Re: origin of red blood cells

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris:

Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents in light of what Gloria just posted.

Although I'm not thoroughly impressed with the conventional medical

profession and realize that many of their studies and widely accepted facts

are flawed, I do think some of their knowledge is correct.

Mendelsohn, M.D. wrote in his book Confessions of a Medical Heretic that

" The FDA spot-checked the work of some of the doctors doing clinical trials

and found 20% guilty of a wide range of unethical practices, including

giving incorrect dosages and falsifying records. In a third of the reports

checked by the FDA the trial had not been carried out at all. In another

third, the experiemental protocol was not followed. (JAMA Nov. 1975.) "

I've also read Gold's book The Conspiracy of Cells where he exposes

the sloppy and unethical work of " leading " virologists and their seeming

inability to competently identify specific cells correctly. So, yes, I do

keep my eye out for other theories that are not popular and think that there

are probably some pretty good ones out there that the mainstream medical

community does not highly regard. Henry Bieler had an interesting theory

regarding lymphatic cells and the digestive tract that makes a lot of sense

to me, and I don't think his theory is that popular. So, when you posted

about the blood cells and the small intestine, I naturally wanted to hear

more. When I asked you for more information on it, you just wrote something

to the effect that there was some work done by someone, and you didn't quite

understand the concept, etc. So, I can see Gloria's annoyance that you're

posting something as fact, but you don't understand it yourself. So how do

you know it's a fact or that it even makes sense? I don't expect you to do

all the research or leg work for me, but more concrete info would be

helpful.

I read Lax's book Life and Death on 10 West wherein he explained that

in 1950 and 1951 it was discovered that the spleen contains stem cells.

Experiments were done on mice. They irradiated mice but protected their

spleens with a lead box and found that the mice were able to live. (I'm

assuming that without the lead boxes the mice didn't survive the

irradiation.) So, I do believe that stem cells probably exist in other

parts of the body. According to Lax, the first successful bone marrow

transplant was done in the 1960's. So the current understanding of the bone

marrow and stems cells is relatively new. They are still continually

learning more and more and still do not know a lot about it. BUT, the bone

marrow does seem to play a major role in blood production, otherwise, why

would bone marrow aspirations indicate a relationship to the quality of

blood in the rest of the body? If a person has a blast count in their

peripheral blood stream, it has been shown that a higher amount is in the

bone marrow, likely because they are being formed in the bone marrow. Low

cellularity in the bone marrow corresponds to inadequate blood production as

seen in the peripheral blood stream. This has been verified. (When I was

first diagnosed and need lots of blood transfusions, my bone marrow

aspiration showed only 5% bone marrow cellularity and the rest was fat.)

Also I do understand about non-differentiated stems cells that can develop

into various specialized cells such as heart, nerve, blood, etc. That

concept is widely accepted, but can confuse the issue even more. And yes, I

have read about how a lot of blood is involved in the digestive tract. But,

the food goes in to the body through the digestive tract which in turn

nourishes the blood. So, yeah there will be a lot of blood activity there.

Well, anyway, I did a quick search of Dr K Morishita and his book at my

local library and came up with nothing. on's How We Heal Book also is

not at my local library. I guess I'll have to spring the $32.00 for

on's book if I really can't find anymore info on this concept of the

small intestine being the primary source of blood formation. Are you sure

that info is in on's book?

Marla

----- Original Message -----

From: globird <globird@...>

> Hi

> I'm sure you mean well, but you are either recalling incorrectly or the

> person you are referencing was also incorrect.

>

> What we are discussing is basic biology taught in elementary and junior

high

> school.

> All you have to do is pick up any biology, medical or basic anatomy and

> physiology book and you will find that stem cells originate in the bone

> marrow and they differentiate into red, white and other cells. If you

don't

> have access to such a basic book, then please search the internet.

>

> There are numerous sites that state the same thing. The one I posted to

the

> list was a website provided by the educational community for school

> children, so was the easiest for anyone to understand. Another great

> resource for basic biology is Merk's manual online.

> http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/contents.htm

> Specifically what you will be looking for in this case is the page listed

is

> biology of blood listed under blood disorders.

> http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec14/152.htm Scroll halfway down

> the page.

>

> While you are at it, you might take a look at the function of the

> intestines. Their main function is digestion and absorption of nutrients,

> not production of red blood cells.

> http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec9/99.htm Again, this is basic

> biology.

