Re: Honey and Young Children

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In a message dated 10/31/02 4:29:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

robinlillian@... writes:

> Maybe I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember reading that you should NEVER

> give honey to very young children. It's got to do with botulism, I

> believe.

Right, but that's infants, not children, either 1 year or 2 years, I forget.

In any case, I was just saying it tasted better raw, nothing to do with

children.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember reading that you should NEVER

give honey to very young children. It's got to do with botulism, I believe.

Robin

From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

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Subject: Re: milkquestions

Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:34:09 -0500

In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:21:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

paul@... writes:

> We get our raw milk from pastured grass-fed Holsteins and it is still

> waaaaaaaaay better than organic store bought milk. (and much cheaper)

>

> IMHO, raw milk from _any_ breed of grass-fed cow is better

> than anything in

> the store.

Just curious, are your Holsteins old-fashioned or modern? I heard that

" old-fashioned " Holsteins have much higher fat-content than modern.

In any case, I'm sure you're right, as unpasteurized olives or honey or

anything else always tastes better than the pasteurized version. But I

think the higher-fat milks would probably be even better tasting than

lower-fat to most people, as the fat gives a very rich flavor.

Chris

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That is what they say. I wonder if that applies to raw honey. Will botulism

grow if the naturally occuring bacteria and enzymes are present? Or it

could also be one of those myths like fat is bad for you. I have no

experience with this.

At 01:27 PM 10/31/02, you wrote:

>Maybe I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember reading that you should NEVER

>give honey to very young children. It's got to do with botulism, I believe.

>

>Robin

>

>From: ChrisMasterjohn@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: milkquestions

>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:34:09 -0500

>

>In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:21:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>paul@... writes:

>

> > We get our raw milk from pastured grass-fed Holsteins and it is still

> > waaaaaaaaay better than organic store bought milk. (and much cheaper)

> >

> > IMHO, raw milk from _any_ breed of grass-fed cow is better

> > than anything in

> > the store.

>

>Just curious, are your Holsteins old-fashioned or modern? I heard that

> " old-fashioned " Holsteins have much higher fat-content than modern.

>

>In any case, I'm sure you're right, as unpasteurized olives or honey or

>anything else always tastes better than the pasteurized version. But I

>think the higher-fat milks would probably be even better tasting than

>lower-fat to most people, as the fat gives a very rich flavor.

>

>Chris

>

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[Guest guest]

>Maybe I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember reading that you should NEVER

>give honey to very young children. It's got to do with botulism, I believe.

>

>Robin

If you have read any tte Levy you will find that honey was

always given to children. It was the advent of vaccines and

pasturized milk and feeding incorrectly not to mention heated honey

that caused this issue of botulism to arise. Compromised immunity.

Just one more food deemed evil!

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Quoting Robin Lillian <robinlillian@...>:

> Maybe I'm wrong, but I distinctly remember reading that you should NEVER

> give honey to very young children. It's got to do with botulism, I

> believe.

That's correct. In general, botulism is the result of consuming botulin

toxin, which is the metabolic waste of botulinum bacteria. Usually, the

bacteria themselves can be consumed without danger because the human body

does not provide a hospitable environment for them to produce botulin

toxin. However, there is a form of botulism called " infant botulism " which

is caused by the growth of botulin bacteria in the infant's intestines.

Honey contains botulinum bacteria, and therefore can cause infant botulism.

I don't know whether this is an issue with raw honey.

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What I've read is that the infant digestive system does not yet

produce enough acid to neutralize that particular bacteria, until

about one year of age, which would allow it to proliferate in their

bodies to the point that the toxins can be produced in large

enough quantity to make the baby sick. I believe this applies to

both raw and pasteurized honey (pasteurization temps are not

high enough to kill botulism). It's a common strain of botulism

associated with bees, and not a problem for adults. Whether it's

actually a problem for infants or another one of those snow-jobs

we've been snookered with, I don't know, but I see no nutritional

reason to feed honey to kids under a year old, anyway.

Aubin

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>>>>It's a common strain of botulism

associated with bees, and not a problem for adults. Whether it's

actually a problem for infants or another one of those snow-jobs

we've been snookered with, I don't know, but I see no nutritional

reason to feed honey to kids under a year old, anyway.

----------->i don't know anything about this issue, but i think we should

start a " snow-jobs we've been snookered with " list, because it's getting

mighty long! LOL

Suze Fisher

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[Guest guest]

My understanding (which may be wrong) is that young children don't have the

enzyme or something developed that is required for digesting honey...

[Guest guest]

Raw honey contains amylase which helps in its digestion.

At 09:01 AM 11/1/02, you wrote:

>My understanding (which may be wrong) is that young children don't have the

>enzyme or something developed that is required for digesting honey...

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