Re: How NT has changed my life

December 10, 2002

In a message dated 12/10/02 2:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, je@...

writes:

> I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and I am only 27 years old... my

> doctor wants to put me on fosomax but I've heard some horror stories about

> this drug so I am trying some alternative things bone broths etc..

> suggestions anyone?

>

I am treating a different but probably somewhat realated problem-- horrible

levels of tooth decay. I imagine proper utilization of clacium and other

minerals into the skeletal system are at the bottom of both problems.

Certainly bone broths are a good idea. In addition, I would add raw milk, or

a cultured raw milk product if possible. If not possible, I would make a pot

of bone stock several times a week. I do so once a week right now alongside

a gallon and a half to two gallons of raw milk a week.

A must for calcium absorption is cod liver oil. This contains preformed

vitamin A, vitamin D, and omega-3s, all needed for calcium abosorption, and

the first two hard to find elsewhere, unless you are willing to eat, say, raw

liver. For some reason, there seems to be a synergistic effect with butter,

so include lots of that. If possible, the butter oil sold from

4radiantlife.com (.org? I forget) would be best, but I can't afford it.

Drastically avoid caffeine nicotine and all stimulants and anything that

could raise cortisol levels. I still drink coffee once or twice a week even

though I shouldn't, but your problem might be worse enough to not slide on

this.

Get lots of exercise and sunshine to reduce cortisol levels.

Meditate or pray or do anything that fits you to reduce stress levels.

Oh, and avoid sugar, which upsets calcium aborption.

If my understanding is correct that osteperosis is related to calcium

absorption than this should be good advice. I think maybe there's a section

on osteoperosis at westonaprice.org? I forget.

Hope it helps some,

Chris

December 10, 2002

My adherence to NT is VERY modified (I eat out a lot, can't give up tea and

chocolate, etc.) but I also love to cook and I basically have an " NT Kitchen. "

Fermented veggies and milk, bone broths, grass-fed meat, lots of butter, coconut

oil, no veggie oils (except olive and avocado), no white flour, no junky

processed food, no soy products, etc. My health was ok before I made these

changes, but now I hardly ever get sick. This time of year, I normally would

have had a cold with a severe sore throat at some point. Now, my colleagues are

dropping like flies and I am fine...it's fabulous. My goal is to really commit

to cutting out all refined sugar and grain products (even when I'm eating out)

and to try to eat liver. My first purchase of grass fed liver is still in my

freezer from three months ago. Can't quite go there yet.

December 10, 2002

I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and I am only 27 years old... my

doctor wants to put me on fosomax but I've heard some horror stories about

this drug so I am trying some alternative things bone broths etc..

suggestions anyone?

jen

----- Original Message -----

From: <beckymauldin@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:11 AM

Subject: How NT has changed my life

> I can't help but think of all the work and dedication that went into

> creating Nourishing Traditions every time I read it. The scope of

> the book is phenomenal and it's message even more powerful. And I

> want to thank Sally for what it took to bring Weston Price's work to

> the public who so desperately needs it now more than ever.

>

> It is an encouragement to me to see this list grow and to hear

> stories of how people's health has been improving. I have had great

> success with a modified version of this diet that leans heavily on

> the raw side with no grains. As I apply NT's principles, I am

> watching my health and my husband's health improve. And through my

> experience and folks on this list, I am realizing the powerful

> benefits of lacto fermented foods, gelatin stocks, and other properly

> prepared foods.

>

> I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> it!

>

> Let's help to encourage each other to go the extra mile in preparing

> nourishing foods.

>

> Thanks,

> Becky

>

December 10, 2002

Hello, i would highly recommend the book " How We Heal " by douglas on,

North Atlantic Books. His website is www.d.w.m.com

Very worthwhile info, Chris

PS i've started a forum for the discussion of topics related to his book.

email howweheal-subscribe

hope to see you there

>From: " Evely " <je@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: How NT has changed my life

>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:35:15 -0800

>

>I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and I am only 27 years old... my

>doctor wants to put me on fosomax but I've heard some horror stories about

>this drug so I am trying some alternative things bone broths etc..

>suggestions anyone?

>

>jen

>----- Original Message -----

>From: <beckymauldin@...>

>< >

>Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:11 AM

>Subject: How NT has changed my life

>

> > I can't help but think of all the work and dedication that went into

> > creating Nourishing Traditions every time I read it. The scope of

> > the book is phenomenal and it's message even more powerful. And I

> > want to thank Sally for what it took to bring Weston Price's work to

> > the public who so desperately needs it now more than ever.

