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In truth, only the saltiness. If you are truly yearning for chips, try

exploring in the produce sections. Don't know your location, but even

Northern markets with Latin customers are beginning to stock some of the

" tropical " tubers. The best chips I have made are from a tuber called name

(nah-may) sliced super, super thin and fried. Salt and garlic seasoning.

Boniato and malanga are two other possibilities. Yuca makes great fries but

tends to break into pieces easily sliced for chips.

Betsy

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In a message dated 10/19/1999 12:10:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Runtshell@... writes:

<< Also at one health food store I found sweet potato chips. >>

Yes, I found one HFS that carries chips made from root vegetables, eg. taro,

yucca, sweet potato, etc. They were good. The only problem is that the

store is out of my area and the last time I made a special trip they didn't

have any that day.

There is a web page where you can order them, but you have to order a dozen

bags at least which is a little too many for me at one time.

<<My metabolism has really slowed and I hate that. >>

Mine too. I think it has something to do with my age. I can't seem to lose

weight no matter what I do. I think I would have to stop eating to lose.

Also, I have a terrible time with cravings. Sometimes I can't help eating

for no reason at all. I usually only eat HB's and neutrals when I crave, but

they still add up.

Regards,

Sharon

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In a message dated 10/17/1999 10:13:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

jverner@... writes:

<< I don't really have a weight problem - but it sure affects

my pain levels. I think I have been discouraged cause I hurt so bad

seemingly no matter what lately at least. But I hurt even worse when I

don't eat right. Sorry to gripe. I know several of you can relate though.

Winter is here to stay where I am. Hope I'm not like this all winter.

Jeanie >>

Don't worry about griping Jeanie. Those of us with FMS know just what you

are going through. I still have lots of Email to go through, but I

am hurting so much now, that it is time to go to bed and stretch out and

breathe through the pain. So this is the last one for the night for me.

Keep warm and eat well. Hey, it is almost the 1st of November. And that

means in a little over 45 days is 12/21. Then the days start getting longer!

Hang in there. Drink something warm. Sit close to the fire and read a good

book. Take a nap. Have some herb tea with honey when you wake up. Keep

breathing and take good care of yourself. And when I get bad you can remind

me to do these same things that I know but have forgotten.

Pam

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Pam - thank you for your kind messages. I;m doing a little better. Its

snowing snowing snowing and going below zero at night now. Am keeping my

toes warmer and dressing for it. Don;t know why we people up here don't

tend to want to do that. I hope you are feeling ok. I, unfortunately,

don;t have time to sit down and just relax much with homeschooling my 2

girls and everything else going on. Wish I could sleep better. There I go

griping again. Pulling out of a slump. Thanks again for your encouraging

words. Jeanie

>

> In a message dated 10/17/1999 10:13:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

> jverner@... writes:

>

> << I don't really have a weight problem - but it sure affects

> my pain levels. I think I have been discouraged cause I hurt so bad

> seemingly no matter what lately at least. But I hurt even worse when I

> don't eat right. Sorry to gripe. I know several of you can relate

though.

> Winter is here to stay where I am. Hope I'm not like this all winter.

> Jeanie >>

>

>

> Don't worry about griping Jeanie. Those of us with FMS know just what you

> are going through. I still have lots of Email to go through, but

I

> am hurting so much now, that it is time to go to bed and stretch out and

> breathe through the pain. So this is the last one for the night for me.

> Keep warm and eat well. Hey, it is almost the 1st of November. And that

> means in a little over 45 days is 12/21. Then the days start getting

longer!

> Hang in there. Drink something warm. Sit close to the fire and read a

good

> book. Take a nap. Have some herb tea with honey when you wake up. Keep

> breathing and take good care of yourself. And when I get bad you can

remind

> me to do these same things that I know but have forgotten.

>

> Pam

>

> >

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In a message dated 10/30/1999 1:44:33 AM Mountain Standard Time,

jverner@... writes:

<< Pam - thank you for your kind messages. I;m doing a little better. Its

snowing snowing snowing and going below zero at night now. Am keeping my

toes warmer and dressing for it. Don;t know why we people up here don't

tend to want to do that. I hope you are feeling ok. I, unfortunately,

don;t have time to sit down and just relax much with homeschooling my 2

girls and everything else going on. Wish I could sleep better. There I go

griping again. Pulling out of a slump. Thanks again for your encouraging

words. Jeanie >>

Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before you go to

bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I know if I

am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and keep your

head warm too. Take care.

