{Cures now 60,017} COLLAGEN AND ELASTIN AND DROOP

[Guest guest]

Dear Keely:

Thank you for your thoughts and ideas.

I may not have been clear about my request.

One of the things I have noticed about us as we are on the planet longer is

that gravity has a greater grab on our tissues, inside and outside.

It occurred to me that the depletion of collagen and elastin that has been

associated with the “droop†could be healed with Immunics.

This was not meant to be a request specific for me.

I am sure I am not the only one concerned about gravity and wish to enhance

the two primary things in our integumental structures including the more

visible skin to reverse or at least prevent further droop.

I have tested about the other things and clearly they are important to

address but do not seem to be directly related to this. I am doing many

things

in my life to enhance what collagen and elastin I have.

I have done other healing techniques that can change physical structures

such as reversing as well as causing rapid healing of injuries.

My question was sent with the hope that it would begin a discussion among

those who have been thinking about this from an Immunics perspective.

In any case I continue to do what I said I was doing several times a day and

seem to notice a difference. I will continue to advise you as time passes.

Thanks again,

In a message dated 7/18/2008 9:20:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

keely_stahl@... writes:

Hi, - Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but I forgot to

flag your message the first time I read it. Anyway, I'm delighted that you

wrote back and also that you addressed it to the entire CureDrive. That way we

can have a little dialogue in the presence of our colleagues and maybe have

a good effect on someone out there, too.

The first thing that occurs to me is that you can test for substances that

will help you heal this. It's one of the most basic Immunics procedures for

curing anything. We old-time Immunics masters do this automatically, so it's a

really good thing for you to start doing, till it becomes kind of a habit

for you. Substances could include vitamins, minerals, specific formulas or

labels, herbs, foods, combinations of vegetables or fruits for juicing -- you

name it. There's a procedure for doing this that we call book testing or list

testing. If you're not familiar with it, here's a link:

http://www.wayimmune.org/colleague/talks/spiritual.htm

It's the same thing we recommend when we tell you to go to the Hub and test

for what you need each day. You're testing through a list or a hub. By the

same token you can walk into your local health food store and test through the

store -- should I go here? There? And once you get the specific area(s),

you test for which shelves, then which items -- get the picture? (Or instead

of a store, let your fingers do the walking through a catalog. or the

internet).

So the first question would be something like:

" Are there any substances that will help me cure this collagen/elastin loss? "

If yes, you go on inquiring about the specifics. Like if some substance

pops into your mind when you ask that, then test: " Would that substance help me

cure this? " And then you test quantities or how often, etc.

By the way, if you get a no to that question - no substances will help you -

before taking that answer at face value, you could test whether you're

getting any interference. And explore about that.

There are other things you can " list test " about, such as physical

activities, life style, activities, environment, et al., that could help the

healing.

And you can inquire about whether there's anything in your present physical

regimen or life style that is contributing to the collagen/elastin loss.

As you can see, the stuff I'm talking about is very specific. You're going

to be like Sondheim composing a song, which according to him isn't

much different from constructing a crossword puzzle. Piece by piece. Putting

it together.

I tend to put lots of attention on the physical, but years ago when I was

healing my problematic liver, I remember getting the most mileage from making

inquiries about emotional and spiritual issues, such as anger, blame,

resentment. I found those things by checking out the organ symptoms page on

our web

site (in Skill 1, Application 5) and seeing what was related to the liver. I

used to sit on the floor of my living room/office and just stare at the

carpet for what seemed like hours waiting for things to enter my mind about

those

issues. And when something surfaced, I'd test about it. That's also how I

found my Dr. Su, who gave me acupuncture and herbs and told me I was going to

be fine. And she was right.

I also had my buddy Bayard to test things with at the time, and it was his

suggestions about stuff in the emotional and spiritual areas that led me in

the right direction. Greg and Frannie helped me think about stuff, too. So

if you don't have a testing buddy in your life yet, see if you can get

yourself one (or more).

Till you do that, use the Hub as your buddy. That's what we designed it

for. Surf through the hub to see where you get some kind of signal, then go

there -- don't be surprised if you get something that seems completely off the

wall and irrelevant. The other day when I tested through the Hub regarding a

financial question, I got the particle index called " endearment. " Go figure.

But I hung out with it all day and had some good insights.

Do you see other ways you can get more specific about curing this? I'm

concerned about collagen and elastin loss, too, so I'm looking forward to

hearing

from you again. I'd like to hear what you discover and what other areas you

find to explore. Write back at any point, even before you start getting

answers. Happy testing -- this is exciting --

Love, Keely

Re: {Cures now 60,017} For your eyes only

Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 6:55 PM

Dear All:

I have been meaning to give you an update on the Macular degeneration.

