Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

[Guest guest]

Lots of info to discuss. I'll start with a bit of a caution. I don't

know how much EPA & DHA are in each capsule, but 15 in a day seems high.

Health store grade fish oil does remove some contaminants such as PCBs,

but is only recommended in low to moderate dosages. At high dosages the

Omega-3 effect is more than offset by the contaminants.

If you want high dosages of Omega-3 use pharmaceutical-grade fish oil.

It takes 100 gallons of " Kirkland " brand type fish oil to produce one

gallon of pharmaceutical-grade fish oil. Only two companies currently

produce pharmaceutical-grade fish oil, Omegabrite (www.omegabrite.com

<http://www.omegabrite.com/> ) and Dr. Barry Sears (www.searslabs.com

<http://www.searslabs.com/> ) . I prefer Dr. Sears' brand as it has

more DHA than the Omegabrite does.

It seems you want to achieve a maximum benefit from Omega-3's

Personally I think the purity of the pharmaceutical grade fish oil

provides this better than any other single source or any combination of

sources. Feel free to reply with any questions.

Tom

O, Non-Secretor

Fish Oil Dose Question

Hi,

I got some Kirkland fish oil capsules, and I began taking it.

I weigh 150, and was planning to take 15 caps a day [5 at each of 3

meals].

If I eat fish every day and get Omega 3 from grass fed beefalo and

DHA Gold eggs, would I still need to take 15 caps of fish oil daily,

or could I take less?

I've got symptoms of Omega 3 deficiency [eczema, depression,

anxiety, etc].

I also take 1 tbs. of flaxseed oil daily. I was taking 2 tbs. of it

but reduced it now that I'm taking fish oil capsules.

I also take 2 tbs. of fresh ground flaxseed daily.

Thanks for any input.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Tom,

I appreciate the input.

Dr. Mercola and http://krispin.com

both recommend 1 capsule of 180 EPA / 120 DHA fish oil per 10 pounds

of body weight daily.

Dr. Mercola recommends the Kirkland brand, and I thought it would be

very good quality. Kirkland are 180 EPA / 120 DHA also [per capsule].

How many of the Omegabrite capsules are recommended?

I'm not sure if I can afford many more supplements.

I'm draining the heck out

of my savings account.

I haven't worked in a long time and

I've been trying to improve my health.

Best wishes,

Joe

[Guest guest]

One way to know if you are taking too much is: when it starts to repeat on

you.

Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Tom,

I appreciate the input.

Dr. Mercola and http://krispin.com

both recommend 1 capsule of 180 EPA / 120 DHA fish oil per 10 pounds

of body weight daily.

Dr. Mercola recommends the Kirkland brand, and I thought it would be

very good quality. Kirkland are 180 EPA / 120 DHA also [per capsule].

How many of the Omegabrite capsules are recommended?

I'm not sure if I can afford many more supplements.

I'm draining the heck out

of my savings account.

I haven't worked in a long time and

I've been trying to improve my health.

Best wishes,

Joe

[Guest guest]

If he is recommending a 180/120 you won't want the Omegabrite.

Omegabrite is a 7:1 EPA/DHA ratio and he is recommending a 1.5:1 ratio.

I prefer a simple 2:1 ratio, much closer to the 1.5:1 ratio you're

looking to achieve. Dr. Sears pharmaceutical grade fish oil is 200 EPA

& 100 DHA per capsule. I pay$21 for a bottle of 60 capsules. Remember

the potency of the pharmaceutical-grade fish oil is vastly superior to

Kirkland's " health store-grade. " This means you will experience much

better effects for the same dosage. I had always taken fish oil as a

good idea, but never realy knew what difference it made. This first and

second day I took the pharmaceutical grade the difference was

immediately noticeable. It's the optimal and for the most part only

necessary supplement of Omega 3. I still add milled flaxseed to my

smoothies, but that is more for the fiber than the Omega 3s.

I know Dr. Sears is setting up a program where your discounts on his

pharmaceutical-grade fish oil increase (meaning you pay less) as you

refer others. It's a legitimate way of protecting the product he sells

by keeping it off of retail shelves while giving benefits to those who

have family and friends who purchase it from them. That might be a way

to help lower your costs.

Just try it for two weeks.

Also, for improving your health listen to and the other posters

on this board. They are right on the money on their advice. If you're

an O, don't harm yourself doing so, but exercise every chance you get.

