Re: Re: New and exciting ways to process real food

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In a message dated 10/14/02 9:57:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ------->the gist of it was that they heat their raw cheeses to a temp

> *below* the pasteurization temp, so as to kill pathogens, but not hot

enough

> to kill some of the enzymes that are killed when pasteurized. at least,

> that's my memory of the discussion.

They heat it to 150 degrees (way over 115!), and they claim they check for

phosphotase levels and other enzymes. Of course, I don't know what " levels "

they check for, since even pasteurized milk has some phosphotase left...

Someone on the list recently said they found Wild Oats brand raw cheese to be

heated to 130. Maybe we should just call every raw cheese manufacturer we

can find in the store, and post the lowest-heat ones to the list or

something...

Chris

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[Guest guest]

>>>>I must have missed the organic valley raw discussion. Fill me in.

I have always suspected they were lying .. er innacurate in their

labeling in as much their 'raw' cheese is way too tame to be raw.

------->the gist of it was that they heat their raw cheeses to a temp

*below* the pasteurization temp, so as to kill pathogens, but not hot enough

to kill some of the enzymes that are killed when pasteurized. at least,

that's my memory of the discussion.

Suze Fisher

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Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

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I ate raw eggs (free range organic) and drank raw milk throughout my

pregnancy. I have a very healthy 6 month old baby.

Irene

At 06:05 AM 10/14/02, you wrote:

>I would imagine someone has died doing everything at this point from

>dying during sex to dying during toothbrushing. My wife ate raw

>cheese for her entire pregnancy. Conclusion ... not dead :-)

>

>DMM

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> > I read the New Yorker article about the Raw Cheese Underground --

>it was the

> > Aug. 19 issue i believe. I highly recommend it. Anyway, the story

>said you

> > can pretty much find raw cheese at high-end delis/gourmet shops in

>more

> > urban areas. You have to ask or know the kinds of cheese that are

>likely to

> > be raw. The article listed all the names. They know it's illegal

>but because

> > of demand from connoisseurs they sell it anyway. One store even put

>a sign

> > under that week's raw cheese saying " Quick, get this cheese before

>the FDA

> > does. " The article also said people do die from raw cheese. Not

>very many.

> > Seven have died in France but i can't remember in how many years.

>To be

> > honest i'm a little wary to eat it while pregnant.

> > Elaine

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