Pam

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Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems have

to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is that bad?

I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold fruit

shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very hot

shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything but

fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an icy cold

Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school. Maybe

it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

>

>

> Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before you go

to

> bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I know if

I

> am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and keep

your

> head warm too. Take care.

>

> Pam

>

> >

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In a message dated 11/01/1999 10:18:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,

jverner@... writes:

<< Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems have

to do with eating cold stuff? >>

I can't help you there. All I know is when I am cold, I hurt more. I drink

cold water and herb tea in the summer, but by now it is getting cooler here

in Idaho, so it is back to room temp beverages or hot teas!

Pam

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Hypothyroid people are already cold. That's part of the problem. Low body

temp and too slow metabolism. Cold foods cool the body down more. So do

foods with a cooling energy as the herbalists would say, such as anything

bitter, watermelon, grapefruit, cucumber. That's a whole other

understanding...the list of foods commonly held to be cooling by the folks

who watch that stuff. But for sure anything cold, out of the refrigerator,

would be cooling to the cody temp.

The other side of it is that the cooling/warming herbal medicine folks also

say that you hsould consume something that is like the environment where you

live. Thus if it is very hot, they have people eating heating spices

(Mexican and Indian food). So maybe it's okay for you. Just sounds nuts to

me.

Aikya

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> From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

>

>

> Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems have

> to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is that

bad?

> I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold fruit

> shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very hot

> shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything but

> fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an icy cold

> Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

Maybe

> it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

>

> >

> >

> > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before you

go

> to

> > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I know

if

> I

> > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and keep

> your

> > head warm too. Take care.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> > >

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Aikya,

You wrote:. " But for sure anything cold, out of the refrigerator,

would be cooling to the cody [sic] temp. "

Since cold liquids and food tend to lower the body temperature and the body

compensates for this by raising its metabolism, it would seem that their

body-temperature lowering effect would be only temporary.

Tom, in Florida

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>

>

> > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> >

> >

> > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems

have

> > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is that

> bad?

> > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold fruit

> > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very hot

> > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything but

> > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an icy

cold

> > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> Maybe

> > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before you

> go

> > to

> > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I know

> if

> > I

> > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and

keep

> > your

> > > head warm too. Take care.

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > > >

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Well, some of us like me are desperately trying to develop more energy so we

can have a life. We might choose not to give the body the extra work.

Also I think that, after 50 (I am 55), this means a lot more. I notice that

younger people consume iced drinks, ice cream, etc. without much problem.

But older folks somehow figure out that the arthritis doesn't bother them as

much, they're not as nervous, they're not up in the night to go potty as

much, if they have something warm and avoid the cold stuff. I noticed it

the other day walking past a construction site at break time. All the young

guys had carbonated sodas. All the older guys had hot steaming cups of

something or other.

Pardon my typos.

Aikya

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> >

> >

> > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems

> have

> > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

that

> > bad?

> > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

fruit

> > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very hot

> > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything

but

> > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an icy

> cold

> > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> > Maybe

> > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before

you

> > go

> > > to

> > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I

know

> > if

> > > I

> > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and

> keep

> > > your

> > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > >

> > > > Pam

> > > >

> > > > >

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Interesting Aikya. Lately I have been hot a lot lately though. The cold

shakes haven't even bothered me in the morning. Wonder what is up with

that - menopause? I'm not even 40 - yet. Always was kind of " warm "

blooded. My sister use to cuddle up to me at night when we were little.

Get hot at night with all the covers. Maybe thats a good sign. My toes

were freezing all day the other day but decided, since its below zero now,

perhaps I should wear more than tennis shoes when outside. The heavy boots

are hard to walk in but I heard Lobbins are really good so I am going to

check that out. Its getting arctic up here now so I am adjusting to that.

Have been taking my thyroid stuff again too. Also taking this stuff as a

cleansing tool that is marketed as an inch loss product so maybe its revving

my metabolism. Anyway - I still love cold shakes just cause they are so

good and I like to just eat fruit before noon for cleansing reasons. Kind

of a mini cleanse every day. I'm so use to it I don't get the weight loss

benefits I use to though. You know I love to drink the frozen water (as it

melts obviously) from leaving water bottles in the van. Nothing like ice

cold water. I never thought about all this kind of stuff before. I

actually ran hot for over a year one time when I was trying to withdraw off

of Elavil. Ran a low grade temperature for a year!! That was weird.

