Re: EAA's & insulin response (was Goose Fat)

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Jordan,

I meant primarily in comparison to other proteins, but beef actually has a

higher glycemic index than theater popcorn, as was mentiend in an article

someone posted. (of course hte popcorn is usually loaded with refined

coconut oil, and is high in fiber b/c it is whole corn).

All proteins have some insulin response, but this is balanced by a glucagon

response, which stimulates conversin of fat to glucose, therefore balancing

the insulin. There is a direct correlation to the EAAs, at least this is

what Barry Sears says in The Soy Zone, which is why he, unfortunately,

advocates soy consumption for protein (completely ingnoring the factor of

micronutrients and micro-anti-nutrients).

I doubt there is very much of a risk of deficiency of essential amino acids

if one is not a vegetarian. All meats are relatively high in EAAs, and I

don't see a point in trying to get extremely high amounts of them. All of

the " essential " things are usually needed in small amounts, which is why the

body hasn't learned to make them itself. Like the polyunsaturated fatty

acids make up the " essential fatty acids " though we need those in the tiniest

amount of all fatty acids, that being because saturated and monounsaturated

are so completely necessary in large amounts that it is more important for

our bodies to be able to make them itself, in case of dietary shortage.

Chris

In a message dated 12/8/02 9:05:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mikajomc@... writes:

> Hi Chris

> I have never heard of proteins having much of an

> insulin response at all. I have a strong family

> history of diabetes and am very interested in insulin.

> Can you tell me where you heard/read this?

> And when you say beef has such a high insulin

> response, I'm assuming you mean compared to other

> proteins.

>

> Also, after having read Dr. Ross' " The Diet Cure "

> (reccomended on the WAPF site), I definitely don't

> want to be deficient in ANY amino acids! But you

> suggest we consume just enough to prevent amino acid

> deficiency. How would one know how much (or how

> little) to consume?

> I appologize if this is way off topic, I've just never

> heard of beef having a high insulin response.

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Chris-

>but beef actually has a

>higher glycemic index than theater popcorn,

That's simply not true.

From http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm

>The conventional wisdom holds that between 50 to 60% of protein becomes

>glucose and enters the bloodstream about 3 to 4 hours after it's eaten.

>It's generally accepted that fat has little affect on blood glucose.

>

>In fact, recent studies indicate that neither protein nor fat have more

>than a minuscule affect on blood glucose. This seems to be true for people

>both with and without diabetes. The protein studies are particularly

>interesting.

>

>A 50-gram dose of protein (in the form of very lean beef) resulted in only

>about 2 grams of glucose being produced and released into circulation.

>Neither does adding protein to carbohydrate slow the absorption or peak of

>the glucose response.

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In a message dated 12/9/02 12:51:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

>

> That's simply not true.

>

> From http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm

I don't know what they meant by " glycemic index " I had assumed they were

measuring it by insuling response, and not breakdown into sugar, the latter

seeming implicit in " glycemic. " So I'm not sure whether the protein section

in the article you posted refutes that or not. It may well be false-- I had

just took it at face value because noone on the list had contradicted it when

it appeared.

Chris

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" What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and

animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of

them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature.

Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

truth, and for those who do them wrong. "

--Saint Isaac the Syrian