> >

> > It is an encouragement to me to see this list grow and to hear

> > stories of how people's health has been improving. I have had great

> > success with a modified version of this diet that leans heavily on

> > the raw side with no grains. As I apply NT's principles, I am

> > watching my health and my husband's health improve. And through my

> > experience and folks on this list, I am realizing the powerful

> > benefits of lacto fermented foods, gelatin stocks, and other properly

> > prepared foods.

> >

> > I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> > (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> > this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> > it!

> >

> > Let's help to encourage each other to go the extra mile in preparing

> > nourishing foods.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Becky

> >

December 10, 2002

I am 54 and have been diagnosed for 3 years. I have made some gains in bone

density with exercise and improvement in my diet. I have not done as well

with diet as I should. The suggestions below are great ones. I also think,

that magnesium plays a vital role in bone density. Possibly even more than

calicum. I can't remember right now but I think some magnesium websites

have been talked about in the past on this group. Deborah

----- Original Message -----

From: <ChrisMasterjohn@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: How NT has changed my life

> In a message dated 12/10/02 2:43:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,

je@...

> writes:

>

> > I was recently diagnosed with osteoporosis and I am only 27 years old...

my

> > doctor wants to put me on fosomax but I've heard some horror stories

about

> > this drug so I am trying some alternative things bone broths etc..

> > suggestions anyone?

> >

>

> I am treating a different but probably somewhat realated problem--

horrible

> levels of tooth decay. I imagine proper utilization of clacium and other

> minerals into the skeletal system are at the bottom of both problems.

>

> Certainly bone broths are a good idea. In addition, I would add raw milk,

or

> a cultured raw milk product if possible. If not possible, I would make a

pot

> of bone stock several times a week. I do so once a week right now

alongside

> a gallon and a half to two gallons of raw milk a week.

>

> A must for calcium absorption is cod liver oil. This contains preformed

> vitamin A, vitamin D, and omega-3s, all needed for calcium abosorption,

and

> the first two hard to find elsewhere, unless you are willing to eat, say,

raw

> liver. For some reason, there seems to be a synergistic effect with

butter,

> so include lots of that. If possible, the butter oil sold from

> 4radiantlife.com (.org? I forget) would be best, but I can't afford it.

>

> Drastically avoid caffeine nicotine and all stimulants and anything that

> could raise cortisol levels. I still drink coffee once or twice a week

even

> though I shouldn't, but your problem might be worse enough to not slide on

> this.

>

> Get lots of exercise and sunshine to reduce cortisol levels.

>

> Meditate or pray or do anything that fits you to reduce stress levels.

>

> Oh, and avoid sugar, which upsets calcium aborption.

>

> If my understanding is correct that osteperosis is related to calcium

> absorption than this should be good advice. I think maybe there's a

section

> on osteoperosis at westonaprice.org? I forget.

>

> Hope it helps some,

> Chris

>

December 10, 2002

Hi ,

If you take the liver and slice it into finger size pieces it some

how seems more manageable. It cooks very fast so watch it like a

hawk. It tastes much better if it is not over cooked. Add a heap of

sauted onions and some crisp bacon with it. This is a great way to

try liver for the first time. I like it without soaking it in lemon

juice first, but many first timers might want to do the soaking

following the Nourishing Traditons recipe.

Enjoy,

Sheila

> My adherence to NT is VERY modified (I eat out a lot, can't give up

tea and chocolate, etc.) but I also love to cook and I basically have

an " NT Kitchen. " Fermented veggies and milk, bone broths, grass-fed

meat, lots of butter, coconut oil, no veggie oils (except olive and

avocado), no white flour, no junky processed food, no soy products,

etc. My health was ok before I made these changes, but now I hardly

ever get sick. This time of year, I normally would have had a cold

with a severe sore throat at some point. Now, my colleagues are

dropping like flies and I am fine...it's fabulous. My goal is to

really commit to cutting out all refined sugar and grain products

(even when I'm eating out) and to try to eat liver. My first

purchase of grass fed liver is still in my freezer from three months

ago. Can't quite go there yet.

>

December 11, 2002

Quoting " beckymauldin2001 <beckymauldin@...> "

<beckymauldin@...>:

> I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> it!

I had been on a reasonably healthful, reduced-carbohydrate diet since I was

sixteen (I'll be twenty-two next week), so I didn't have a lot of major

health problems to overcome. However, I did have pretty bad allergies, mild

acne, and a lot of trouble resisting junk-food cravings. Since I've

switched to a RAF(Raw Animal Foods)-oriented NT-style diet, all that is

gone. Also, my shoes smell better, my elbows are smoother, and I usually

wake up after seven and a half hours of sleep without using an alarm clock.

