verification

June 30, 2008

I just sent this to the following company:

My dear friends and business associates at later me letter,

I'm in the process of getting set up with your wonderful service, and I've

run into a problem, which I want your help with. It's important that you

help me, because I'm going to be using letter me later to e-mail the

CureDrive. Go to the homepage and Lesson one will play. Do it, and you'll

never be sick another day in your life -- I haven't had the flu since 1993:

http://www.wayimmune.org/index.html

And what about the idea of working in a company where no one ever gets

sick? Your key person, who you're depending on to complete the project

that 18 if you are working on, doesn't come down with the flu, because

she's immune. You can do this. It's right there, and it's free. The nice

thing about this is that it's self-taught, and if your staff does it in a

group some of you may choose to push it away, but I am confident that every

last one of you, no matter what your choices are, are at least capable of

doing it, and never spending a day at home with the flu again. Think of

the money you'll save on medical insurance alone! Or, to put it another

way, think of the money your group medical insurer will make, with a group

of people who pay the insurance for 30 years and never use it! Because I

doubt if they'll give you a discount, just because you never get sick --

unless you really lean on them about it.

So here is the problem: verification.

You do have a wonderful service, as I can see from getting started, but

I've not been able to receive your verification e-mail. I've done this

about 10 times and no verification e-mail has come to me. As you can see

from this e-mail, that is my correct e-mail address, because it's the

return address for this e-mail.

I am willing to help in any way I can, and remain yours faithfully,

Bayard , a.k.a. " Mr. Reminder "

April 23, 2009

Yep we should begin teaching how to prevent heart disease and high blood

pressure in kindergarden. Otherwise we will go broke treating the complications

of high blood pressure and heart disease.

If I were in charge we would mandate that everyone learns to take a BP because

the chances of getting HTN are about 90% if you don't die from it first.

I would also teach the biology/chemistry of salt (Na, K), fats, exercise,

epidemiology (math), DASH cooking, genetics of high blood pressure. Basically

would use the Hypertension Primer from AHA as the outline for the curriculum.

Computer simulation of the circulation. Why you don't faint when you stand up.

Why a giraffe does not blow his brains out when he stoops down to take a drink.

Mandated Readings would include: From Fish to Philosopher by Homer , The

Biology of Human Starvation by Keyes A et al, The Hunger for Salt by D.Denton,

Survival in the Desert by ??, 900 Days, The Siege of Lenigrad by ??, Fat like

Us by Aus???, the INTERSALT study.

Review Dr. Kempner's and earlier publications on how just changing the diet

quickly reverses severe HTN, renal failure, diabetes, congestive heart failure

in many.

They would review the Framingham Study and the Bogulosa Heart Study which shows

early hardening of the arteries in teens is predicted by the BP, weight and

lipids on entering 1st grade, classic VA studies of the benefits of treating

high blood pressure and the NIH studies: HDFP, SHEP, DASH.

There is so much exciting and fun stuff about these issues that I think we could

hold the student's attention.

How the heart works, how the sweat glands work, how do your survive in the

heat, the physiology of slavery and survival, how do your kidneys work, the

brain's role in blood pressure control.

They would measure BP at each family reunion and keep a family health Hx.

But need someone very organized and a curriculum designer to put all this

together.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

On Thursday, April 23, 2009, at 07:24AM, " arthur springer " <as99@...>

wrote:

>I am amazed at all the people who turn up here who do not know how to

>look up a simple piece of information on the internet, in the telephone

>book, or at the library. Amazed. I do not see how we are going to teach

>more than 100 million people how to understand and manage chronic

>health problems in any universal health care system without breaking

>the bank. There is a kind of childlike dependency on MDs that is

>destroying the health of millions of Americans now and driving our

>doctors crazy. This will continue at horrifying human and financial

>costs for decades to come unless we begin to force people to learn how

>to take care of themselves most of the time.

>========================================================================

>======================

>

>On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:40 AM, lmcust wrote:

>

>>

>> I have not been on this site for a long time because nothing has

>> changed much in my circumstances. I don't see my specialist now until

>> the end of May (changed from April appt) so I do not have my renin ,

>> alderstone and volume numbers yet but I will get them.

>>

>> I do not mean to offend anyone but is there a way to verify that Dr.

>> CE Grim on this site is really who he says he is. I am positive by his

>> responses that he is but I know my doctor will be asking me this and I

>> can't prove it. I've done searches etc to verify that there is a Dr.

>> CE Grim and he has done the things claimed by this site but how do we

>> know that they person that claims to be Dr. CE Grim on this site is

>> the real one. How would my doctor get ahold of Dr. Grim, besides this

>> site, if she decided to and know that she was really speaking to or

>> writing to him? I know she will be concerned about this and I am

>> wondering how other patients have handled these questions from their

>> GP or specialist. If my Dr. was to email lowerbp2@..., how would

>> verify that she is really emailing the real Dr. Grim?

