Re: need milk for calcium?

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That info is in LR4YT. The " normal " range is 3.5 to 5.5, so you're

trying to keep it in a pretty tight window between 3.5 to 4.0. Dr.

D'Adamo considers high normal to be not so normal but an indication

of polyamine toxicity. Anything above 4.8 you should really work on

more seriously. Mine hovers right around 4.0, 3.8 the best reading

I've had since on BTD.

> > > I had written in a post you must have missed, wondering if

having

> a

> > > healthy oil with skim milk would bring it up to the same

level as

> > > whole milk. That sounds reasonable to me.

> >

> > I did see that post, but did not comment as I had already

mentioned

> I

> > take a teaspoon of olive oil five times a day with each

meal/snack.

> >

> > It seems there are more issues with milk than digestibility.

What

> > concerns me is to know about any aspect that would be bad for my

> health.

> > I'm not worried about details like digestibility, it's a non-

issue

> in my

> > case, and I'm not worried about weight gain issues as that also

is

> minor

> > and controllable, nor about supposed gut irritation as I have

none

> of that.

> > What would concern me is some kind of reaction that messed

up my

> > immune system or some other hidden aspect. I'd then want to know

> how and

> > why at a chemical detail level so I can figure out whether I can

> counter

> > it with a suitable supplement or other approach that interrupts

the

> > metabolic pathway of harm or compensates for it in some way.

> >

> > I get the impression D'Adamo has done a lot of research - but

where

> is

> > it? Most researchers publish in a medical journal or somewhere

and

> then

> > it gets into the medical library - but there is no listing of

> D'Adamo in

> > there - not even one little paragraph.

> > Does he keep it a secret?

> > I'd like to read it.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > IRene

> > --

> > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> > P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

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> > Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 9/2/2004 8:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

Okay I'll try that - but my fill is a lot right now - I must be low on

something.

Not for long (if you eat protein).

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> Belinda wrote:

> >

> >>>There is plenty of research that shows that corn strips

> >>

> > calcium

>

> > It's in Dr D'Adamo's books. He includes footnotes.

>

> Dear Belinda, Please can you name a book and chapter or page -

I went

> through LR4YT cover to cover including all the refs without

finding

> anything.

I'm trying to find it. I have all the books and don't remember

which one it was in. If anyone else finds it first . . .

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Maddviking@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/2004 3:46:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> furryboots@... writes:

> But I am VERY hungry doing it - and I get the

> feeling it should not be that way.

> E-A-T M-O-R-E R-E-D M-E-A-T. More protein will fill you up. Don't worry

> about portions. Eat your fill.

Okay I'll try that - but my fill is a lot right now - I must be low on

something. What I am in the mood for is a good ol' braaivleis - South

Africa's answer to the barbecue - it involves pigging out on steak and

lamb chops off the braai all night :-)) Accompanied by watermelon,

guavas and grenadilla.

My braai was half a 40 gallon drum cut in half lengthways, on a

stand with wheels and a grill on it, rooikrans wood for fuel, holds a

nice lot of grub. Maybe also a fresh snoek caught off the boat on the

grill too.

Some good red wine to sip - it's the best in the world in the Cape

down there - according to the French, who know :-)) (And according to

me; though I have yet to import some good Hartenberg shiraz.) Gingerbeer

for anyone who is really thirsty (Home made with ginger and lemon and

yeast to add fizz.)

Plus roasted marshmallows and Irish coffee for dessert.

Happens to all be O-compliant except maybe the dessert. Might have to

have Cadbury's Royal Dark Chocolate and mulled (hot spiced) wine instead :-)

Anyone coming?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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E. Andersen wrote:

> Irene, nobody is laughing at your healthproblems.

" Like Max said: You just wanna have milk, LOL. "

sure fooled me :-)

Thanks for the change around.

> The BTD advocates to be close to 100 % compliant in order to help along

> with the issues.

I do understand this, and so I was compliant for 2 weeks, 100%

compliant. It was at that point I realized that the NEW health problems

due to using the diet were unacceptable for me. I added back the one

thing needed to:

a. Balance the unbalanced diet.

b. Undo the damage done by the BTD for me.

c. Prevent further damage.

Now I am looking at the diet in proper detail to see where I can carry

on where D'Adamo left off, so as to balance and complete the diet for my

use.

As it stands, BTD for type O is a partial solution not a balanced diet.

I am looking for the rest of the solution.

> Many of us are taking Dr. D's Phytocal for calciumsupps, sure helps

> me with my legcramps and I assume is good for my bones besides. I mean,

> what have you got to loose to just try it for a while.

I'm very fussy what supplements I take. I try as hard as possible to get

things from food and not supplements. Supplements are certainly

necessary in some cases but I do not like to accept a diet that requires

the *majority* of a major nutrient to be absent from the diet and only

obtainable from supplements.

We are not smart enough to know the long-term consequences of

supplementing a major nutrient and omitting it from food. Food is there

for a reason - to feed us what we need - all or close to all of what we

need. A supplement is supposed to mean a little extra boost not the main

deal.

You only have to look at the research of 20 years ago to see how much we

have learned about what is needed to absorb which and how important it

is to get this at the same meal as that etc - and we are scratching the

surface of nutrient interactions, and metabolic interactions. BTD people

should see that faster than average I would think :-))

There is nothing to suggest a calcium supplement is an okay thing to

do instead of taking it in food. How do we know what is supposed to be

with it that we do not know about yet?