I worked extensively on the Macular degeneration issues with all of the

suggestions given. I must say that life event was a big motivator for me to

go

deeper into the site. I have " dabbled " � but often got lost and

overwhelmed

with the process.

I know Bayard has a hands-off approach and that may work for most. I

needed

more of a coach and appreciated the help of those who advised me.

In any case with the direction I got I felt a good deal of relief with all

of the work I did. I did essentially what is listed in this email.

However, in the past month I had a second opinion and it was felt that I

had

age related retinal pigmentation that was misdiagnosed by the first doctor

as Macular degeneration.

I have since had further studies and the macula is OK.

My vision changes are most likely do to deterioration of a Radial

Keratotomy

procedure I had done 15 years ago. I am still being checked out for

glaucoma as that might be another cause.

Macular degeneration does run in my family. My father went blind with this

and glaucoma. I believe that the work I did will help to prevent

problems.

I continue to test clear for problems.

I have been using Immunics to clear just about anything and feel a relief

when I do.

Thanks much for your guidance.

In a message dated 7/2/2008 2:54:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

keely_stahl@ writes:

Want to be among the 50% of people who do NOT contract macular

degeneration later in life? (No, this is not an ad.)

Test:

- Do I have macular degeneration in any of my bodies?

- Are there any precursors of, predisposing conditions to,

or tendencies toward macular degeneration in any of my bodies?

If you got yes, click on this link and painstakingly test

through all the bodies on the list:

http://www.immunics .org/colleague/ 1_lists/bodlst. htm

Remove any macular degeneration and/or tendencies and/or precursors to

macular degeneration from each body you find them in.

When you've completed the last body, re-check all the bodies with this

statement:

" My (NAME OF BODY) is completely free of all traces of macular

degeneration. "

Go through all the bodies till you get a clean test on all of them.

Do this even if you have previously tested that you have no trace of

this condition or its precursors.

Do this check regularly and diligently for this and ANY OTHER DISEASE

OR CONDITION you are concerned about. Get to the point where you

consistently find no trace of it in any of your bodies.

This is the essence of protecting yourself (and your people) from

incipient catastrophes.

Love,

Your Aunt Keely

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- Have you tested any of the questions I suggested to you in my last email

(below), or any similar questions?  Or done any other immunics for

collagen/elastin loss and droop?

Test whether this is a physical, an emotional, or a spiritual issue, or any

combination of the three.  By the way, this will differ for different people.

Love, Keely

From: KSKieferDOaol (DOT) com <KSKieferDO@ aol. com>

Subject: Re: {Cures now 60,017} For your eyes only

Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 6:55 PM

Dear All:

I have been meaning to give you an update on the Macular degeneration.

I worked extensively on the Macular degeneration issues with all of the

suggestions given. I must say that life event was a big motivator for me to

go

deeper into the site. I have " dabbled " � but often got lost and

overwhelmed

with the process.

I know Bayard has a hands-off approach and that may work for most. I

needed

more of a coach and appreciated the help of those who advised me.

In any case with the direction I got I felt a good deal of relief with all

of the work I did. I did essentially what is listed in this email.

However, in the past month I had a second opinion and it was felt that I

had

age related retinal pigmentation that was misdiagnosed by the first doctor

as Macular degeneration.

I have since had further studies and the macula is OK.

My vision changes are most likely do to deterioration of a Radial

Keratotomy

procedure I had done 15 years ago. I am still being checked out for

glaucoma as that might be another cause.

Macular degeneration does run in my family. My father went blind with this

and glaucoma. I believe that the work I did will help to prevent

problems.

I continue to test clear for problems.

I have been using Immunics to clear just about anything and feel a relief

when I do.

Thanks much for your guidance.

In a message dated 7/2/2008 2:54:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

keely_stahl@ writes:

Want to be among the 50% of people who do NOT contract macular

degeneration later in life? (No, this is not an ad.)

Test:

- Do I have macular degeneration in any of my bodies?

- Are there any precursors of, predisposing conditions to,

or tendencies toward macular degeneration in any of my bodies?

If you got yes, click on this link and painstakingly test

through all the bodies on the list:

http://www.immunics .org/colleague/ 1_lists/bodlst. htm

Remove any macular degeneration and/or tendencies and/or precursors to

macular degeneration from each body you find them in.

When you've completed the last body, re-check all the bodies with this

statement:

" My (NAME OF BODY) is completely free of all traces of macular

degeneration. "

Go through all the bodies till you get a clean test on all of them.

Do this even if you have previously tested that you have no trace of

this condition or its precursors.

Do this check regularly and diligently for this and ANY OTHER DISEASE

OR CONDITION you are concerned about. Get to the point where you

consistently find no trace of it in any of your bodies.

This is the essence of protecting yourself (and your people) from

incipient catastrophes.

Love,

Your Aunt Keely

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