Re: Goose fat

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Chris-

>The higher the EAA content of a protein source, the more

>insulin is produced in response to it, which is why beef has such a high

>insulin response.

Another point: beef doesn't have a " high " insulin response. There is an

insulin response, but nothing like you get from refined

carbohydrates. Also, insulin has different effects in the presence and

absence of an abundance of carbs. After a carby meal, the body responds to

insulin by storing away lots of the carbs as fat. After a low-carb meal

rich in protein and fat, the body will respond to insulin by using some of

that protein and fat as building and repair materials in the body.

>It seems to me it would be best to consume just over what

>would prevent overt amino acid deficiency,

I think this is an extremely bad idea based on Weston A. Price's

observations of nutrient consumption in healthy cultures. He found that

people eating truly healthy diets consumed many times the minerals and

fat-soluble vitamins that Americans of his day did, yet the average

American certainly didn't have overt deficiency symptoms like

rickets. Obvious deficiency disease (like rickets) occurs at a consumption

level far, far below optimum, and I can't see any possible reason the same

wouldn't be true of protein and essential amino acids. We should be eating

the best possible pastured meat from the best possible pasture land, and

plenty of it. (And we should be eating that meat with plenty of meat fat.)

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In a message dated 12/9/02 12:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Another point: beef doesn't have a " high " insulin response. There is an

> insulin response, but nothing like you get from refined

> carbohydrates. Also, insulin has different effects in the presence and

> absence of an abundance of carbs. After a carby meal, the body responds

to

> insulin by storing away lots of the carbs as fat. After a low-carb meal

> rich in protein and fat, the body will respond to insulin by using some of

> that protein and fat as building and repair materials in the body.

But being fattening isn't the only bad thing about excess insulin. Insulin

may be involved in the regulation of life-span, considering it is in " lower "

life forms like worms-- their life-span is directly inversely correlated with

insulin levels.

> >It seems to me it would be best to consume just over what

> >would prevent overt amino acid deficiency,

>

> I think this is an extremely bad idea based on Weston A. Price's

> observations of nutrient consumption in healthy cultures. He found that

> people eating truly healthy diets consumed many times the minerals and

> fat-soluble vitamins that Americans of his day did, yet the average

> American certainly didn't have overt deficiency symptoms like

> rickets. Obvious deficiency disease (like rickets) occurs at a

consumption

> level far, far below optimum, and I can't see any possible reason the same

> wouldn't be true of protein and essential amino acids. We should be

eating

> the best possible pastured meat from the best possible pasture land, and

> plenty of it. (And we should be eating that meat with plenty of meat fat.)

I don't think there is anything wrong with consuming beef, and like I said,

beef has other micro-nutrients that make it well worth while, I think-- but I

don't see the value of trying to maximize EAAs any more than EFAs. Most of

the cultures Price studied ate largely seafood, which, I think, is

considerably lower in EAAs than beef, though, like all animal protein, still

considerably higher than vegetable protein.

I may well be wrong, but I think our needs for the EAAs are pretty low, like

our needs for PUFAs. Also, we have the opportunity of eating much more meat

than some of the cultures Price studied. I know I don't eat bread and cheese

for lunch. If we eat two or five times as much meat as some of these

cultures, even if it is not as high in EAAS, we would probably be far

surpassing, say the levels of EAAs among the Swiss, e.g. Price didn't notice

a correlation, in the NAPD at least, with kinds of meat. Doesn't mean it

wans't there--- but I'd want to see some kind of analysis to show it if

there's a connection.

Chris

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