>

> The only reason I posted on this matter at all is a reflection of my utter

> astonishment when you outrageously 'corrected' someone's accurate

> information with poorly remembered erroneous information of your own. No

> wonder there is so much misinformation spread all over the internet.

People

> like you with good intentions but poor recall (or too lazy to look it up)

> post inaccurate information. Other people, who read what they posted,

> believe them and pass it on. (again without checking for accuracy.)

>

> Wouldn't you rather be known as someone who posts reliable and accurate

> information rather than someone whose information can't be trusted? It

isn't

> that hard to look things up. However, if you don't want to make such a

minor

> effort, the least you can do is say 'I think', or 'I imagine', to

indicate

> that you don't have any facts to back you up so your post is speculative

at

> best.

>

> thanks, gloria

>

> From: " Bellanger " <chrisb05@...>

> Subject: Re: red blood cells, stem cells, etc

>

> Hi all, sorry for my delay in responding, but was trying to finf the

> research, as it has been awhile since i'd read it.

>

> The researchers name is Dr K Morishita, and one of his books is called

> " Hidden Truth of Cancer " . I don't recall if that is where he talks about

his

> research with red blood cells, or if it is elsewhere, but anyone

interested

> can start there.

>

> As i recall, not only does he claim the primary area of production for red

> blood cells is the small intestine (which to me is simply logical anyway),

> but he also claims that if the body is healthy, the red blood cells are

able

> to morph into anyother bodypart when, and also into other blood types (ie

> white cells, etc).

>

[Guest guest]

Hello to all that replied. Well, can't say i was expecting a warm reception,

and i'm not here to convince anybody of anything. I know what i know, and

thats far from complete. However i have observed the body to be far more

caplable of healing than what conventional medicine would care to admit, or

even be able to explain. Dramatic regeneration of bodily tissues,

accompanied by equally dramaticx changes in iris colour and structure have

been among my observations.

As for the point of genisis of the red blood cells, well, i guess the truth

will all come out in the wash. I have neither the time nor the interest in

researching this topic further, simply because i don't need to. the body

heals irrespective of belief, given the right conditions, so thats enough

for me. There is more i could say, but....

As to the source of this information, well, i got the handout at a seminar i

attended with the late Prf DR Sir Whitman Ray (the founder of Body

Electronics), so i guess one would have to dig up these tapes to hear what i

heard origianally (i'd be happy to put you in touch with the distributors),

otherwise you'll have to search the web. I spoke to Doug, and he says he did

not write about this topic (sorry, i thought he did) due to the general lack

of research, sorry.

All the best, Chris

>From: " Marla " <talithakumi@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: origin of red blood cells

>Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:31:18 -0800

>

>Hi Chris:

>

>Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents in light of what Gloria just posted.

>Although I'm not thoroughly impressed with the conventional medical

>profession and realize that many of their studies and widely accepted facts

>are flawed, I do think some of their knowledge is correct.

>Mendelsohn, M.D. wrote in his book Confessions of a Medical Heretic that

> " The FDA spot-checked the work of some of the doctors doing clinical trials

>and found 20% guilty of a wide range of unethical practices, including

>giving incorrect dosages and falsifying records. In a third of the reports

>checked by the FDA the trial had not been carried out at all. In another

>third, the experiemental protocol was not followed. (JAMA Nov. 1975.) "

>I've also read Gold's book The Conspiracy of Cells where he exposes

>the sloppy and unethical work of " leading " virologists and their seeming

>inability to competently identify specific cells correctly. So, yes, I do

>keep my eye out for other theories that are not popular and think that

>there

>are probably some pretty good ones out there that the mainstream medical

>community does not highly regard. Henry Bieler had an interesting theory

>regarding lymphatic cells and the digestive tract that makes a lot of sense

>to me, and I don't think his theory is that popular. So, when you posted

>about the blood cells and the small intestine, I naturally wanted to hear

>more. When I asked you for more information on it, you just wrote

>something

>to the effect that there was some work done by someone, and you didn't

>quite

>understand the concept, etc. So, I can see Gloria's annoyance that you're

>posting something as fact, but you don't understand it yourself. So how do

>you know it's a fact or that it even makes sense? I don't expect you to do

>all the research or leg work for me, but more concrete info would be

>helpful.

>

>I read Lax's book Life and Death on 10 West wherein he explained that

>in 1950 and 1951 it was discovered that the spleen contains stem cells.

