is recommending, but I would bemuch> more comfortable if the discussion on this list was monitored: if apanel> of experts from different disciplines: MD, Surgeon, Nutritionist,> Herbalist, Homeopath, etc. would weigh in with their opinions and> experience and help us sort out hype from reality.>> ...Bill-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~>eLertsIt's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free!>Collected'>1/9699/0/_/298354/_/975978881/-------------------------------------------------------------------->Collected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day ! Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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> But one thing I have never seen on this list is

>the testimony of someone who had an ultrasound that showed gallstones and

>then, after flushing and passing " hundreds of stones, " had another

>ultrasound (ideally by the same radiologist) that positively showed that

>the stones were indeed GONE.

I have. You just haven't read enough. Or talked to enough people

personally.

>If the olive oil/lemon juice flush truly causes gallstones to leave the

>gallbladder, where is the irrefutable evidence?

I have also heard of people who haven't gotten any stones out after doing

the flush. so what happens THEN to the " saponified " oils? HMMMM!??

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Bill, you may want to be careful that people don't start thinking that you could

be a troll. The internet newsgroups are awash with paid trolls who slyly

plant just a little bit of doubt so that the operating rooms stay full.

Let's face it: if my own experience of substituting $10 worth of olive oil (7

flushes) for $8000 worth of surgery and medical care is an example others

follow, then big medicine could lose billions.

Actually, I really don't care if people allow their guts to be chopped apart

because someone coyly plants the idea that olive oil miraculously changes to

pure cholesterol lumps by some alchemy " saponification " process. All I reallly

know is that the 3 surgeons who were fighting for my gallbladder had to

find another sucker to pay for their expensive cars. The flushes stopped the

attacks, caused me to lose unwanted weight, improved my digestion

dramatically, left me finally free of allergies, and made me feel better than I

had in years. That good feeling has lasted well over two years now.

And if you think I give a hoot whether " science " runs a double-blind study

proving they're full of it, think again. I still remember all those " 9 out of

10 doctors insist Lucky Strikes are better for you " commercials.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

swerz@... wrote:

> There are people on this list who believe (or very much want to believe)

> in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many (myself included) who

> are still doubtful that the flushes really result in anything other than

> passing solidified or " saponified " olive oil.

[Guest guest]

>

>also, I'm taking the stones I passed yesterday to a pathologist to

>analyze them... I'll be sure to post results when I have them...

I'd love to hear about these results. Please be sure to post them!

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>

>And if you think I give a hoot whether " science " runs a double-blind study

proving they're full of it, think again. I still remember all those " 9 out

of

>10 doctors insist Lucky Strikes are better for you " commercials.

LOL, What a hoot, Rex. I think I love you!!!! LOL

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D B wrote:

> My

> question about someone doing a flush and getting out hundreds of stones at

> once has always been, where were all these stones before? The gall bladder

> is a pretty little sac. If there were hundreds of stones in there, it seems

> as if it would be impacted beyond its capacity.

Have you studied the hundreds-of-stones autopsy-type photos on this webpage yet?

http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/

Seems to me that they should address your questions better than anyone on this

list could hope to answer.

Regards,

Rex Harrill

[Guest guest]

Again, I am reminded of the those people, including

myself, who have done the flush and had no stones

produced. If gb stones are actually " saponified "

olive oil, where's the " saponified " olive oil in an

unsuccessful flush? I am all for these flushes. Have

produced over 700 stones. Have also had non-succesful

flushes. See the logic?

Matty

--- " R. Harrill " <brixman@...> wrote:

> Bill, you may want to be careful that people don't

> start thinking that you could be a troll. The

> internet newsgroups are awash with paid trolls who

> slyly

> plant just a little bit of doubt so that the

> operating rooms stay full.

>

> Let's face it: if my own experience of substituting

> $10 worth of olive oil (7 flushes) for $8000 worth

> of surgery and medical care is an example others

> follow, then big medicine could lose billions.

>

> Actually, I really don't care if people allow their

> guts to be chopped apart because someone coyly

> plants the idea that olive oil miraculously changes

> to

> pure cholesterol lumps by some alchemy

> " saponification " process. All I reallly know is

> that the 3 surgeons who were fighting for my

> gallbladder had to

> find another sucker to pay for their expensive cars.

> The flushes stopped the attacks, caused me to lose

> unwanted weight, improved my digestion

> dramatically, left me finally free of allergies, and

> made me feel better than I had in years. That good

> feeling has lasted well over two years now.

>

> And if you think I give a hoot whether " science "

> runs a double-blind study proving they're full of

> it, think again. I still remember all those " 9 out

> of

> 10 doctors insist Lucky Strikes are better for you "

> commercials.

>

> Regards,

> Rex Harrill

>

> swerz@... wrote:

>

> > There are people on this list who believe (or very

> much want to believe)

> > in the efficacy of the gallbladder flush and many

> (myself included) who

> > are still doubtful that the flushes really result

> in anything other than

> > passing solidified or " saponified " olive oil.

>

>

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