Re: Re: advice on email list results in woman's death

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In a message dated 10/22/02 9:17:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

johnny_tesla@... writes:

> (genocide dosn't refer to animals, but even if it did,

> genocide would still not apply because growing animals for food is

> not a process of wiping out those species).

I don't think it's the right word, only because the animal populations are

being replenished. But I think the strength of the word should carry over

into however we describe what we do to animals in this country. 400 cows an

hour in a single " farm " coming down a conveyer belt to be bolted in the head

is not treating the cow as what it is-- a living, sentient, being, with

significant emotional capacity-- but as a product. Genocide is, at root, a

denial of the humanity of the victims that allows them to be treated as

inanimate objects to be gotten rid of. Cows don't have " humanity " but they

have something-- cowity? ;-) -- that is being dispicably denied, and I think

that needs a word with the strength of genocide to describe it.

Chris

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>the cause of Dr. Atkins heart attack?

What's this about Dr. Atkins? Did I miss something while I was gone?

Peace,

Kris , gardening in harmony with nature in northwest Ohio

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Can seeded grapes do this to anyone? I thought I was wierd when I was

spitting all my seeds out when some guy passed around some seeded grapes at

the Sally Fallon lecture I went to the other day, maybe I was saving myself!

Is it inherent in the seeds, or only for people in bad health?

Chris

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Didn't read it but didn't have to. My husband when he was 6 ate a lot of

seeded

grapes on Christmas Eve. Didn't want to ruin the next day for his family so

kept quiet he didn't feel well all day. That night he finally told his Mom who

rushed him to the hospital with appendicitis.At some point it ruptured, they

brought him to Boston in the ambulance, resuscitated him from death twice on

the hour plus trip and he spent more than a month in the hospital until they

got the peritonitis under control. The doctor said it was the grape seeds that

aggravated his appendix. Has a damaged lung from the collapsing.

Wanita

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Quoting " Dr. Marasco " <mmarasco@...>:

> Always remember chris that ANY infection regardless of how

> it " should " be treated is a sign of a lack of health and weakened

> immunity.

Appendicitis isn't an infection, is it? I thought that it was typically

caused by a mechanical perforation of the appendix.

--

Berg

bberg@...

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At 04:11 PM 10/22/02 -0400, you wrote:

>Can seeded grapes do this to anyone?  I thought I was wierd when I was

>spitting all my seeds out when some guy passed around some seeded grapes at

>the Sally Fallon lecture I went to the other day, maybe I was saving

myself! 

>Is it inherent in the seeds, or only for people in bad health?

>

>Chris

I'm assuming that the seeds were the catalyst to make it full blown and very

acute. That the dr. had seen such before to make the statement. Think they

blocked an appendix duct. Doubt they know if inflammation is present before or

grape seeds bring it all on. When I was younger too there were no seedless

grapes and they were much seedier than seeded now. May be a reason for

hybridization to seedless varieties. Don't hear of appendicitis like you did

30-40 years ago. Then again isn't grapeseed extract and oil medicinals now.

Wanita

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At 09:41 AM 10/22/02 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/22/02 9:17:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>johnny_tesla@... writes:

>

>

>> (genocide dosn't refer to animals, but even if it did,

>> genocide would still not apply because growing animals for food is

>> not a process of wiping out those species).

>

>I don't think it's the right word, only because the animal populations are

>being replenished.  But I think the strength of the word should carry over

>into however we describe what we do to animals in this country.  400 cows an

>hour in a single " farm " coming down a conveyer belt to be bolted in the head

>is not treating the cow as what it is-- a living, sentient, being, with

>significant emotional capacity-- but as a product.  Genocide is, at root, a

>denial of the humanity of the victims that allows them to be treated as

>inanimate objects to be gotten rid of.  Cows don't have " humanity " but they

>have something-- cowity? ;-) -- that is being dispicably denied, and I think

>that needs a word with the strength of genocide to describe it.

>

>Chris

Saw a tv show few months back where they talked to the autistic woman who

developed the conveyor/bolt system at Colorado's largest processing plant. She

claimed she has an affinity with the cows (communication of some sort) and her

system was the least traumatic on them. To me it was a load of bull. Not

saying

she can't feel what they feel, saying there is no way the confinement of the

conveyor can create security nevermind the fallibility of the bolt

described in

Fast Food Nation. The only way for beef processing to regain its dignity is a

return to the county slaughterhouse where professional people not machines

do a

service for those concerned about their livestock's life more than the end

profit. There's a Native American prophecy that basically says the world is

lifeless once it loses it's respect for life.

Wanita

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I eat grape seeds all the time. Never had a problem. In my opinion, thats where

alot of the nutrition is found in fruits & vegetables. Might help to chew them

thouroughly if ytoue are concerned, Chris

ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:Can seeded grapes do this to anyone? I thought I

was wierd when I was

spitting all my seeds out when some guy passed around some seeded grapes at

the Sally Fallon lecture I went to the other day, maybe I was saving myself!

Is it inherent in the seeds, or only for people in bad health?

Chris