In my case, I have a kidney defect that does not handle any medications

at all and dislikes many supplements too. So I have to be especially

careful. And I choose not to take the unknown risk associated with

supplementing practically all my calcium food instead of getting a large

proportion of it in the food where it belongs.

I do supplement calcium anyway due to cushing's syndrome destroying

bone. So far my osteoporosis tests are showing I am keeping my bone in

reasonable condition. Unlike the vast majority of cushings patients I

have not broken a rib from just a cough. I plan to continue that. I

can't let a " fully compliant " version of O diet change that for me. My

masses of skim milk intake the past few years is why I have bones where

most do not. Without a good calcium food substitute I would be foolish

to drop milk.

> Am wondering if

> the calcium tabs taken at the same time would buffer your potassium intake ?

Unfortunately not. I do take calcium, magnesium and potassium all

together as it happens, but the potassium is nasty stuff that takes for

ever to dissolve. So it sits and burns worse than aspirin. The rule is

to take it with 2 cups of water minimum but water is not an answer - you

need it yes - but you need more than that. Milk seems to do something -

I do not know what - but it is protective somehow. I have to take the

loads of potassium (equivalent of 30 capsules of the kind you buy

without prescription) five separate times - so it is a fairly large

nuisance, the worst time being just before bed time.

I've tried experiments in the kitchen to see if I can get it dissolved

before taking it so as to take it liquid - but that is not so easy and

it is supposed to be absorbed slowly anyway. I do try to put it in my

food instead of salt and that helps with some of it - but not at bedtime.

However - even if I could overcome the potassium burnout issue - that

still leaves the calcium issue :-))

The O diet needs to be completed and to include all the nutrients for

health. It's not there yet - maybe between us all we can find a way.

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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Tamara Tornado wrote:

> I just can't believe that milk is necessary for calcium when so many

> traditional cultures all over the world never used milk.

> Chinese, Japanese, large parts of Africa, Native Americans... etc...

> They were all fine without milk for thousands of years.

I'd also like to know how they managed. But " fine " may be the wrong

word. We know they lived a short life span, and that they had stunted

size compared with modern man. Japanese folk on average are still

smaller than cultures who use a lot of milk.

Maybe they crush bones and eat them? Also egg shells are calcium.

Also - How do we know they did not use milk? Is it not logical to do so?

In Africa the nomadic tribes have Afrikaander cattle, and they produce

milk - why would they not drink it?

Seems odd?

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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In a message dated 10/21/2004 10:35:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mtownsend29@... writes:

Not a researched factor, but for thousands of years people did not live

nearly as long as we do now.

Wait a sec. That was true for the ones that were eaten, run over by

charriots, starved to death, or born after man started messing with the food

supply

10,000 years ago but many of those who were fed properly and not eaten by

dinosaurs lived to be quite old. I believe it was Ramses the second (or maybe

first) of Egypt who lived well into his eighties and had over a hundred

children.

The Egyptian upper classes ate red meat, vegetables, bone marrow, and honey

and drank beer and wine. Even today their vegetables are huge, nutritious and

delicious. The minerals from the Nile floods are a real life giver. It was

also not unusual for Roman aristocrats to live a long life well beyond sixty if

they weren't beheaded. Some Eastern American Indians lived to be quite old

and had strong bones and teeth until Europeans introduced them to corn and

sweets. Maybe part of it is because they didn't have modern medicine to kill

them.--LOL.

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Not a researched factor, but for thousands of years people did not live nearly

as long as we do now. So perhaps a factor for needing more calcium than you can

get in a diet is that we are not living a " natural " length of time?

Hugs, Michele

Re: need milk for calcium?

I just can't believe that milk is necessary for calcium when so many

traditional cultures all over the world never used milk.

Chinese, Japanese, large parts of Africa, Native Americans... etc...

They were all fine without milk for thousands of years.

- T

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Maddviking@... wrote: I believe it was Ramses the second (or maybe

> first) of Egypt who lived well into his eighties

yeah and some oke who went by Methuselah?

> and had over a hundred children.

Geez, and I tought two teenagers was bad :-))

> The Egyptian upper classes ate red meat, vegetables, bone marrow, and honey

> and drank beer and wine. Even today their vegetables are huge, nutritious and

> delicious. The minerals from the Nile floods are a real life giver. It was

> also not unusual for Roman aristocrats to live a long life well beyond sixty

if

> they weren't beheaded. Some Eastern American Indians lived to be quite old

> and had strong bones and teeth until Europeans introduced them to corn and

> sweets. Maybe part of it is because they didn't have modern medicine to kill

> them.--LOL.

Absolutely - modern medicine introduced chronic diseases and those

shorten one's life :-))

Even more than 100 teenagers at a time. Those would have provided ways

to get good exercise?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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In a message dated 10/22/2004 1:35:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

furryboots@... writes:

Geez, and I thought two teenagers was bad :-))

Wasn't it the First Emperor of China who had the clock invented so he'd spend

equal time with each of his dozens of wives? I'm sure he had a few teenage

issues too. I think he also traveled all over his country offering a reward

for the elixir of immortality and, as a result, many cures and potions for many

diseases were discovered.