Re: Farm Animals in the City?

[Guest guest]

I live right in the city and have chickens, ducks, turkeys, goats, cats,

dogs. Many cities allow for farm animals, particularly chickens, as pets.

Check you local zoning laws.

[Guest guest]

My best friend had a sizable chicken coop (20 or so) in Berkeley, CA when I was

young. She even had those cool chickens that lay pretty blue and green eggs.

We thought is was hilarious that they would eat ANYTHING including chicken meat.

Nobody seemed to care. But then again, it was Berkeley. People raised all

kinds of things in their backyards (including the evil " green leafy substance " ).

Nowadays, PETA would probably organize a protest on your sidewalk ; )

By the way, the greedy jerks in Washington are almost definitely going to push

the Homeland Insecurity Bill through SOON. Sweden is looking more and more

attractive...is raw milk legal there?

[Guest guest]

Quoting biophile410 <biophile410@...>:

> (maybe we can start a movement - a chicken in every yard!)

It's been done, in a roundabout fashion. First there was " a chicken in

every pot. " And, of course, the Green Party has the " pot in every yard "

plank in their platform. " A chicken in every yard " can be constructed with

a simple syllogism.

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

Quoting <jc137@...>:

> By the way, the greedy jerks in Washington are almost definitely going to

> push the Homeland Insecurity Bill through SOON. Sweden is looking more

> and more attractive...

Sweden? Let's not go overboard!

--

Berg

bberg@...

[Guest guest]

There is an organic store in western Suffolk County that raises chickens

(but the chickens are NOt certified organic), and an organic garden store in

Nassau County that also does it. Both are in New York State. I forget the

names, but I am pretty sure both were grandfathered in. They're both at

least second generation businesses. I don't think a new business would be

allowed to do it now, but the one in Suffolk is in the middle of a

residential area, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems.

As for trying to find a way around the rules, it would probably be a good

idea to find out what the penalty is. It's highly likely your neighbors or

passersby who heard the animals would report you. My co-op even has rules

against feeding birds. My neighbors think that if you don't feed the

birds, they will somehow disappear. They don't like having birds in the

trees because they'll leave droppings on cars parked underneath. One of my

neighbors has a thing about bird droppings on her windows. She calls

pigeons " flying rats. "

Robin

From: " biophile410 " <biophile410@...>

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Subject: Farm Animals in the City?

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:36:26 -0000

Does anyone have any experience (or know anyone who does) with raising

farm animals in a residential or urban area in the USA?

I'm interested in chickens and goats. Especially goats because my (newly

purchased) back yard needs the chomping!

I'm sure it's illegal to have 'non-pet' animals in most urban/suburban

places.

Still I'd love to hear from anyone who has done it or looked into

challenging

the laws. And I want informed opinions on the laws. Are there good reasons

to ban chickens and goats from the city? Or does it come down to that

peculiar brand of American snobbishness?

The impetus for this is looking at the Hieffer International brochure (great

organization, discussed here before) and thinking 'gee, I have land in the

richest country in the world -- and I can't even have a live chicken on it?

What's up with that?'

Thanks,

Daphne (maybe we can start a movement - a chicken in every yard!)

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[Guest guest]

Really?!? How great! May I ask what city you're in?

> I live right in the city and have chickens, ducks, turkeys, goats, cats,

> dogs. Many cities allow for farm animals, particularly chickens, as pets.

> Check you local zoning laws.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the moon might be a better choice. At least it hasn't been

colonized yet!

> Quoting <jc137@n...>:

>

> > By the way, the greedy jerks in Washington are almost definitely

going to

> > push the Homeland Insecurity Bill through SOON. Sweden is

looking more

> > and more attractive...

>

> Sweden? Let's not go overboard!

>

> --

> Berg

> bberg@c...

[Guest guest]

--- Robin I agree. I live 3 miles into the country and our neighbors

don't want farm animals in the country. And they have buddies at the

county seat causing us unnecessary harrassment. They even think they

can tell me what kind of fence to build on a farm. The fines are

ridiculous. And then I pay a fine and take down the unacceptable

fence. Freedom in America is limited. Dennis

In @y..., " Robin Lillian " <robinlillian@h...> wrote:

> There is an organic store in western Suffolk County that raises

chickens

> (but the chickens are NOt certified organic), and an organic garden

store in

> Nassau County that also does it. Both are in New York State. I

forget the

> names, but I am pretty sure both were grandfathered in. They're

both at

> least second generation businesses. I don't think a new business

would be

> allowed to do it now, but the one in Suffolk is in the middle of a

> residential area, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems.

>

>

> As for trying to find a way around the rules, it would probably be

a good

> idea to find out what the penalty is. It's highly likely your

neighbors or

> passersby who heard the animals would report you. My co-op even

has rules

> against feeding birds. My neighbors think that if you don't feed

the

> birds, they will somehow disappear. They don't like having birds

in the

> trees because they'll leave droppings on cars parked underneath.

One of my

> neighbors has a thing about bird droppings on her windows. She

calls

> pigeons " flying rats. "

>

> Robin

>

>

> From: " biophile410 " <biophile410@y...>

> Reply- @y...

> @y...

> Subject: Farm Animals in the City?

> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:36:26 -0000

>

> Does anyone have any experience (or know anyone who does) with

raising

> farm animals in a residential or urban area in the USA?

>

> I'm interested in chickens and goats. Especially goats because my

(newly

> purchased) back yard needs the chomping!

>

> I'm sure it's illegal to have 'non-pet' animals in most

urban/suburban

> places.

> Still I'd love to hear from anyone who has done it or looked into

> challenging

> the laws. And I want informed opinions on the laws. Are there

good reasons

> to ban chickens and goats from the city? Or does it come down to

that

> peculiar brand of American snobbishness?

>

> The impetus for this is looking at the Hieffer International

brochure (great

> organization, discussed here before) and thinking 'gee, I have land

in the

> richest country in the world -- and I can't even have a live

chicken on it?

> What's up with that?'

>

> Thanks,

> Daphne (maybe we can start a movement - a chicken in every yard!)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Different areas of Seattle and Portland allow for chickens. In fact there

was one organization in Seattle that had an annual fundraiser selling tickets

for home tours that was " chicken house tours " . You would buy a ticket for

$13 or so and spend the day visiting 8 homes or so that had chicken coops. I

remember one was by an apartment complex and another was on top of a

condominum. Some of them were more like something Martha would

design but still functional. Different areas allow for pygmy goats, ducks,

etc. Check your zoning laws.