>>

>> A quick update on my health: I am on spiro and I am feeling the best

>> that I have been for 4-5 yrs. BUT, I had a really severe kidney

>> infection in March that set me back for a while. My BP went way down

>> and my potasium was low and I was in a fever with chills and in bed

>> for quite a while and am just now starting to feel back to my normal.

>> I still feel weak in the muscles, although spiro has given me much

>> more energy it is energy with a tiredness that never seems to go away,

>> if that makes any sense. I still have the episodes but they are

>> usually much more minor than they used to be. In May, once I have my

>> counts of renin etc, I will get back to you.

>>

>> Thanks so much and sorry for verification thing but I can understand

>> another DR. wanting to know this info.

>>

>> How is the other site for Health Professionals coming along. I cannot

>> remember how to access it.

>>

>

April 23, 2009

I would imagine your Dr. would have better access to resources

to verify Dr. Grim’s identity than you would, but I can tell you that I

have been seen by Dr. Grim personally and indeed it was the same Dr. that is on

this site.

With regard to our childlike dependency “driving our

doctors crazy,” I must say that I have had some doctors compliment me on

how well I had educated myself on my health but have also had very arrogant Dr.’s

verbally spank me for daring to seek answers on the internet rather than trusting

them. In one case, I simply asked a Dr. a question about something I read

on the manufacturer’s site of a medication he had me taking. In

another case, I tried to give a Dr. the Evolution of PA article written by Dr.

Grim after he told me I shouldn’t be on Spiro because it does nothing for

high blood pressure.

While I agree that our own health should be at the forefront of

our own understanding, many people simply have not been educated on proper

research methods and may not know how to recognize a reliable source on the

internet. This is a skill that must be learned and is not innate in most

people. The closest comparison I can come up with is when I built my

house. The financial investment required can’t be directly compared

to the “cost” of understanding your own health, but for purposes of

comparison, it is the largest investment I have ever made. However, there

is no way in the 8 months it took to build my house that I could personally

become an expert in architecture, construction, carpentry, ventilation, etc to

ensure that no errors were made in building my house. My expectation is

that each subcontractor that I paid was an expert in their field. If you

look at each of those subcontractors as a different medical specialist, you can

draw a parallel. There is too much confusing information out there for

the lay person, especially when you throw in well meaning friends and family

members recommending herbals and other alternative medicines. Our entire education

system would have to change to provide the typical American with better

critical thinking skills at a younger age to support such a change.

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of arthur springer

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:25 AM

hyperaldosteronism

Subject: Re: Verification

I am amazed at all the people

who turn up here who do not know how to look up a simple piece of information

on the internet, in the telephone book, or at the library. Amazed. I do not see

how we are going to teach more than 100 million people how to understand and

manage chronic health problems in any universal health care system without

breaking the bank. There is a kind of childlike dependency on MDs that is

destroying the health of millions of Americans now and driving our doctors

crazy. This will continue at horrifying human and financial costs for decades

to come unless we begin to force people to learn how to take care of themselves

most of the time.

==============================================================================================

On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:40 AM, lmcust wrote:

I have not been on this site for a long time because nothing has changed much

in my circumstances. I don't see my specialist now until the end of May

(changed from April appt) so I do not have my renin , alderstone and volume

numbers yet but I will get them.

I do not mean to offend anyone but is there a way to verify that Dr. CE Grim on

this site is really who he says he is. I am positive by his responses that he

is but I know my doctor will be asking me this and I can't prove it. I've done

searches etc to verify that there is a Dr. CE Grim and he has done the things

claimed by this site but how do we know that they person that claims to be Dr.

CE Grim on this site is the real one. How would my doctor get ahold of Dr.

Grim, besides this site, if she decided to and know that she was really

speaking to or writing to him? I know she will be concerned about this and I am

wondering how other patients have handled these questions from their GP or

specialist. If my Dr. was to email lowerbp2@..., how would verify that

she is really emailing the real Dr. Grim?

A quick update on my health: I am on spiro and I am feeling the best that I

have been for 4-5 yrs. BUT, I had a really severe kidney infection in March

that set me back for a while. My BP went way down and my potasium was low and I

was in a fever with chills and in bed for quite a while and am just now

starting to feel back to my normal. I still feel weak in the muscles, although

spiro has given me much more energy it is energy with a tiredness that never seems

to go away, if that makes any sense. I still have the episodes but they are

usually much more minor than they used to be. In May, once I have my counts of

renin etc, I will get back to you.

Thanks so much and sorry for verification thing but I can understand another

DR. wanting to know this info.

How is the other site for Health Professionals coming along. I cannot remember

how to access it.

April 23, 2009

I would say on the internet period, because the

libraries are converted to romance novels, except

medical libraries which are not accessible, and the

telephone book is not all that great.

