Guest guest Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 i would love to see stuff like this posted on people's facebook pages - i'm supposed to be doing that on my page but haven't been  . . . . love, keely >Bayard, I was reading Skill 10: Unravel the Pathological Matrix ><http://www.immunics.org/00open/prepare/preunr.htm>http://www.immunics.org/00op\ en/prepare/preunr.htm, > >and I really liked what you said....... can I post this on my facebook page? > > " Just as the eyes don't see themselves, we don't see our disease. > >Not until we've cleared up at least some of it. Any aspect of non-physical >disease that remains in what I call " 100% state " is absolutely invisible >to it's host. This is how what we know to be self-destructive behaviors in >those we love can seem completely normal to them. >People wonder why they come down with a physical illness just as some >wonderful break in their life is happening. >It's three days before their testimonial dinner, or they're getting >married, and suddenly they became physically ill and can't understand why. >They know there's a connection, they know that it's not just a coincidence >that they contracted a physical illness right before something wonderful >was scheduled. This is what disease looks like. >The disease was there before the physical illness took shape. >We never really hate a person. We hate their disease. >Disease destroys caring when the disease is non-physical, when neither >partner have any way of viewing the sickness as a disease. When the >disease becomes the person, when it is a non-physical infection, when the >disease becomes indistinguishable from the person, when it invades every >aspect of their personality, when it makes them be combative, stingy, >vapid, or any of a thousand other hurtful ways, the loathing we feel for >the disease - well, for us it is a loathing of the person. >It's easy, or at least easier, for us to keep liking and loving loved ones >when they become physically ill. Even when the physical illness enervates >them so that they verbally or even physically assault us. Even when, as a >result of their physical pain, they manipulate us emotionally. >But when the disease is non-physical, our love is undermined and our >alliance with them becomes vulnerable. Wonderful friendships and love >affairs end because somebody had a flare-up of an illness that was dormant >at the beginning. Or where the partners keep reinfecting each other. >Disease destroys caring. >Really it is our powerlessness in the face of the others diseased and >destructive behaviors that we loathe, that destroys our caring. >That is until we see through it. Until we see only a sick and suffering >person. To see another's disease that clearly, I must have at least have >begun to remove my own disease. >When I love someone who is locked in disease, and I recognize and remove >my own disease, understanding and forgiveness for him flowers in my heart. >Suddenly I do truly love the person. And I see his disease for what it is. >I also don't find the disease as horrible. I'm not even as repulsed by it. >I have my power back. >Now I feel like I can do something. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Can you please send me the details of Mondays prayer meeting eg Who do I send a skype request too and what time it starts? Lyn has been soooooo helpful and explained how to get Skype set-up! She is the skype guru!!! Love  >Bayard, I was reading Skill 10: Unravel the Pathological Matrix ><http://www.immunics.org/00open/prepare/preunr.htm>http://www.immunics.org/00op\ en/prepare/preunr.htm, > >and I really liked what you said....... can I post this on my facebook page? > > " Just as the eyes don't see themselves, we don't see our disease. > >Not until we've cleared up at least some of it. Any aspect of non-physical >disease that remains in what I call " 100% state " is absolutely invisible >to it's host. This is how what we know to be self-destructive behaviors in >those we love can seem completely normal to them. >People wonder why they come down with a physical illness just as some >wonderful break in their life is happening. >It's three days before their testimonial dinner, or they're getting >married, and suddenly they became physically ill and can't understand why. >They know there's a connection, they know that it's not just a coincidence >that they contracted a physical illness right before something wonderful >was scheduled. This is what disease looks like. >The disease was there before the physical illness took shape. >We never really hate a person. We hate their disease. >Disease destroys caring when the disease is non-physical, when neither >partner have any way of viewing the sickness as a disease. When the >disease becomes the person, when it is a non-physical infection, when the >disease becomes indistinguishable from the person, when it invades every >aspect of their personality, when it makes them be combative, stingy, >vapid, or any of a thousand other hurtful ways, the loathing we feel for >the disease - well, for us it is a loathing of the person. >It's easy, or at least easier, for us to keep liking and loving loved ones >when they become physically ill. Even when the physical illness enervates >them so that they verbally or even physically assault us. Even when, as a >result of their physical pain, they manipulate us emotionally. >But when the disease is non-physical, our love is undermined and our >alliance with them becomes vulnerable. Wonderful friendships and love >affairs end because somebody had a flare-up of an illness that was dormant >at the beginning. Or where the partners keep reinfecting each other. >Disease destroys caring. >Really it is our powerlessness in the face of the others diseased and >destructive behaviors that we loathe, that destroys our caring. >That is until we see through it. Until we see only a sick and suffering >person. To see another's disease that clearly, I must have at least have >begun to remove my own disease. >When I love someone who is locked in disease, and I recognize and remove >my own disease, understanding and forgiveness for him flowers in my heart. >Suddenly I do truly love the person. And I see his disease for what it is. >I also don't find the disease as horrible. I'm not even as repulsed by it. >I have my power back. >Now I feel like I can do something. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Al - Can you send the instrux for hooking up Monday nigh? >Bayard, I was reading Skill 10: Unravel the Pathological Matrix ><http://www.immunics.org/00open/prepare/preunr.htm>http://www.immunics.org/00op\ en/prepare/preunr.htm, > >and I really liked what you said....... can I post this on my facebook page? > > " Just as the eyes don't see themselves, we don't see our disease. > >Not until we've cleared up at least some of it. Any aspect of non-physical >disease that remains in what I call " 100% state " is absolutely invisible >to it's host. This is how what we know to be self-destructive behaviors in >those we love can seem completely normal to them. >People wonder why they come down with a physical illness just as some >wonderful break in their life is happening. >It's three days before their testimonial dinner, or they're getting >married, and suddenly they became physically ill and can't understand why. >They know there's a connection, they know that it's not just a coincidence >that they contracted a physical illness right before something wonderful >was scheduled. This is what disease looks like. >The disease was there before the physical illness took shape. >We never really hate a person. We hate their disease. >Disease destroys caring when the disease is non-physical, when neither >partner have any way of viewing the sickness as a disease. When the >disease becomes the person, when it is a non-physical infection, when the >disease becomes indistinguishable from the person, when it invades every >aspect of their personality, when it makes them be combative, stingy, >vapid, or any of a thousand other hurtful ways, the loathing we feel for >the disease - well, for us it is a loathing of the person. >It's easy, or at least easier, for us to keep liking and loving loved ones >when they become physically ill. Even when the physical illness enervates >them so that they verbally or even physically assault us. Even when, as a >result of their physical pain, they manipulate us emotionally. >But when the disease is non-physical, our love is undermined and our >alliance with them becomes vulnerable. Wonderful friendships and love >affairs end because somebody had a flare-up of an illness that was dormant >at the beginning. Or where the partners keep reinfecting each other. >Disease destroys caring. >Really it is our powerlessness in the face of the others diseased and >destructive behaviors that we loathe, that destroys our caring. >That is until we see through it. Until we see only a sick and suffering >person. To see another's disease that clearly, I must have at least have >begun to remove my own disease. >When I love someone who is locked in disease, and I recognize and remove >my own disease, understanding and forgiveness for him flowers in my heart. >Suddenly I do truly love the person. And I see his disease for what it is. >I also don't find the disease as horrible. I'm not even as repulsed by it. >I have my power back. >Now I feel like I can do something. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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