Developed a lot of problems from being on that - but it sure helped me

sleep. Was supposed to help me deal with chronic pain. Still recommended

for FMS today, but I am now a glaucoma suspect and I heard that it is known

to cause intraocular pressure changes in people. Scary. Sorry to ramble.

Jeanie

> From: " aikya " <aikya@...>

>

> Well, some of us like me are desperately trying to develop more energy so

we

> can have a life. We might choose not to give the body the extra work.

>

> Also I think that, after 50 (I am 55), this means a lot more. I notice

that

> younger people consume iced drinks, ice cream, etc. without much problem.

> But older folks somehow figure out that the arthritis doesn't bother them

as

> much, they're not as nervous, they're not up in the night to go potty as

> much, if they have something warm and avoid the cold stuff. I noticed it

> the other day walking past a construction site at break time. All the

young

> guys had carbonated sodas. All the older guys had hot steaming cups of

> something or other.

>

> Pardon my typos.

>

> Aikya

> Re: Multiple answers

> > >

> > >

> > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

problems

> > have

> > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> that

> > > bad?

> > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> fruit

> > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

hot

> > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything

> but

> > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

icy

> > cold

> > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> > > Maybe

> > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before

> you

> > > go

> > > > to

> > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I

> know

> > > if

> > > > I

> > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

and

> > keep

> > > > your

> > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

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True Tom - but, of course, its easy for you to say that down there in sunny

Florida. Thats an interesting thought though. If it raises your

metabolism - thats a good thing right? Guess some of our metabolisms don't

work right. I know Aikya - you sound like you have that problem. Do you

take anything for your thyroid aside from eating kelp, etc? I take a

wonderful supplement that brought me up to normal in a short time after

being told by Doctors for a year that I needed to be taking Synthroid (and

refusing). I brought it up oh so slowly by taking kelp and then it

corrected itself in a few weeks with this stuff called T-100. I am going to

have to start buying a substitute for my frozen peaches. Where you at in FL

Tom? I have friends and family there and my husband grew up there near Boca

Raton. Jeanie

> From: " tkobzina " <tkobzina@...>

>

> Aikya,

> You wrote:. " But for sure anything cold, out of the refrigerator,

> would be cooling to the cody [sic] temp. "

> Since cold liquids and food tend to lower the body temperature and the

body

> compensates for this by raising its metabolism, it would seem that their

> body-temperature lowering effect would be only temporary.

> Tom, in Florida

>

>

> Re: Multiple answers

> >

> >

> > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid problems

> have

> > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

that

> > bad?

> > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

fruit

> > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very hot

> > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything

but

> > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an icy

> cold

> > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> > Maybe

> > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before

you

> > go

> > > to

> > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I

know

> > if

> > > I

> > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary and

> keep

> > > your

> > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > >

> > > > Pam

> > > >

> > > > >

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what exactly is t-100. Is this an herb or a drug that was prescribed by

your doctor?

> Re: Multiple answers

>

> From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

>

> True Tom - but, of course, its easy for you to say that down there in

> sunny

> Florida. Thats an interesting thought though. If it raises your

> metabolism - thats a good thing right? Guess some of our metabolisms

> don't

> work right. I know Aikya - you sound like you have that problem. Do you

> take anything for your thyroid aside from eating kelp, etc? I take a

> wonderful supplement that brought me up to normal in a short time after

> being told by Doctors for a year that I needed to be taking Synthroid (and

> refusing). I brought it up oh so slowly by taking kelp and then it

> corrected itself in a few weeks with this stuff called T-100. I am going

> to

> have to start buying a substitute for my frozen peaches. Where you at in

> FL

> Tom? I have friends and family there and my husband grew up there near

> Boca

> Raton. Jeanie

>

> > From: " tkobzina " <tkobzina@...>

> >

> > Aikya,

> > You wrote:. " But for sure anything cold, out of the refrigerator,

> > would be cooling to the cody [sic] temp. "

> > Since cold liquids and food tend to lower the body temperature and the

> body

> > compensates for this by raising its metabolism, it would seem that their

> > body-temperature lowering effect would be only temporary.