--

Berg

bberg@...

December 11, 2002

Hi Becky:

> I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> it!

I was on the SAD diet basically all my life until I was 34 years old. Then

I got diagnosed in October 1999 with very severe aplastic anemia which is

major bone marrow failure. (Not your garden variety anemia.) My immune

system was so depressed that I developed an infection and was hospitalized

in reverse isolation. (A room behind a room with special air filters.

People had to wash their hands and wear masks before entering my room.) To

make a long story short, I ended up having close to 200 transfusions of red

blood cells and platelets. I didn't take any of the conventional treatments

for aplastic anemia, but rather switched to a completely vegan diet which

was mostly raw. After a year and a half I was able to get off transfusions

with that diet, but was still very anemic. My white count had improved to

about half of what a normal person should be but seemed to get stuck there.

So, I did more research and found Aajonous' raw animal diet and from there

learned about the NT way. I've been adding animal foods, both raw and

cooked, with lots of raw butter, raw unheated honey, soaking my grains such

as brown rice and millet, etc. since December 24, 2001. I quickly started

to make noticeable improvements. Yesterday I had my CBC (complete blood

count) done and my white count is completely normal My hemoglobin is

normal, and I've just completed my 4th phlebotomy to reduce the

iron-overload I accumulated from all the red cell transfusions. There are

still a few things that are off like my platelet levels and MCV, but they're

moving in the right direction. Now I'm experimenting with goat milk,

kombucha, milk thistle, and a couple of other things. Hopefully, I'll be

back to normal soon. But, I feel really good now. My mind is clearer, and

I hope to be in better shape than before I got sick. My doctor is amazed at

my progress and had at one point been discussing bone marrow transplants

with me. No more! Thank God for people like Sally who is digging up old

truths that have almost been buried. Thanks to all the conscientious

farmers who care to provide people like us with quality foods. Thanks also

to all the people who have been sharing their knowledge and experiences.

I've seen a lot of suffering out there, but am so glad that there are groups

like this share to share resources. I feel like I've told my story millions

of times, but it's in hopes that others can see that natural healing really

works.

Marla

December 11, 2002

Hi Becky:

> I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> it!

I was on the SAD diet up until I went to college. I mean *really* SAD. I

ate constantly without thought to nutrition. I went through phases as

well. At one time I had to have a box of pop tarts and some OJ every day.

Then it was a whole box of fig newtons and OJ. Then it was hostess pies

for awhile. My favorite phase was the foot long hot dog phase. Haven't

seen much of them out west but they were a staple down south.

When I went to Mcs I would order two quarter pounders with cheese,

a large order of fries, a large strawberry shake and an apple pie. And

then two hours later we high schoolers would be back again, especially

Friday nights. Free time our parents cars and disposable money. What a

life.

I had a brief scare in high school when I thought something was wrong

with my heart. After a thorough examination the Doctor told me he thought

it was just muscular. What the heck did that mean? But it was enough to

palliate me for the moment and I went about my merry way. That would come

back to haunt me later however.

I think what saved me was that I was extremely athletic. Played

competitive sports all year around and stayed in great physical shape.

But all of us - guys and girls alike - had huge appetites. And we did

everything in the extreme. We studied hard and we played hard, no real

middle ground.

Then I got sick in college. Pneumonia to be exact. There were four days

when they weren't sure I was going to make it. My mother came and slept

in my room. I thought she was being nice. Later I discovered that she

thought I might die. When that episode was over I looked so bad I gave

skinny people a bad name.

Two years later at the tender age of nineteen I still wasn't right. I

found myself saying " you are amongst the top college athletes in the

country, what the heck is wrong with you? "

At that point I tore into researching health and nutrition. Thanks to my

own experiences and the work of Dr. Mendelsohn in _Confessions Of

A Medical Heretic_ (still the first " health " book I recommend for all

newbies) I had come to greatly distrust the medical profession. Which was

interesting since I had come to college on an athletic scholarship to be

a medical lawyer, i.e a lawyer with both a JD and MD specializing in

malpractice suits. So I had to do my own legwork.

Well I became my first patient. I read a book my dad had around when I

was a kid called _Make Your Juicer Your Drug Store_. That was my intro to

whole foods and also fasting. I fasted 21 days. You wouldn't believe the

crap that came out of my system and how much better I felt. It was a

revelation but it was only the beginning.

The second grenade was _Sugar Blues_. After reading that I understood

that my being sick was my own damn fault. And if I was going to be well

it was my responsibility as well. I told everyone within shouting

distance about this book. Friend and foe alike thought I had gone off the

deep end.

