Re: Native People find out...

[Guest guest]

Quoting shoonkasapa <tastebass@...>:

> " In this country in which we have been taught, the Land of The Free,

> we as Native people find out, that we are not as free as we think we

> are. "

> - Deere

I don't get it. As a native American, am I more capable of seeing through

politicians' lip service to freedom than I would be if I had been born in

another country?

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

I think what was being said was that the experience of the peoples who

populated the Americas before European contact have a specific experience

living under the established " free " country that in fact oppressed them. Not

to say that they have a more valid experience than other oppressed peoples,

but that the quote was from someone who was of that people, and so used his

own people's experience as a reference point. The same could probably be

said of all " native " peoples, if by " native " we are referring to either the

indigenous groups in areas where colonialism was/is established, or any

non-stratified society that came in contact with a stratified society.

And yeah, I think it probably is off topic, except that, e.g., I have to

drive an hour and a half to get milk on the black market as if it were crack.

In fact, it would be easier for me to get numerous contraban drugs at a far

shorter drive then raw milk. There is something to be said for " freedom of

food. " Maybe we should establish a religion with raw milk involved in a

ritual so we can petition the Supreme Court.

Chris

[Guest guest]

--- what we have is freedom of religion. Dennis

In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

> Quoting shoonkasapa <tastebass@h...>:

> > " In this country in which we have been taught, the Land of The

Free,

> > we as Native people find out, that we are not as free as we think

we

> > are. "

> > - Deere

>

> I don't get it. As a native American, am I more capable of seeing

through

> politicians' lip service to freedom than I would be if I had been

born in

> another country?

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@c...

[Guest guest]

Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...>:

> In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

> > Quoting shoonkasapa <tastebass@h...>:

> > > " In this country in which we have been taught, the Land of The

> Free,

> > > we as Native people find out, that we are not as free as we think

> we

> > > are. "

> > > - Deere

> >

> > I don't get it. As a native American, am I more capable of seeing

> through

> > politicians' lip service to freedom than I would be if I had been

> born in

> > another country?

>

> --- what we have is freedom of religion. Dennis

That's true (and lately it seems that that's about all we have), but I

don't see what it has to do with my question.

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

--- , I don't see why you have a question? " We are not as

free as we think we are, " as Deere said. I pay the taxes on

my land, for example, and lots of people think they should be allowed

to hunt there free. A bit off subject however, related to freedom in

my opinion. Dennis

In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

> Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@y...>:

> > In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

> > > Quoting shoonkasapa <tastebass@h...>:

> > > > " In this country in which we have been taught, the Land of The

> > Free,

> > > > we as Native people find out, that we are not as free as we

think

> > we

> > > > are. "

> > > > - Deere

> > >

> > > I don't get it. As a native American, am I more capable of

seeing

> > through

> > > politicians' lip service to freedom than I would be if I had

been

> > born in

> > > another country?

> >

> > --- what we have is freedom of religion. Dennis

>

> That's true (and lately it seems that that's about all we have),

but I

> don't see what it has to do with my question.

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@c...

[Guest guest]

Oh great one praise be to Chris...

Great idea! ;-)

let me restate the freedom thing for you.

If it is available you can get ANY substance at a shorter drive than

you can get crack errr mawae rilkae. Have a good goverment

approved and safety enhanced day.

DMM

> I think what was being said was that the experience of the peoples

who

> populated the Americas before European contact have a specific

experience

> living under the established " free " country that in fact oppressed

them. Not

> to say that they have a more valid experience than other oppressed

peoples,

> but that the quote was from someone who was of that people, and so

used his

> own people's experience as a reference point. The same could

probably be

> said of all " native " peoples, if by " native " we are referring to

either the

> indigenous groups in areas where colonialism was/is established,

or any

> non-stratified society that came in contact with a stratified

society.

>

> And yeah, I think it probably is off topic, except that, e.g., I

have to

> drive an hour and a half to get milk on the black market as if it

were crack.

> In fact, it would be easier for me to get numerous contraban

drugs at a far

> shorter drive then raw milk. There is something to be said

for " freedom of

> food. " Maybe we should establish a religion with raw milk

involved in a

> ritual so we can petition the Supreme Court.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:53 PM 11/13/02 -0800, you wrote:

>Quoting dkemnitz2000 <dkemnitz2000@...>:

>> > Quoting shoonkasapa <tastebass@h...>:

>> > > " In this country in which we have been taught, the Land of The

>> Free,

>> > > we as Native people find out, that we are not as free as we think

>> we

>> > > are. "

>> > > - Deere

>> In @y..., Berg <bberg@c...> wrote:

>> > I don't get it. As a native American, am I more capable of seeing

>> through

>> > politicians' lip service to freedom than I would be if I had been

>> born in

>> > another country?

,

I interpret this as what is taught by educators, patriotism and maybe parents

as freedom to children gets slowly destroyed by life, experience, recognition

and reflection " if " one chooses or instinctually uses the ability to freely

think. This quote on a recent newsletter says similar

" Political activism is seductive because it seems to offer the

possibility that one can improve society, make things better,

without going through the personal ordeal of rearranging one's

perceptions and transforming one's self. " -Tom Robbins

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