> > Tom, in Florida

> >

> >

> > Re: Multiple answers

> > >

> > >

> > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > have

> > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> that

> > > bad?

> > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> fruit

> > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything

> but

> > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > cold

> > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> > > Maybe

> > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before

> you

> > > go

> > > > to

> > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I

> know

> > > if

> > > > I

> > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > keep

> > > > your

> > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

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For my sleepy thyroid I've been following the diet. When I added

deglyccerized (sp?) licorice, it seemed nice for the adrenals which partner

with the thyroid in being quite wierd. I was taking a kept supplement. I

recently read in Balch's book that I could be taking 10 kelp tablets a day;

I was only taking 1! I increased slowly...to 1 with each meal for a

week...then two with each meal. Next week I'll be up to 10. I read

somewhere that the thyroid responds to the levels of estrogen and

progesterone in the body and that sometimes. a small amount of progesterone

helps. Shaking in my shoes, I tried a progesterone cream from the health

food store, KAL's Natural Progesterone. It says to rub a certain amount 3

times a day. Since I'm postmenopause I thought that might be overkill. I

did it twice a day for 4 days, once a day yesterday. It makes me fall asleep

at 7 PM. I may go to once a day for a while. Falling asleep so early, even

though I wake up again, isn't my idea of life. 7 to 9 PM is the time the

sexual organs do whatever they do everyday. Did you know each organ has its

time of day to get active? It's fascinating. You can kinda tell what's

struggling by when you feel tired.

Your supplement sounds pretty terrific. Thanks for giving the ingredients

and the name and how you get it.

Last time my thyroid was off I was on macrobiotics. The practitioner told

me the seeweed would enable my thyroid to become normal. It did work

although it took a while. Even folks on the thyroid list associated with

D'Adamo's website say their naturopathic remedy made in New Zealand takes at

least 2 months to kick in.

I'm just about at 2 months on the diet and this am my axillary temp was

normal. I expect that it will waver..go down and then go up again. We

shall see.

Aikya

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> > >

> > >

> > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

problems

> > have

> > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> that

> > > bad?

> > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> fruit

> > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

hot

> > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating anything

> but

> > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

icy

> > cold

> > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that mimic

> > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start school.

> > > Maybe

> > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea before

> you

> > > go

> > > > to

> > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside. I

> know

> > > if

> > > > I

> > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

and

> > keep

> > > > your

> > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

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In a message dated 11/06/1999 3:25:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,

jverner@... writes:

<< From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

Thank you Robin. I am sitting under a full spectrum light bulb right now -

but could use all the prayers I can get. We all could I'm sure. Jeanie >>

You know that is a good idea. I am going to say a quick prayer for all of

our list each day that we will all become more healthy and will continue to

support each other in our quest for good health and well being. For any of

you that are so inclined, I invite you to join me in contacting whatever

higher power or spiritual support in your life. If anyone is offend by this,

just post to the list that you do not wish to be included.

Pam

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Aikya - your dilligence is inspirational. I am going to WA state next week

for a week all by myself for a Drs. appt. (courtesy of the army) and am

thinking it will be good for me. It will be good to get out of this frigid

place too. These 4 months Nov. through Feb. are rough here in Fairbanks,

AK. I've been having a hard time lately. It will be a challenge to stick

with the diet. I am going to accept the fact that I may not entirely - but

plan to do a cleanse after Thanksgiving when I get back and then try real

hard to be good during the Holiday season. If I mess up I guess I will do

another cleanse. Hard to slow down enough to do that though. Enjoy your

trip. Jeanie

> From: " aikya " <aikya@...>

>

> For my sleepy thyroid I've been following the diet. When I added

> deglyccerized (sp?) licorice, it seemed nice for the adrenals which

partner

> with the thyroid in being quite wierd. I was taking a kept supplement. I

> recently read in Balch's book that I could be taking 10 kelp tablets a

day;

> I was only taking 1! I increased slowly...to 1 with each meal for a

> week...then two with each meal. Next week I'll be up to 10. I read

> somewhere that the thyroid responds to the levels of estrogen and

> progesterone in the body and that sometimes. a small amount of

progesterone

> helps. Shaking in my shoes, I tried a progesterone cream from the health

> food store, KAL's Natural Progesterone. It says to rub a certain amount 3

> times a day. Since I'm postmenopause I thought that might be overkill. I

> did it twice a day for 4 days, once a day yesterday. It makes me fall

asleep

> at 7 PM. I may go to once a day for a while. Falling asleep so early,

even

> though I wake up again, isn't my idea of life. 7 to 9 PM is the time the

> sexual organs do whatever they do everyday. Did you know each organ has

its

> time of day to get active? It's fascinating. You can kinda tell what's

> struggling by when you feel tired.