Now the interent is beng chaffed with millions of

know-nots so it takes a while to find a good source.

On our sites you'll find the generic sources right down

to the nih or nlm or pdf.

I have a very good TV source on DISH TV, but most

pepole don't have dish.

And those videos are being grabbed by youtube. A lotta

people can't access those - not everyone has high speed

access and if so the kids are using it for other

garbage.

So I'm not amazed.

Everything useful for education will be converted to

entertainment.

Except these:

USDA

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

Duke's

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/index.html

IOM

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490 & page=

1319

Kidney

http://www.kidney.org/professionals/KLS/gfr_calculator.

cfm

Springer family life expectancy

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/springer-life-expectancy.

ashx

Maybe you have a few to offer?

Regards

Re: Verification

I am amazed at all the people who turn up here who do

not know how to look up a simple piece of information

on the internet, in the telephone book, or at the

library. Amazed. I do not see how we are going to teach

more than 100 million people how to understand and

manage chronic health problems in any universal health

care system without breaking the bank. There is a kind

of childlike dependency on MDs that is destroying the

health of millions of Americans now and driving our

doctors crazy. This will continue at horrifying human

and financial costs for decades to come unless we begin

to force people to learn how to take care of themselves

most of the time.

April 23, 2009

WE need to be sure everyone is referred to PUBMED as THE resource to look up

medical lit They have a tutorial and it is free.

Prob is getting overwhelmed when you search for say primary aldo you get 8000

references.

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

On Thursday, April 23, 2009, at 10:47AM, " jwwright " <jwwright@...> wrote:

>I would say on the internet period, because the

>libraries are converted to romance novels, except

>medical libraries which are not accessible, and the

>telephone book is not all that great.

>Now the interent is beng chaffed with millions of

>know-nots so it takes a while to find a good source.

>On our sites you'll find the generic sources right down

>to the nih or nlm or pdf.

>

>I have a very good TV source on DISH TV, but most

>pepole don't have dish.

>And those videos are being grabbed by youtube. A lotta

>people can't access those - not everyone has high speed

>access and if so the kids are using it for other

>garbage.

>So I'm not amazed.

>Everything useful for education will be converted to

>entertainment.

>

>Except these:

>USDA

>http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

>

>Duke's

>http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/index.html

>

>IOM

>http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490 & page=

>1319

>

>Kidney

>http://www.kidney.org/professionals/KLS/gfr_calculator.

>cfm

>

>Springer family life expectancy

>http://www.ancestry.com/facts/springer-life-expectancy.

>ashx

>

>Maybe you have a few to offer?

>

>Regards

>

> Re: Verification

>

>I am amazed at all the people who turn up here who do

>not know how to look up a simple piece of information

>on the internet, in the telephone book, or at the

>library. Amazed. I do not see how we are going to teach

>more than 100 million people how to understand and

>manage chronic health problems in any universal health

>care system without breaking the bank. There is a kind

>of childlike dependency on MDs that is destroying the

>health of millions of Americans now and driving our

>doctors crazy. This will continue at horrifying human

>and financial costs for decades to come unless we begin

>to force people to learn how to take care of themselves

>most of the time.

>

April 23, 2009

The other problem I've found is they state the science in pieces - they do

not replace a medical book, eg.

Nor a Dr to explain, even pronounce the med terms.

The TV lectures add a new facet for me adding to my medical books, internet

stuff, an online Dr (you), an FP, a few library books like Ornish, DASH,

Modern Health and Nutrition, and still I don't seem to have enough info.

The way to attack 8000 refs is to break them into pieces like PA and spiro

and you can download the abstracts for 10000 articles. After a while you get

an idea how the system works.

Regards

Re: Verification

> >

> >I am amazed at all the people who turn up here who do

> >not know how to look up a simple piece of information

> >on the internet, in the telephone book, or at the

> >library. Amazed. I do not see how we are going to teach

> >more than 100 million people how to understand and

> >manage chronic health problems in any universal health

> >care system without breaking the bank. There is a kind

> >of childlike dependency on MDs that is destroying the

> >health of millions of Americans now and driving our

> >doctors crazy. This will continue at horrifying human

> >and financial costs for decades to come unless we begin

> >to force people to learn how to take care of themselves

> >most of the time.

> >

>

April 23, 2009

I would imagine that Dr. Grim could quote his PA paper (in the

files) nearly word-for-word, and explain every sentence in it. He talked to one of my doctors and my

doc was clearly impressed. BTW, it

would not be fair to ask Dr. Grim to respond to all our doctors without prior

arrangement.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of lmcust

I have not been on this site for a long time because nothing

has changed much in my circumstances. I don't see my specialist now until the

end of May (changed from April appt) so I do not have my renin , alderstone and

volume numbers yet but I will get them.