Hand sanitizers don't work on everything

[Guest guest]

Ok. But do alcohol based hand sanitizers differ in their dilution?

Is one brand better than another?

And is a 1:10 bleach solution ok for general use on surfaces or would

a stronger dilution be better? It should at least be better than

commercial cleansers such as Lysol sells.

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> Hand sanitizers don't work on everything. Hand washing with soap

and water is always preferred to hand sanitizers.

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> The article didn't say what the bleach-water dilution is. I know

that 1:10 works for disinfecting surfaces; pehaps a stronger dilution

would be needed for this parasite.

[Guest guest]

when you have bleech on your hands, it smells for hours.

So I wondered whether it is also effective against viruses for hours ?

Someone wrote that Alcohole was less effective at concentrations higher than 80%

but then this couldn't be verified

Alcohole with citric and/or malic acid was said to protect the skin for 3 hours

against cold viruses

[Guest guest]

I really don't know what the dilution factor for hand sanitizers is. The germ killing power is alcohol, not bleach, based. I think one's as good as the other.

Yes, a stronger bleach-water dilution would probably be more effective; but the problem in finding just the right dilution so that the bleach doesn't irritate the skin. Bleach is chlorine based and can cause some serious problems if it's not watered down. Also chlorine fumes are somewhat toxic.

Do one thing every day that scares you.

Eleanor Roosevelt

From: Lee <jackalope_lepus@...>Subject: [Flu] Hand sanitizers don't work on everythingFlu Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 10:27 PM

Ok. But do alcohol based hand sanitizers differ in their dilution? Is one brand better than another?And is a 1:10 bleach solution ok for general use on surfaces or woulda stronger dilution be better? It should at least be better thancommercial cleansers such as Lysol sells.>> Hand sanitizers don't work on everything. Hand washing with soapand water is always preferred to hand sanitizers.> > The article didn't say what the bleach-water dilution is. I knowthat 1:10 works for disinfecting surfaces; pehaps a stronger dilutionwould be needed for this parasite.

[Guest guest]

Hi , Ok. Thanks very much.

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> I really don't know what the dilution factor for hand sanitizers

is. The germ killing power is alcohol, not bleach, based. I think

one's as good as the other.

>

> Yes, a stronger bleach-water dilution would probably be more

effective; but the problem in finding just the right dilution so that

the bleach doesn't irritate the skin. Bleach is chlorine based and

can cause some serious problems if it's not watered down. Also

chlorine fumes are somewhat toxic.

>

>

> Do one thing every day that scares you.

> Eleanor Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

I am sure that 's Law of Diminishing Returns applies to the

killing power of alcohol and of bleach in separate solutions.

Alcohol with citric acid would protect the skin? Lemon juice would

give it a nice smell too!

What dilution of water, ethanol, and lemon juice do you suggest?

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> when you have bleech on your hands, it smells for hours.

> So I wondered whether it is also effective against viruses for hours

>

> Someone wrote that Alcohole was less effective at concentrations

higher than 80% but then this couldn't be verified

>

> Alcohole with citric and/or malic acid was said to protect the skin

for 3 hours against cold viruses

[Guest guest]

There are actually several types of bleach. So-called " chlorine

bleach " actually contains sodium hypochlorite and you don't get

chlorine from it unless you mix it with acid, which you should

definitely not do because chlorine is quite toxic.

The other most common type of bleach is called oxygen bleach and it

contains hydrogen peroxide or a peroxide-releasing compound such as

sodium perborate or sodium percarbonate. There are numerous other

kinds of bleach but they all work by oxidization.

Simce they are all sold mostly to whiten fabrics, they don't usually

contain instructions for topical use. but maybe someone has done a

study of this.

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> > I really don't know what the dilution factor for hand sanitizers

> is. The germ killing power is alcohol, not bleach, based. I think

> one's as good as the other.

> >

> > Yes, a stronger bleach-water dilution would probably be more

> effective; but the problem in finding just the right dilution so that

> the bleach doesn't irritate the skin. Bleach is chlorine based and

> can cause some serious problems if it's not watered down. Also

> chlorine fumes are somewhat toxic.

> >

> >

> > Do one thing every day that scares you.

> > Eleanor Roosevelt

>

[Guest guest]

I really don't know; but I don't think that the lingering smell has much to do with it. And after using bleach with bare hands you should always wash with soap and water so that the skin doesn't get all irritated. Irritated skin is like a welcome sign to passing germs.

I've not seen the reasearch on alcohol, so I will trust your word in that one.

Do one thing every day that scares you.

Eleanor Roosevelt

From: sterten@... <sterten@...>Subject: Re: [Flu] Hand sanitizers don't work on everythingFlu Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:44 PM

when you have bleech on your hands, it smells for hours.

So I wondered whether it is also effective against viruses for hours ?

Someone wrote that Alcohole was less effective at concentrations higher than 80%

but then this couldn't be verified

Alcohole with citric and/or malic acid was said to protect the skin for 3 hours

against cold viruses