Re: *sigh* it's all over-- HSA/smallpox

[Guest guest]

> . For

> example, if you catch small pox, you have to prove that you

caught it from

> someone who had the vaccine administered *correctly* by the

*correct person. "

I'm not in any way defending the smallpox vaccine or the

involuntary administration of it, but I want to make a correction to

the above statement. If I'm remembering correctly, you cannot

actually get smallpox from the vaccine, because the vaccine

doesn't contain any smallpox virus at all, it is made with the

vaccinia virus (in a weakened form) which is cowpox, not

smallpox. Same as Jenner's original experiment of

intentionally infecting people with cowpox to protect them from

smallpox. The two viruses are similar enough that theoretically

once the body has dealt with cowpox it has all defenses in place

to neutralize smallpox should it be encountered. (This does, of

course, require that one believe the viral causation theory of

disease and that vaccines actually " work " the way they say they

do. I don't happen to accept those theories - and they are

*theories* - in the very simplistic manner in which they are

presented by science, but point these things out for the sake of

argument, since we're talking within that paradigm.)

You can certainly get sick or die from the smallpox vaccine, but

not because the smallpox virus was introduced into your body

and caused you to develop smallpox.

> So the risk of spreading small pox THROUGH the vaccination

is obviously great

> enough that the government is explicitly limiting its own liability

for when

> it happens.

Another correction (please take this in the spirit in which it's

intended, I'm not trying to shoot you down), I have read of

epidemiological studies showing that smallpox was actually

more common in vaccinated individuals than in non-vaccinated,

but since the vaccine doesn't actually contain the smallpox virus,

that would have to be because of other factors aside from the

people actually getting the disease from the vaccine. I don't

believe vaccines immunize, I believe they sensitize, which could

make people susceptible to the disease when they encounter it

" wild " who would otherwise have been able to fend it off. In

addition, I think vaccines damage the immune system,

contributing to further susceptibility of vaccinated individuals in

the event of an outbreak of disease.

As for the measles example in another post, the measles

vaccine does actually contain attenuated measles virus, so that's

a somewhat different kettle of fish from smallpox, and I have

read about documented cases of people developing a clinical

case of measles after the vaccine (which medicos usually

dismiss by saying the person must have been exposed to the

virus prior to vaccination). On top of that, Dr. Wakefield's

research (and others) involving autistic children has shown

definitively that the vaccine strain of measles virus can be

present in the gut (documented to be the vaccine strain by DNA

analysis).

I'll try to contain myself on further posts on this subject, since

we're veering further and further off-topic.

Aubin