>Experiments were done on mice. They irradiated mice but protected their

>spleens with a lead box and found that the mice were able to live. (I'm

>assuming that without the lead boxes the mice didn't survive the

>irradiation.) So, I do believe that stem cells probably exist in other

>parts of the body. According to Lax, the first successful bone marrow

>transplant was done in the 1960's. So the current understanding of the

>bone

>marrow and stems cells is relatively new. They are still continually

>learning more and more and still do not know a lot about it. BUT, the bone

>marrow does seem to play a major role in blood production, otherwise, why

>would bone marrow aspirations indicate a relationship to the quality of

>blood in the rest of the body? If a person has a blast count in their

>peripheral blood stream, it has been shown that a higher amount is in the

>bone marrow, likely because they are being formed in the bone marrow. Low

>cellularity in the bone marrow corresponds to inadequate blood production

>as

>seen in the peripheral blood stream. This has been verified. (When I was

>first diagnosed and need lots of blood transfusions, my bone marrow

>aspiration showed only 5% bone marrow cellularity and the rest was fat.)

>Also I do understand about non-differentiated stems cells that can develop

>into various specialized cells such as heart, nerve, blood, etc. That

>concept is widely accepted, but can confuse the issue even more. And yes,

>I

>have read about how a lot of blood is involved in the digestive tract.

>But,

>the food goes in to the body through the digestive tract which in turn

>nourishes the blood. So, yeah there will be a lot of blood activity there.

>Well, anyway, I did a quick search of Dr K Morishita and his book at my

>local library and came up with nothing. on's How We Heal Book also

>is

>not at my local library. I guess I'll have to spring the $32.00 for

>on's book if I really can't find anymore info on this concept of the

>small intestine being the primary source of blood formation. Are you sure

>that info is in on's book?

>

>Marla

>

>

>----- Original Message -----

>From: globird <globird@...>

>

> > Hi

> > I'm sure you mean well, but you are either recalling incorrectly or the

> > person you are referencing was also incorrect.

> >

> > What we are discussing is basic biology taught in elementary and junior

>high

> > school.

> > All you have to do is pick up any biology, medical or basic anatomy and

> > physiology book and you will find that stem cells originate in the bone

> > marrow and they differentiate into red, white and other cells. If you

>don't

> > have access to such a basic book, then please search the internet.

> >

> > There are numerous sites that state the same thing. The one I posted to

>the

> > list was a website provided by the educational community for school

> > children, so was the easiest for anyone to understand. Another great

> > resource for basic biology is Merk's manual online.

> > http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/contents.htm

> > Specifically what you will be looking for in this case is the page

>listed

>is

> > biology of blood listed under blood disorders.

> > http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec14/152.htm Scroll halfway

>down

> > the page.

> >

> > While you are at it, you might take a look at the function of the

> > intestines. Their main function is digestion and absorption of

>nutrients,

> > not production of red blood cells.

> > http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec9/99.htm Again, this is basic

> > biology.

> >

> > The only reason I posted on this matter at all is a reflection of my

>utter

> > astonishment when you outrageously 'corrected' someone's accurate

> > information with poorly remembered erroneous information of your own. No

> > wonder there is so much misinformation spread all over the internet.

>People

> > like you with good intentions but poor recall (or too lazy to look it

>up)

> > post inaccurate information. Other people, who read what they posted,

> > believe them and pass it on. (again without checking for accuracy.)

> >

> > Wouldn't you rather be known as someone who posts reliable and accurate

> > information rather than someone whose information can't be trusted? It

>isn't

> > that hard to look things up. However, if you don't want to make such a

>minor

> > effort, the least you can do is say 'I think', or 'I imagine', to

>indicate

> > that you don't have any facts to back you up so your post is speculative

>at

> > best.

> >

> > thanks, gloria

> >

> > From: " Bellanger " <chrisb05@...>

> > Subject: Re: red blood cells, stem cells, etc

> >

> > Hi all, sorry for my delay in responding, but was trying to finf the

> > research, as it has been awhile since i'd read it.

> >

> > The researchers name is Dr K Morishita, and one of his books is called

> > " Hidden Truth of Cancer " . I don't recall if that is where he talks about

>his

> > research with red blood cells, or if it is elsewhere, but anyone

>interested

> > can start there.

> >

> > As i recall, not only does he claim the primary area of production for

>red

> > blood cells is the small intestine (which to me is simply logical

>anyway),

> > but he also claims that if the body is healthy, the red blood cells are

>able

> > to morph into anyother bodypart when, and also into other blood types

>(ie

> > white cells, etc).

> >

>

>

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