>

> Your supplement sounds pretty terrific. Thanks for giving the ingredients

> and the name and how you get it.

>

> Last time my thyroid was off I was on macrobiotics. The practitioner told

> me the seeweed would enable my thyroid to become normal. It did work

> although it took a while. Even folks on the thyroid list associated with

> D'Adamo's website say their naturopathic remedy made in New Zealand takes

at

> least 2 months to kick in.

>

> I'm just about at 2 months on the diet and this am my axillary temp was

> normal. I expect that it will waver..go down and then go up again. We

> shall see.

>

> Aikya

>

> Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Thank you Robin. I am sitting under a full spectrum light bulb right now -

but could use all the prayers I can get. We all could I'm sure. Jeanie

Re: Multiple answers

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> >> problems

> >> > > have

> >> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that.

> Is

> >> > that

> >> > > > bad?

> >> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice

> cold

> >> > fruit

> >> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a

> very

> >> hot

> >> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

> >anything

> >> > but

> >> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on

an

> >> icy

> >> > > cold

> >> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

> >mimic

> >> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

> >school.

> >> > > > Maybe

> >> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

> >before

> >> > you

> >> > > > go

> >> > > > > to

> >> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up

inside.

> >I

> >> > know

> >> > > > if

> >> > > > > I

> >> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if

necessary

> >> and

> >> > > keep

> >> > > > > your

> >> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Pam

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

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i think it is also important that you get adequate light. ask your dr. for

a perscription for the depression lamp...its a certain kind of light that

you sit under for a few minutes every day and is equal to the sunshine that

we need to keep depression away and lots of other good benefits too.

especially living where there is so little sunlight , you are a good

candidate for it.

take care,

you are in my prayers.

robin

Re: Multiple answers

>From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

>

>Aikya - your dilligence is inspirational. I am going to WA state next week

>for a week all by myself for a Drs. appt. (courtesy of the army) and am

>thinking it will be good for me. It will be good to get out of this frigid

>place too. These 4 months Nov. through Feb. are rough here in Fairbanks,

>AK. I've been having a hard time lately. It will be a challenge to stick

>with the diet. I am going to accept the fact that I may not entirely - but

>plan to do a cleanse after Thanksgiving when I get back and then try real

>hard to be good during the Holiday season. If I mess up I guess I will do

>another cleanse. Hard to slow down enough to do that though. Enjoy your

>trip. Jeanie

>

>> From: " aikya " <aikya@...>

>>

>> For my sleepy thyroid I've been following the diet. When I added

>> deglyccerized (sp?) licorice, it seemed nice for the adrenals which

>partner

>> with the thyroid in being quite wierd. I was taking a kept supplement. I

>> recently read in Balch's book that I could be taking 10 kelp tablets a

>day;

>> I was only taking 1! I increased slowly...to 1 with each meal for a

>> week...then two with each meal. Next week I'll be up to 10. I read

>> somewhere that the thyroid responds to the levels of estrogen and

>> progesterone in the body and that sometimes. a small amount of

>progesterone

>> helps. Shaking in my shoes, I tried a progesterone cream from the health

>> food store, KAL's Natural Progesterone. It says to rub a certain amount

3

>> times a day. Since I'm postmenopause I thought that might be overkill.

I

>> did it twice a day for 4 days, once a day yesterday. It makes me fall

>asleep

>> at 7 PM. I may go to once a day for a while. Falling asleep so early,

>even

>> though I wake up again, isn't my idea of life. 7 to 9 PM is the time the

>> sexual organs do whatever they do everyday. Did you know each organ has

>its

>> time of day to get active? It's fascinating. You can kinda tell what's

>> struggling by when you feel tired.

>>

>> Your supplement sounds pretty terrific. Thanks for giving the

ingredients

>> and the name and how you get it.

>>

>> Last time my thyroid was off I was on macrobiotics. The practitioner

told

>> me the seeweed would enable my thyroid to become normal. It did work

>> although it took a while. Even folks on the thyroid list associated with

>> D'Adamo's website say their naturopathic remedy made in New Zealand takes

>at

>> least 2 months to kick in.