Then came the bomb, the _Milk Book_ by s. At that

time the hardcover version was called _The Milk of Human Kindness is

Unpasteurized_. This was my segue into NT style eating and healing. It

taught me the value of raw animal foods (particularly grass fed) and

forever cured me of any illusions about vegetarianism. And it was here

that I finally beat the lingering effects of my pneumonia, heart, and

thyroid problems.

It was after several months on a milk and fruit diet that people started

asking me how I got well and what was I doing to look so good. That would

start another phase of my life. But that is a story for another time.

The final bomb was NAPD by Weston Price. He filled in all the gaps (along

with Gerson and Crewe). By this point I had read many many books and

studies, many with conflicting points of view. I was also working with

sick folks behind the scenes in my spare time. But it was the work of Dr.

Price (and my own experiential work) that kept me on an even keel and

steadily moving forward. I had times along the way where I deviated from

the ideal but not too far because of Dr. Price.

I was eating lots of raw animal foods before I ever heard of the RAF way

of eating. I was eating NT style before I ever heard of such a diet.

Sally Fallon and Aajonus Vonderplanitz came into my life very recently,

but I had adopted many of the principles they advocated long before they

gave them a popular voice. I have never regretted it. And I'm eternally

gratefully that God in his grace led me into this path. For what its

worth,

Bianca

December 11, 2002

Wonderful story, thanks for sharing!

With rtegards to the final bomb:

>The final bomb was NAPD by Weston Price. He filled in all the gaps >

well, lets hope theres never a final one... but i think you'd enjoy " How We

Heal " by on, North Atlantic Books.

The final bomb is within, not without.

All the best, Chris

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December 11, 2002

Hello, congats on your recovery. Just thought i'd mention that blood cells

are not manufactured in the bone marrow, but in the small intestine, Enjoy,

Chris

>From: " Marla " <talithakumi@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: How NT has changed my life

>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:38:46 -0800

>

>Hi Becky:

>

> > I have shared details of my health improvements in the recent past

> > (see archives), but would really like to hear from other people on

> > this list...even if just your digestion has improved, please share

> > it!

>

>I was on the SAD diet basically all my life until I was 34 years old. Then

>I got diagnosed in October 1999 with very severe aplastic anemia which is

>major bone marrow failure. (Not your garden variety anemia.) My immune

>system was so depressed that I developed an infection and was hospitalized

>in reverse isolation. (A room behind a room with special air filters.

>People had to wash their hands and wear masks before entering my room.) To

>make a long story short, I ended up having close to 200 transfusions of red

>blood cells and platelets. I didn't take any of the conventional

>treatments

>for aplastic anemia, but rather switched to a completely vegan diet which

>was mostly raw. After a year and a half I was able to get off transfusions

>with that diet, but was still very anemic. My white count had improved to

>about half of what a normal person should be but seemed to get stuck there.

>So, I did more research and found Aajonous' raw animal diet and from there

>learned about the NT way. I've been adding animal foods, both raw and

>cooked, with lots of raw butter, raw unheated honey, soaking my grains such

>as brown rice and millet, etc. since December 24, 2001. I quickly started

>to make noticeable improvements. Yesterday I had my CBC (complete blood

>count) done and my white count is completely normal My hemoglobin is

>normal, and I've just completed my 4th phlebotomy to reduce the

>iron-overload I accumulated from all the red cell transfusions. There are

>still a few things that are off like my platelet levels and MCV, but

>they're

>moving in the right direction. Now I'm experimenting with goat milk,

>kombucha, milk thistle, and a couple of other things. Hopefully, I'll be

>back to normal soon. But, I feel really good now. My mind is clearer, and

>I hope to be in better shape than before I got sick. My doctor is amazed

>at

>my progress and had at one point been discussing bone marrow transplants

>with me. No more! Thank God for people like Sally who is digging up old

>truths that have almost been buried. Thanks to all the conscientious

>farmers who care to provide people like us with quality foods. Thanks also

>to all the people who have been sharing their knowledge and experiences.

>I've seen a lot of suffering out there, but am so glad that there are

>groups

>like this share to share resources. I feel like I've told my story

>millions

>of times, but it's in hopes that others can see that natural healing really

>works.

>

>Marla

>

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December 11, 2002

Hello, congats on your recovery. Just thought i'd mention that blood cells

are not manufactured in the bone marrow, but in the small intestine, Enjoy,

Chris

(read " How We Heal " by on for more info, and/or join our group

at howweheal )