It's free and it will make as big a difference in your body chemistry as

will the fish oil. :-)

Tom

O, Non-Secretor

Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Tom,

I appreciate the input.

Dr. Mercola and http://krispin.com

both recommend 1 capsule of 180 EPA / 120 DHA fish oil per 10 pounds

of body weight daily.

Dr. Mercola recommends the Kirkland brand, and I thought it would be

very good quality. Kirkland are 180 EPA / 120 DHA also [per capsule].

How many of the Omegabrite capsules are recommended?

I'm not sure if I can afford many more supplements.

I'm draining the heck out

of my savings account.

I haven't worked in a long time and

I've been trying to improve my health.

Best wishes,

Joe

[Guest guest]

Tom and others

This discussion on fish oil is interesting. I recently read a book called " The

Fats we Need to Eat " by Jeannettte Ewin. She goes on to decribe the

relationship between omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. She said that when fish

oil is administered on its own (with no GLA supplements) then your DGLA levels

will fall because of the inhibition of conversion from linoleic acid to GLA

resulting from competition by the omega-3 fatty acids. When omega-3 and omega-6

fatty acids are combined competition by the omega-3 fatty acids inhibits

metabolism of the omega-6 molecules. Therefore, unless you supplement with GLA

(in the form of evening primrose oil) you can increase the risk of other health

disorders such as heart disease. The answer appears to rest in the fact that,

while the omega-3 fatty acids block the conversion of linoleic acid to GLA, and

DGLA to AA (arachidonic acid which is a bad eicosanoid) they do not appear to

affect the conversion of GLA to DGLA. By administering adequate doeses of GLA

along with the fish oil, there is no drop in DGLA but the AA from DGLA is

blocked. This fits perfectly with what Dr Sears describes in the Zone diet. The

question therefore is how much GLA should one take with the fish oil and what

are the corrects ratio's of EPA, DHA and GLA. ?? can anyone help.

Regards

Stidolph.

> If he is recommending a 180/120 you won't want the Omegabrite.

> Omegabrite is a 7:1 EPA/DHA ratio and he is recommending a 1.5:1 ratio.

> I prefer a simple 2:1 ratio, much closer to the 1.5:1 ratio you're

> looking to

achieve

[Guest guest]

I searched at DrSears.com and found this straight from Barry Sears:

" I feel that the average person should not take more than 1-2 mg. of GLA

per day. On the other hand, the average person should take between 1-2

grams of EPA per day. To put this perspective, one borage oil capsule

contains 240 mg. of GLA, which is a massive amount. Since GLA can be

converted into arachidonic acid, I don't recommend supplementation with

it. On the other hand, you would have to consume 6-12 capsules of fish

to achieve those recommended levels of EPA. Oatmeal remains the best

food source for small doses of GLA, and a single serving of salmon would

provide the recommended levels of EPA. "

Sounds like he recommends just 1 - 2mg of GLA. I believe the body can

create small amounts of GLA so there is less need to supplement it than

to supplement EPA.

RE: Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Tom and others

This discussion on fish oil is interesting. I recently read a book

called " The

Fats we Need to Eat " by Jeannettte Ewin. She goes on to decribe the

relationship between omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. She said that

when fish

oil is administered on its own (with no GLA supplements) then your DGLA

levels

will fall because of the inhibition of conversion from linoleic acid to

GLA

resulting from competition by the omega-3 fatty acids. When omega-3 and

omega-6

fatty acids are combined competition by the omega-3 fatty acids inhibits

metabolism of the omega-6 molecules. Therefore, unless you supplement

with GLA

(in the form of evening primrose oil) you can increase the risk of other

health

disorders such as heart disease. The answer appears to rest in the fact

that,

while the omega-3 fatty acids block the conversion of linoleic acid to

GLA, and

DGLA to AA (arachidonic acid which is a bad eicosanoid) they do not

appear to

affect the conversion of GLA to DGLA. By administering adequate doeses

of GLA

along with the fish oil, there is no drop in DGLA but the AA from DGLA

is

blocked. This fits perfectly with what Dr Sears describes in the Zone

diet. The

question therefore is how much GLA should one take with the fish oil and

what

are the corrects ratio's of EPA, DHA and GLA. ?? can anyone help.

Regards

Stidolph.

> If he is recommending a 180/120 you won't want the Omegabrite.