>>

>> I'm just about at 2 months on the diet and this am my axillary temp was

>> normal. I expect that it will waver..go down and then go up again. We

>> shall see.

>>

>> Aikya

>>

>> Re: Multiple answers

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

>> problems

>> > > have

>> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that.

Is

>> > that

>> > > > bad?

>> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice

cold

>> > fruit

>> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a

very

>> hot

>> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

>anything

>> > but

>> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

>> icy

>> > > cold

>> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

>mimic

>> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

>school.

>> > > > Maybe

>> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

>> > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

>before

>> > you

>> > > > go

>> > > > > to

>> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

>I

>> > know

>> > > > if

>> > > > > I

>> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

>> and

>> > > keep

>> > > > > your

>> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > Pam

>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > >

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Hi Aikya,

Why are you taking deglycyrrhizinated licorice?

The form you are taking is for treating ulcers.

If you are trying to treat a sluggish adrenal gland you do not want to

remove the glycrrhizin.

Licorice mimics the catabolic hormone, cortisol.

So if you have low cortisol levels--which can be tested for--you may want to

try the licorice. If you have symptoms of the effects of excessive

stress--allergies, chronic fatigue, asthma, arthritis and hypoglycemia--its

worth trying.

Tom, in Florida

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Both - Licorice is a many faceted herb. Jeanie

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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I read too that licorice was being used for arthritic conditions....and yet my

health food store manager said it is for stomach problems. She never heard of

it used for arthritis. So which is it guys? Licorice is good for arthritis?

stomach problems? or both?

Thanks,

Debbie

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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----Okay Tom, What do you take for a sluggish adrenal gland?

- Original Message -----

From: tkobzina

onelist

Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 7:32 AM

Subject: Re: Multiple answers

From: " tkobzina " <tkobzina@...>

Hi Aikya,

Why are you taking deglycyrrhizinated licorice?

The form you are taking is for treating ulcers.

If you are trying to treat a sluggish adrenal gland you do not want to

remove the glycrrhizin.

Licorice mimics the catabolic hormone, cortisol.

So if you have low cortisol levels--which can be tested for--you may want to

try the licorice. If you have symptoms of the effects of excessive

stress--allergies, chronic fatigue, asthma, arthritis and hypoglycemia--its

worth trying.

Tom, in Florida

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Hi Debbie,

The catabolic hormone, cortisol, is produced in response to stress. Arthritis

and some types of ulcers are both stress-related. Take licorice, which mimics

cortisol, to help offset some of the damaging effects of chronic stress, such as

sluggish adrenal output that has produced the problems I mentioned previously.

You would take a minimum dose of it only if you have low cortisol levels and

only for brief periods of time. Alternately, you may take DHEA or Pregnenolone,

both anabolic hormones.

Aikya should have her adrenals checked before treating hypothyroidism because

the symptoms are similar and treatment of the thyroid problem may cause the

adrenal problem to worsen.

For ulcers, take deglycyrrhizinated licorice if your cortisol levels are normal

or high. The glycrrhizin in licorice can result in water retention,

hypertension, and low potassium levels.

Tom, in Florida

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that. Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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thank you tom for all the info.

Re: Multiple answers

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > From: " jverner " <jverner@...>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks again Pam. I am wondering - what does having thyroid

> problems

> > > have

> > > > > to do with eating cold stuff? A couple of you mentioned that.

Is

> > that

> > > > bad?

> > > > > I know I am crazy - but every morning for breakfast I eat ice

cold

> > fruit

> > > > > shakes or smoothies. Some mornings I get so cold I go take a

very

> hot

> > > > > shower afterward. I love them though and don't like eating

anything

> > but

> > > > > fruit in the morning. Nothing like an ice cold fruit shake on

an

> icy

> > > cold

> > > > > Alaskan morning!!! I got some special light bulbs today that

mimic

> > > > > sunlight. Gonna sit under them every morning while we start

school.

> > > > Maybe

> > > > > it will help me get going and not get the winter blues. Jeanie

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope you are feeling better too. Try a bit of hot herb tea

before

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > to

> > > > > > bed with a dollop of honey. At least you will warm up inside.

I

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am cold I ache so much more. So wear sweats to be if

necessary

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > your

> > > > > > head warm too. Take care.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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