Re: appendicitis

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Hi, Doris & all,

I too was sick very often as a child. Actually was diagnosed once with

appendicitis - then the white count went down so they didn't do anything. I

found out later that my white count goes down within a day of any infection,

so I was probably still with appendicitis that time, and with nothing done,

but still came out OK.

But pain or lack of it is not a good sign either - my hospital roomie when I

had my appendix out (finally, at age 35) also had appendicitis, but no pain.

He was ready to walk out, when they came back with a sky-high white count.

(I got lucky - I got the pain.....) Some eople not only don't complain of

the pain - they don't have it. No nerves in the gut in many such cases -

similar to no nerves in the brain, so they can do brain surgery without

general anaesthesia. (Gut and brain have a common origin during fetal

development.)

Jerry

>I had a very similar experience when I was a child. I

>was one of those kids who always had a stomach ache,

>which eventually went away on its own, so I much have

>been faking it. When I was 16, I had a similar

>situation, except not vomiting blood, and the MDs

>decided I was constipated. Before they did my white

>count, they started to give me mineral oil, which will

>cause the appendix to burst. When they finally took

>it out, they had to scrape it off everything near the

>colon as it had " melted " . They figured then that I

>must have had chronic appendicitis since about age 5. I still have scar

>tissue that looks like urinary

>stones on most imaging.

>

>My theory is that there is a large percentage of the

>population that is much less likely to complain of

>pain, for whatever reason, until it is extreme. The

>medical mind is not trained to deal with this and

>rejects out of hand that someone could have " that much

>pain for that long " without having done something

>about it, so they must be faking. It has taken nearly

>three years to dx my son's reflux for much the same

>reason.

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Thanks to Jerry, Doris, Rich, and others who responded

to my note -

I guess from your replies that none of you experienced

any impact on your CFS since your surgery? I've been

feeling much better once I recovered from the shock of

the operation, at least energy-wise, so I'm wondering

if the infection had something to do with my prolonged

fatigue. Just a thought - maybe wishful thinking!

Best, Jennie

--- Jerry <jerrycam@...> wrote:

> Hi, Doris & all,

>

> I too was sick very often as a child. Actually was

> diagnosed once with

> appendicitis - then the white count went down so

> they didn't do anything. I

> found out later that my white count goes down within

> a day of any infection,

> so I was probably still with appendicitis that time,

> and with nothing done,

> but still came out OK.

>

> But pain or lack of it is not a good sign either -

> my hospital roomie when I

> had my appendix out (finally, at age 35) also had

> appendicitis, but no pain.

> He was ready to walk out, when they came back with a

> sky-high white count.

> (I got lucky - I got the pain.....) Some eople not

> only don't complain of

> the pain - they don't have it. No nerves in the gut

> in many such cases -

> similar to no nerves in the brain, so they can do

> brain surgery without

> general anaesthesia. (Gut and brain have a common

> origin during fetal

> development.)

>

> Jerry

>

>

> >I had a very similar experience when I was a child.

> I

> >was one of those kids who always had a stomach

> ache,

> >which eventually went away on its own, so I much

> have

> >been faking it. When I was 16, I had a similar

> >situation, except not vomiting blood, and the MDs

> >decided I was constipated. Before they did my

> white

> >count, they started to give me mineral oil, which

> will

> >cause the appendix to burst. When they finally

> took

> >it out, they had to scrape it off everything near

> the

> >colon as it had " melted " . They figured then that I

> >must have had chronic appendicitis since about age

> 5. I still have scar

> >tissue that looks like urinary

> >stones on most imaging.

> >

> >My theory is that there is a large percentage of

> the

> >population that is much less likely to complain of

> >pain, for whatever reason, until it is extreme.

> The

> >medical mind is not trained to deal with this and

> >rejects out of hand that someone could have " that

> much

> >pain for that long " without having done something

> >about it, so they must be faking. It has taken

> nearly

> >three years to dx my son's reflux for much the same

> >reason.

>

>

>

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At 12:31 AM 10/23/02 -0700, you wrote:

>Interesting story about your dad, Wanita. Both of my

>parents would be dead if it wasn't for emergency

>appendectomies.

Was my husband, Lierre but our daughter wouldn't be here if he couldn't have

gone to Boston.

My dad was 4 years old and a refugee

>fleeing Stalin. He had his appenidix out by candle

>light and essentially without anesthesia in a

>displaced persons camp. I can't imagine what that must

>have been like.

Sounds similar to my grandmother wiring together a gaping cut in my Dad's

forearm after he got his arm stuck in a wringer washing machine that had no

reverse during the Depression.

Luckily he hardly remembers anything

>about it.

Husband doesn't remember the trip to Boston, only the nice nurses and the pain

before.

Half the world away and safely in America,

>my mom had flu-like symptoms and her mother called the

>family doctor. He was going to the opera that evening

>and since he'd be driving through my mom's

>neighborhood he decided to stop by to check on

>it--this was back in the days when dr's made

>housecalls. Good thing, too, because he took one look

>at her and knew it was bad. He was wearing his tuxedo,

>but he picked her up and ran down the stairs to his

>car and flew through all the red lights to the

>hospital. Her appendix burst while they were operating

>but she survived. So here I am, appendix and all!

>   But how do we guard against dietary fanatacism.

>When I was a vegan, it all seemed to make so much

>sense--healthwise, there's tons of information about

>the " dangers " of animals products etc, and I had it

>all at my fingertips. I really thought I was doing the

>right thing. And if you're surrounded by like-minded

>others, as was the woman who died, and the

>teacher/leader types tell you western medicine is the

>root of all evil and the body can heal itself if you

>give it a chance... well, I'm certainly wary of the

>medical system and inclined to believe that the body

>has its own wisdom. So I understand how she got hooked

>in. But the agony she must have experienced! Doesn't

>the will to survive--or just the desperation to get

>the pain to stop--kick in at some point and overrule

>ideology?

I can only guess at her pain similar to mine with ovarian cysts. I hung in

there after the ob/gyn said operate, went to my homeopath who referred me to

acupuncture that worked wonders. That was because the dr. I'd seen before

thought a psychiatrist was the only thing I needed when nothing physical could

be found. Psychiatrist didn't agree and immediately released me. My philosophy

has become there are things you can take on yourself, others that can be

helped

by a professional naturally and others that are so acute that the medical

world

is the only way to go. My husband would be an amputee right now if it wasn't

for acute trauma care. Almost all with me has been the opposite, hard to

diagnose and/or the wrong dr. even if it was diagnosed. Is it possible that

fruitarians did not or do not have the same will to survive? Must have been do

(become vegetarian or omnivore) or die at some point in evolution. Have heard

that true vegetarians have an extremely high resistance to pain or lessened

feeling like no need for anasthetic at dentist. Sad no matter how you look at

it.

Wanita