> Omegabrite is a 7:1 EPA/DHA ratio and he is recommending a 1.5:1

ratio.

> I prefer a simple 2:1 ratio, much closer to the 1.5:1 ratio you're

> looking to

achieve

[Guest guest]

Here's another interesting post. Sounds like Dr. Sears

Pharmaceutical-Grade Fish Oil capsules will soon have the 1 - 2 mg

supplement of GLA added to them. Here is another quote from Dr. Sears

himself:

" You really can't (find GLA supplements in the 1 - 2 mg amount). Sears

Labs will be bringing out a pharmaceutical-grade fish oil capsule that

contains those limited amounts of GLA. Any higher levels would likely

spillover into arachidonic acid thus increasing the production of " bad "

eicosanoids. Check the drsears.com homepage for upcoming information on

these pharmaceutical-grade fish oil/GLA products. "

RE: Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Tom and others

This discussion on fish oil is interesting. I recently read a book

called " The

Fats we Need to Eat " by Jeannettte Ewin. She goes on to decribe the

relationship between omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. She said that

when fish

oil is administered on its own (with no GLA supplements) then your DGLA

levels

will fall because of the inhibition of conversion from linoleic acid to

GLA

resulting from competition by the omega-3 fatty acids. When omega-3 and

omega-6

fatty acids are combined competition by the omega-3 fatty acids inhibits

metabolism of the omega-6 molecules. Therefore, unless you supplement

with GLA

(in the form of evening primrose oil) you can increase the risk of other

health

disorders such as heart disease. The answer appears to rest in the fact

that,

while the omega-3 fatty acids block the conversion of linoleic acid to

GLA, and

DGLA to AA (arachidonic acid which is a bad eicosanoid) they do not

appear to

affect the conversion of GLA to DGLA. By administering adequate doeses

of GLA

along with the fish oil, there is no drop in DGLA but the AA from DGLA

is

blocked. This fits perfectly with what Dr Sears describes in the Zone

diet. The

question therefore is how much GLA should one take with the fish oil and

what

are the corrects ratio's of EPA, DHA and GLA. ?? can anyone help.

Regards

Stidolph.

> If he is recommending a 180/120 you won't want the Omegabrite.

> Omegabrite is a 7:1 EPA/DHA ratio and he is recommending a 1.5:1

ratio.

> I prefer a simple 2:1 ratio, much closer to the 1.5:1 ratio you're

> looking to

achieve

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

All this can get very confusing. I think that perhaps the best way

to effectively correct or improve the Omega 3/6 body ratio is to

focus on dietary sources : fish, grass fed bovine, wild game, DHA Gold

eggs, flaxseed oil, ground fresh flaxseed, green vegetables,

etc.

It may take a while to do, but avoiding grain fed beef [even organic

as well as farm raised fish] might be a good idea too - to avoid

foods with a high ratio iof Omega 6 / 3 fats.

Cheerz :-)

Joe R.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. I know the farm-raised salmon do not eat plankton to the

same degree as the wild salmon and this diminishes the quality and

quantity of their EPA to the degree that I'm comfortable saying that 1

oz of farmed salmon is not equal to 1 oz of wild salmon.

Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

All this can get very confusing. I think that perhaps the best way

to effectively correct or improve the Omega 3/6 body ratio is to

focus on dietary sources : fish, grass fed bovine, wild game, DHA Gold

eggs, flaxseed oil, ground fresh flaxseed, green vegetables,

etc.

It may take a while to do, but avoiding grain fed beef [even organic

as well as farm raised fish] might be a good idea too - to avoid

foods with a high ratio iof Omega 6 / 3 fats.

Cheerz :-)

Joe R.

[Guest guest]

Exactly, well said. Too many vested interests in the " alternative " health

industry out for a big profit just like the other big corporates. " GOD "

food is the only way to go.

Re: Fish Oil Dose Question

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

All this can get very confusing. I think that perhaps the best way

to effectively correct or improve the Omega 3/6 body ratio is to

focus on dietary sources : fish, grass fed bovine, wild game, DHA Gold

eggs, flaxseed oil, ground fresh flaxseed, green vegetables,

etc.

It may take a while to do, but avoiding grain fed beef [even organic

as well as farm raised fish] might be a good idea too - to avoid

foods with a high ratio iof Omega 6 / 3 fats.

Cheerz :-)

Joe R.